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IRC Log for 2016-10-19

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[2:04] <- *johnavp1989* To prove that you are human, please enter the result of 8+3
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[2:12] <- *johnavp1989* To prove that you are human, please enter the result of 8+3
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[3:00] <tessier> Where can I find a good explanation of what pgs backfill_wait, pgs backfilling, pgs degraded, etc. all mean? All the stuff in ceph -w or ceph status etc. I've read tons of ceph docs but still haven't seen a good explanation of that anywhere.
[3:01] <tessier> I've been jerking around my test cluster before someday taking it prod and it's hopefully recovering right now. Just wondering if any of this stuff is serious or if it will clear itself up.
[3:05] <tessier> http://docs.ceph.com/docs/master/rados/operations/pg-states/ seems to have most of it
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[8:56] <AlbertR> I started creating pg command "ceph pg force_create_pg 2.1ab". For several days he was creating, and nothing happens to him. Is it possible to restore it as the? http://pastebin.com/LaikzgxD
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[9:11] <sadziu> are all OSDs ok?
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[9:15] <AlbertR> yes, but Yes, but few osd have been replaced and 1 pgs remained inactive after the restoration. Now he is in the state of creating but nothing happens to him.
[9:16] <AlbertR> I have nothing to do with him, because he does not have pgid
[9:17] <sadziu> can you share 'ceph health detail' for this cluster?
[9:19] <AlbertR> yes, http://pastebin.com/hwCuC0Cj
[9:21] <sadziu> pool size is 2 ?
[9:21] <AlbertR> yes
[9:22] <sadziu> what is the min_size ?
[9:22] <sadziu> you mentioned that two OSD were removed, which one, osd.31 ?
[9:23] <sadziu> two => few
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[9:24] <AlbertR> were removed 39 and 40 osd, now they are still missing
[9:25] <sadziu> can you share also ceph osd tree
[9:26] <AlbertR> min_size = 1
[9:27] <AlbertR> osd tree http://pastebin.com/w0rw3yMK
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[9:44] <AlbertR> sadziu, no ideas?
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[9:46] <sadziu> don't see anything wrong, did you marked those OSDs as lost ?
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[9:49] <AlbertR> I remove them out of the cluster and crushmap, then was rebalancing and left alone inactive pgs
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[9:52] <sadziu> ok, can you try: ceph osd lost OSD_ID
[9:52] <sadziu> it might not work as those are already removed from crushmap
[9:52] <boolman> is it possible to limit the recovery bandwidth ?
[9:53] <boolman> my cluster just recovered in 25GB/s which caused some minor hickups. my config is osd max backfills = 2 , osd recovery threads = 1
[9:54] <AlbertR> sadziu, yes, i done it and got "osd.39 is not down or doesn't exist"
[9:54] <sadziu> boolman, check osd_recovery_max_active, recovery it's not backfill
[9:55] <boolman> sadziu: in this case I added a node, so this was a backfill
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[9:56] <sadziu> boolman, you can play with 'osd backfill scan min/max'
[9:56] <AlbertR> how can I ever way to remove all the information in this cluster of pgs? data loss is not critical.
[9:58] <sadziu> AlbertR, what's wrong with osd.2 and osd.13, they report slow requests?
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[9:59] <sadziu> and osd.2 is primary for that PG which should be created
[9:59] <AlbertR> Nothing happens to them in addition to rebalancing
[10:00] <sadziu> can you do: ceph --admin-daemon PATH_TO_OSD_ASOK_FILE perf dump | grep -A2 throttle-osd_client_messages
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[10:07] <jonas1> Hello everyone, i just have question regarding PG calculation, i'm relatively new to ceph and i was wondering what the general idea was in terms of calculating the maximum PG count when having multiple pools. Should one distribute the PGs calculated for your cluster amongst the needed pools, or should one calculate PGs on a per pool basis? Hypothetically, if i have a cluster with 100 OSDs, and a
[10:07] <jonas1> replica size of 3, using the general formula, should i distribute the 4096 PGs(Closest power of two) across the pools, or do some more calculations? Sorry to bother you with what i reckon is a trivial question. Just got a bit unsure. Thanks :-)
[10:10] <AlbertR> sadziu, http://pastebin.com/C6g8cFk7
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[10:16] <sadziu> AlbertR, did you tried just to restart osd.2 ?
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[10:17] <AlbertR> yes, i tried restart osd , then i tried restart all cluster, no result
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[10:45] <sadziu> AlbertR, no idea how ti fix this, force_create_pg should work, if it doesn't then you take OSD offline, and using ceph-objectstore-tool check if that PG has been created in OSD store and eventually mark it as complete
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[10:56] <sep> does anyone know how to identify "the offending shard" ? https://www.spinics.net/lists/ceph-users/msg31558.html now i have 4 osd's that crash regularly with this same error.
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[11:33] <nwe> hello, a question, why should I map multiple disk to osd-X osd-Y etc.. instead of using raid 0 ? I have 6 ssd 750GB
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[11:34] <nwe> what is the winning with osd-x -> sda vs raid0 -> osd
[11:34] <nwe> ?
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[12:59] <pam> Hello, has someone experience with having a cluster which has two different subnets for cluster network? From what I see in the documentation this should be possible {ip-address}/{netmask} [, {ip-address}/{netmask}]
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[13:09] <sadziu> pam, hi, yes, I do have
[13:10] <pam> sadziu: is it working well?
[13:10] <sep> what do you gain with that configuration
[13:11] <pam> we have a cluster which is spread across to datacenters and we have to use different subnets in each dc
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[13:13] <sadziu> pam, it's working, we haven't seen any negative effects (we use this due to our DC/network setup not related to ceph itself)
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[13:14] <pam> sadziu: thats good :-)... and what about the public network?
[13:14] <sadziu> we also have multiple subnets, no problems in this side too
[13:15] <pam> top!
[13:15] <pam> thanks for the info
[13:16] <pam> one little question, hon the hosts you have also set special routes for the traffic to take the right path?
[13:16] <pam> or only added the subnets into the ceph.conf?
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[13:21] <nwe> hellom I asked a question earlier this morning , but was disconnected.. What I wondering is why should not use raid for my 6 * 750 GB instaed of map one disk to one osd? we are using as it block devices..
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[13:22] <sadziu> pam, you need to add routes for cluster network subnets so packets are routed properly
[13:23] <pam> ok
[13:23] <sadziu> you have separate link for public/cluster network ?
[13:23] <pam> I thought so
[13:25] <sadziu> ok
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[13:29] <bc2946088> nwe, using raid and ceph would add a layer of complexity without benefit from what I can tell. I've had disks fail in raids, and i've had disks fail in ceph. I most certainly prefer the later when it comes to fixing.
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[13:29] <pam> sadziu: yes we have that
[13:30] <sadziu> pam, then it makes sense to configure public and cluster network
[13:31] <nwe> bc2946088: why is it more complexity with raid?
[13:31] <nwe> wouldnt it be easier if I using raid? then I only get 1 osd instaed of 6.
[13:32] <sadziu> nwe, raid1, raid5/6 ?
[13:32] <nwe> sadziu: raid0 on OSD
[13:33] <Jeeves_> nwe: one osd only gives ceph one chance to fix your data
[13:33] <sadziu> nwe, this is wrong choice, loosing one disk you'll have to rebuild data stored on all six
[13:33] <Jeeves_> Oh, that's incorrect. Zero chances
[13:34] <nwe> Jeeves_: I have 4 machines
[13:34] <bc2946088> If you had 3 nodes, each with 1 osd with a raid of 6 disks, you could manage it. However, I don't see why you would want to. It's easy to add OSDs, so 6 vs 1 has no benefit.
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[13:36] <Jeeves_> nwe: Whats the benefit of raid?
[13:36] <T1> nwe: you just don't do it like that with ceph
[13:36] <T1> eod
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[13:36] <T1> if you go with ceph, do it like recommended or you are on your own
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[13:38] <nwe> Jeeves_: my work mate has setup one cluster with that configuration I will setup a new one and I has read _never_ use raid with ceph
[13:38] <nwe> and he says why dont use raid it will be easier for you to fix it if 1 disk die..
[13:38] <bc2946088> If one of the disks fails in your raid, you lose 33% (assuming you have 3 raids, each with 6 disks). If you had 18 OSDs and one fails, you lose 5%. This is extremely simplified, but it demonstrates a point.
[13:39] <T1> whtn your coworker is an idiot that doesn't understand ceph
[13:39] <T1> well then even
[13:39] <T1> it's really really simple
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[13:39] <T1> do not use raid for OSDs unless you know what you are doing
[13:39] <nwe> I will setup it as you says, and he says it will be more network traffic
[13:41] <nwe> thanks alot for all help :) I will do as I think :)
[13:41] <T1> good.. :)
[13:41] <T1> just as a joke..
[13:41] <T1> try and yank a few of your coworkers disks in that raid 0
[13:42] <T1> two in two different OSDs
[13:42] <ledgr> How do I best debug increased apply latency? System load, network bandwidth, packets per seconds, memory consumption is pretty much unchanged, but apply_latency 100x
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[13:42] <T1> that will probably cause IO to grind to a halt in that cluster unles min_copies is set to 1
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[13:43] <T1> all data will now only live on the last OSD
[13:44] <T1> and a copy of all data from that one OSD will have to be copied to the other two OSDs causing up to 2x 6x 750GB (assuming that size of drives) to go over the network
[13:45] <T1> if.. on the other hand you had one physical disk for one OSD that would just have caused up to 2x 750GB of data to be copied across all 3 machines
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[13:46] <T1> .. while the other backfill operation would see all data come from one single node which would result in slower recovery due to double load on the network etc etc etc..
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[14:30] <sadziu> ledgr, ceph --admin-daemon PATH_TO_OSD_ASOK dump_ops_in_flight and check where are your ops spending most of the time
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[19:36] <rkeene> Building Ceph 10.2.3 with "make" causes Ceph to run "make -j", which kills my machine :-(
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[19:48] <IcePic> what if you give it -j1 yourself?
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[21:26] <diver> does anyone know how big bluestore wal and db should be?
[21:26] <diver> and how to monitor their usage?
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[21:37] <diver> with block=2000GB\wal=12GB\db=6GB
[21:37] <diver> ceph cluster stopped accepting new data with 1M objects placed
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[22:15] <diver> ha!
[22:15] <diver> found source of the problem
[22:15] <diver> lack of free space on the one of the OSD servers for logs
[22:16] <diver> so / partition got 0GB free
[22:16] <diver> and everything freezed up
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[23:59] <blizzow> I have a an rbd image mounted in a VM and a local disk on the VM. When I try and rsync from the rbd image filesystem to the local disk, I'm getting 30MB/sec speed :( The rbd image is attached as a virtio-scsi disk with writeback cache. What else should I be looking at to get decent read speeds out of my cluster?

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