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IRC Log for 2016-10-17

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[0:37] <- *johnavp1989* To prove that you are human, please enter the result of 8+3
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[7:17] <batman> hi, all
[7:18] <batman> i have some question about debian/ubuntu repository, can anybody help me?
[7:20] <batman> somebody?
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[9:21] <peetaur2> batman: just ask
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[9:30] <batman> where i can find working repo for debian/ubuntu?
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[9:32] <batman> for jewel version
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[9:32] <peetaur2> the ubuntu trusty jewel version works for me
[9:32] <peetaur2> also debian jessie worked for me ... but I found that debian wheezy didn't have jewel (but trusty or jessie version likely works there)
[9:33] <batman> i i was try debian jessie and xenial. doesn't work
[9:34] <batman> ceph-deploy
[9:34] <peetaur2> echo 'deb https://download.ceph.com/debian-jewel/ trusty main' > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ceph.list && apt-get update && apt-cache policy ceph
[9:35] <batman> 11:33 batmani have some question about debian/ubuntu repository, can anybody help me?
[9:35] <batman> 11:35 batmanif i try install ceph via ceph-deploy i get error message
[9:35] <batman> 11:35 batman[alahd-ceph1-ext][WARNIN] E: Package 'ceph-osd' has no installation candidate
[9:35] <batman> 11:35 batman[alahd-ceph1-ext][WARNIN] E: Unable to locate package ceph-mon
[9:35] <batman> 11:35 batman[alahd-ceph1-ext][ERROR ] RuntimeError: command returned non-zero exit status: 100
[9:35] <batman> 11:35 batman[ceph_deploy][ERROR ] RuntimeError: Failed to execute command: env DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive DEBIAN_PRIORITY=critical apt-get --assume-yes -q --no-install-recommends install -o Dpkg::Options::=--force-confnew ceph-osd ceph-mds ceph-mon radosgw
[9:35] <batman> 11:37 batmanand if i check in repository what's pack exist, i get answer
[9:35] <batman> 11:37 batmanroot@alahd-ceph1-ext:/ceph# apt-cache policy ceph-osd-dbg
[9:35] <batman> 11:37 batmanceph-osd-dbg:
[9:35] <batman> 11:37 batman Installed: (none)
[9:35] <batman> 11:37 batman Candidate: 10.1.2-1~bpo80+1
[9:35] <batman> 11:37 batman Version table:
[9:35] <batman> 11:37 batman 10.1.2-1~bpo80+1 0
[9:35] <batman> 11:37 batman 999 https://download.ceph.com/debian-jewel/ jessie/main amd64 Packages
[9:35] <batman> 11:37 batmanroot@alahd-ceph1-ext:/ceph# apt-cache policy ceph-osd
[9:35] <batman> 11:37 batmanceph-osd:
[9:35] * garphy`aw is now known as garphy
[9:35] <batman> 11:37 batman Installed: (none)
[9:35] <batman> 11:37 batman Candidate: (none)
[9:35] <peetaur2> never paste more than 3 lines in irc unless some specific channel policy is different
[9:35] <batman> 11:37 batman Version table:
[9:36] <batman> root@alahd-ceph1-ext:/ceph# cat /etc/debian_version
[9:36] <batman> 8.6
[9:36] <batman> root@alahd-ceph1-ext:/ceph# cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ceph.list
[9:36] <batman> deb http://download.ceph.com/debian-jewel/ jessie main
[9:36] <batman> root@alahd-ceph1-ext:/ceph# apt-get update > /dev/null
[9:36] <batman> root@alahd-ceph1-ext:/ceph# apt-cache policy ceph
[9:36] <batman> ceph:
[9:36] <batman> Installed: 0.94.9-1~bpo80+1
[9:36] <batman> Candidate: 0.94.9-1~bpo80+1
[9:36] <batman> Version table:
[9:36] <batman> *** 0.94.9-1~bpo80+1 0
[9:36] <batman> 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[9:36] <batman> 0.80.7-2+deb8u1 0
[9:36] <batman> 500 http://mirror.neolabs.kz/debian/ jessie/main amd64 Packages
[9:36] <batman> sorry, i don't know it
[9:36] <peetaur2> your check is not related to your error.... you checked ceph-osd-dbg but the error was about ceph-osd and ceph-mon
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[9:37] <mistur> batman: please ton paste here, use pastebin like website
[9:37] <batman> i check ceph-osd too - apt-cache policy ceph-osd
[9:38] <batman> Candidate: (none)
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[9:40] <peetaur2> in the trusty repo, I see these 2 packages though
[9:40] <peetaur2> I geuss try installing ceph packages manually
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[9:40] <peetaur2> or update ceph-deploy
[9:41] <batman> and something interesting - if i use ceph-deploy version 1.5.25 (repo, by default ceph.com). it's work, but if i use ceph-deploy version 1.5.30 and more - don't work
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[9:42] <peetaur2> heh..so newer fails. sounds bugged :)
[9:43] <batman> i have install ceph-deploy
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[9:45] <batman> `Get:4 http://ceph.com jessie/main` - repo from ceph-deploy installation output
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[9:46] <peetaur2> I would expect download.ceph.com rather than ceph.com
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[9:47] <batman> i too
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[9:47] <batman> but
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[9:48] <batman> i check ceph.com url (which i see before and it's don't work), and wft, sorry...
[9:50] <peetaur2> well I found a few problems with ceph-deploy... and then found it was easy to do manually (and easy enough with puppet), so I avoid it :P
[9:50] <peetaur2> so if you don't really need it, just do it manually
[9:50] <peetaur2> you can do some steps with it, and some without
[9:50] <trololo> hi
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[9:51] <T1w> (some with ceph-deploy, some by hand)
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[9:54] <trololo> peetaur2: i read you have spotted ceph performance issue when mon disk perf are low, i've currently osd apply latency far higher than commit latency and i have to check if the problem comes from this kind of monitor disk bottleneck. do you have some links/pointers toward explanation this behaviours ?
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[10:02] <batman> every package need wget manually and install too, gentoo stile
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[10:10] <peetaur2> trololo: dunno what you're talking about. I just told someone that if they moved their mon disk storage to the network, maybe it will become a bottleneck
[10:11] <peetaur2> days aog
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[10:19] <Jeeves_> Q: Can anyone tell me how I can rebalance the OSD-usage? If have one OSD at 86% usage, another at 52%.
[10:19] <Jeeves_> I'd like to have it more evenly balanced
[10:20] <peetaur2> you can probably lower the crush weight a bit on that disk, but it can create *lots* of io, and not sure what the proper way to deal with it is
[10:23] <Jeeves_> Yeah, I don't have the feeling that thats very efficient indeed
[10:25] <Jeeves_> If it goes beyond 95% the cluster pauses, right?
[10:29] <Jeeves_> ceph osd reweight-by-utilization ?
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[10:39] <peetaur2> Jeeves_: hopefully that does it gradually or it'll create lots of load
[10:39] <peetaur2> and nice find...didn't know that existed
[10:39] <Jeeves_> Prolly the last. And I don't like deviating from defaults
[10:40] <Jeeves_> I could also create more pgs and have it more evenly balanced. But I did that last week on this cluster, and that only helped a little bit
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[10:49] <trololo> peetaur2: thanks, i missed the context :)
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[11:25] <rmart04> Hi guys, Whilst rbd show mapped is very useful. does anyone know how to change the /dev/rbd0(1/2/3) identifier in Ubuntu?
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[11:26] <T1w> afaik it just takes the next available number when mounting up
[11:27] <T1w> you should not use absolute device numbering for anything anyway
[11:27] <T1w> mount the device, get the UUID and refer to it in fstab instead
[11:28] <rmart04> OK thanks for the info
[11:29] <T1w> get uuid from running "blkid" as root
[11:32] <T1w> if you use absolute numbering you are inf or a rough ride - if any previously referenced device is unavailable at mount time (or it failed to mount for whatever reason) or you add a new entry into /etc/ceph/rbdmap before any of the existing ones you will have problems..
[11:32] <T1w> in for a even
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[12:00] <rmart04> OK, thats useful to know.
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[12:11] <walcubi> I think I've found a ceph bug.
[12:11] <walcubi> ceph health detail = HEALTH_OK
[12:11] <walcubi> ceph logs = osd.22 [ERR] OSD full dropping all updates 100% full
[12:12] <walcubi> The OSD is a perfectly healthy dead person.
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[12:23] <doppelgrau> walcubi: does the cluster stay healthy if you try to write to a pg on that osd?
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[12:29] <Jeeves_> rmart04: ls -la /dev/rbd/rbd/urbackup
[12:30] <walcubi> doppelgrau, yes
[12:32] <doppelgrau> walcubi: yeah, looks like a bug then, except it dou diled the config values (full/nearfull ) to 100%
[12:32] <rmart04> @Jeeves, I???d seen that, but I didnt think it acted teh same as /dev/rbd*. That subdir splits the disk partitions out
[12:32] <walcubi> Infact, now it's in a HEALTH_WARN. The *other* osd on that server is having slow requests. :-)
[12:32] <rmart04> into -parts
[12:32] <doppelgrau> (or since ceph now runs as normal user: to any value equal or lager the amount ceph can write)
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[12:34] <walcubi> doppelgrau, config values are the defaults.
[12:34] <walcubi> Could also be that btrfs is in a full-but-not-really-full state.
[12:35] <Jeeves_> https://p.6core.net/p/QXfdU7SHWV9qTngsHWhCM6tK
[12:35] <Jeeves_> rmart04: It's a symlink
[12:35] <walcubi> 100% is allocated, and metadata can't create any more inodes. But there is 120GB unused on the data block.
[12:36] <doppelgrau> an oher reason why I don???t like btrfs for osds :)
[12:36] <Jeeves_> Can anybody explain why I shouldn't have about 2TB available in the cluster mentioned in: https://p.6core.net/p/QXfdU7SHWV9qTngsHWhCM6tK ?
[12:37] <walcubi> doppelgrau, I blame xfs for being a terrible filesystem.
[12:39] <doppelgrau> walcubi: I don???t really love it, but since I use it for ceph/osds it has been simply and very boring working - and in my infrastructure I do not like to many adventures :D
[12:39] <peetaur2> Jeeves_: is size=2?
[12:39] <Jeeves_> Yes
[12:40] <peetaur2> then I estimate that max avail should say almost 2131
[12:40] <Jeeves_> Yes, me too.
[12:40] <peetaur2> (11142/2-3440)
[12:41] <doppelgrau> uneven distribution in the tree?
[12:41] <Jeeves_> doppelgrau: There is some, yes.
[12:41] <peetaur2> and dunno if that makes sense, but matches what I see... avail 10268G, size 33517G, used 850G, size 3
[12:41] <Jeeves_> How does that matter?
[12:42] <doppelgrau> depending on size and crush rules???
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[12:44] <Jeeves_> doppelgrau: size = 2 crush is fairly simple/default
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[12:45] <Jeeves_> Is one of the OSD's excluded from being 'available' because it is near full?
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[13:14] <rmart04> @jeeves, so it is! Ill give it another bash then, last time I tried mapping a xen device to it, it didnt want to know!
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[13:19] <rmart04> @jeeves, yes thats working fine this time! Glad you got me to revisit it, thanks!
[13:19] <rmart04> solves my problem entirely!
[13:20] <Jeeves_> yw :)
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[13:43] <peetaur2> are the ceph repos broken, or what am I doing wrong...any machine where I add a sources.list.d file has no 10.2.3 available, and on old machines where I have 10.2.3, apt-cache policy says /var/lib/dpkg/status instead of the repo detail
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[13:52] <llua> it was mentioned 2 days or so ago
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[13:54] <peetaur2> heh oh
[13:55] <peetaur2> so....wget and dpkg -i then?
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[13:59] <llua> there may be working mirrors, not sure. i don't use debian-like systems.
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[15:10] <georgem> peetaur2: use http://ceph.mirror.iweb.ca
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[15:13] <- *johnavp1989* To prove that you are human, please enter the result of 8+3
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[15:56] <rmart04> Does anyone happen to know if its possible to manage permissions more granulally than keys and pools? I.E RBD Images / against IP addresses or keys?
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[16:09] <Jeeves_> ceph auth get-or-create client.libvirt mon 'allow r' osd 'allow class-read object_prefix rbd_children, allow rwx pool=rbd'
[16:10] <Jeeves_> That seems to implicate that you can limit per pool
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[16:37] <rmart04> Yes, I was kinda hoping there was an option for allow rxw pool=rbd image=myimage
[16:37] <rmart04> but seemingly not
[16:37] <rmart04> or to limit a connection from a source IP
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[16:39] <dillaman> rmart04: no built-in support for something like that -- if you only needed it for a handful of images you could create rules to that effect, but I wouldn't recommend it (speed-wise) for lots of images since all ops would need to get authorized against a large caps list
[16:40] <dillaman> rmart04: we do hope to add namespace support to librbd in the future, so that could be an alternative
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[16:51] <bbert> Hi. Apologies if this topic has been discussed to death. I'm interested in using only erasure coded pools (no replication pools other than a cache tier) with Ceph FS. My usage pattern is infrequent sequential reads and writes (around 50/50), with individual files mostly being in the 1GB to 100GB range. The data that's most recently added is the data that's likely to be read next, and data that's more than a few tens of writes old is read
[16:51] <bbert> only on the order of 2-3 times per year. Space efficiency is most important, with speed of access being secondary. Is using only erasure coded pools for this a sane thing? And what kind of read latency should I expect when reading a 100GB file that's not already in the cache tier?
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[17:01] <mistur> bbert: I'm sure if you can use EC pool for cephfs without cache tier
[17:01] <mistur> bbert: I guess it's like rbd but I'm 100% sure
[17:03] <bbert> mistur: you mean you're *not* 100% sure?
[17:03] <mistur> bbert: and in all bench I did on EC pool (behind a radosgw s3) I got -40% of throughput
[17:04] <mistur> bbert: oops yes I'm *not* 100% sure
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[17:04] <bbert> mistur: throughput is totally secondary. I only have 1Gbit link to clients, but many drives in the pools and several pools
[17:04] <mistur> ok
[17:05] <mistur> here I use k=8 m=2 but for a radosgw pool
[17:06] <bbert> mistur: and in my scenario, the client can wait, but can't really handle high I/O latency... in other words... if ceph has to transfer the entire file to the cache tier before feeding it to the ceph fs client, that won't work
[17:06] <mistur> I don't use cache tier (yet)
[17:06] <bbert> mistur: I was looking at a k=10 m=4 configuration...
[17:07] <mistur> so I'm not aware about cache tier policy
[17:07] <bbert> my understanding was that it was needed w/ ceph fs... but you say you're using rbd w/ erasure coding?
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[17:08] <mistur> no rbd, radosgw (s3)
[17:08] <mistur> all tests I did with rbd was in replicate
[17:08] <mistur> I use EC only behinf the radosgw
[17:08] <mistur> behind*
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[17:09] <mistur> I don't have enough strong SSD to set a cache tier
[17:09] <dillaman> bbert: EC pools are not directly supported by RBD/CephFS at the moment. RBD will be gaining support hopefully in the Kraken release. As mistur indicated, you would require a replicated cache tier to use EC pools
[17:09] <bbert> ahh, yes. radosgw is supported w/ ec. rbd isn't without cache tier, as the cache tier is used to decode the ec
[17:09] <dillaman> bbert: RGW supports EC pools nativelyt
[17:09] <bbert> dillaman: right
[17:10] <mistur> (my ssd are not good for journal too :( )
[17:10] <dillaman> bbert: it's more about that fact that the EC pool doesn't currently support overwrite operations which are important for RBD/CephFS
[17:11] <mistur> bbert: take care of the SSD you choose for the cache tier (if you want SSD if course)
[17:11] <bbert> dillaman: of course. would expect overwriting/partial writes are needed for fs support
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[17:12] <mistur> bbert: specialy the TBW value
[17:13] <mistur> we have 400GB Intel S3500 DC, the TBW is too low to be use as journal
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[17:27] <bbert> So, my real question remains: Does the access latency for the client increase dramatically when reading a file that is only in the backing tier because it needs to first be fully transferred to the cahce tier?
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[17:59] <aarontc_> bbert: yes, the latency increases by several orders of magnitude in my experience
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[21:32] <Dominik_H> jeeves_: never tried osd reweight-by-ultilization .. is it safe to use and how much io will it produce ?
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[21:48] <ledgr> Is it normal to have 99% of data in cache pool? I have over 300GB in cache tier, and less than 1GB in data pool
[21:48] <ledgr> that's odd
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[22:07] <T1> seems like the cache pool is large enough to hold all but 1GB
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[22:15] <Jeeves_> Dominik_H: I assume it's safe, and it will pretty much rebalance about 100% of your data.
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