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IRC Log for 2016-09-10

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[0:29] <dack> how do i make a crush map that would spread the replicas evenly across 2 hosts. for example, in 2 hosts + 4 replicas = 2 replicas per host. 2 hosts+2 replicas= 1 replica per host
[0:30] <dack> if i do "step chooseleaf firstn 0 type host", then that will fail if num_replicas>num_hosts
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[0:42] <dack> in other words, how do i spread the replicas evenly across hosts when num_replicas>num_hosts?
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[0:50] <dack> only idea i can think of right now is adding another layer of buckets between the host and osd levels, to divide up the disks. seems a bit arbitrary though.
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[1:31] <FidoNet> hi
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[2:17] <smiley> I used the latest ceph-deploy to add an osd...it turns out the latest version does not work with Hammer and so the 2 osd that I added are showing up in 'ceph osd tree' but not in the crushmap...and I am not sure what I should do to get things in order again.
[2:18] <smiley> The osd is listed as up and in..but ir does not show up in the crush map...and only the osd (not the host) is listed in 'ceph osd tree'
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[2:21] <dack> smiley - you should be able to just "ceph rm osd.x" and "ceph auth rm osd.x" to get rid of it
[2:22] <smiley> should I unmount it on the host first?
[2:22] <dack> yeah, you can out/unmount it first
[2:23] <smiley> ok...would you mind looking at this: http://pastebin.com/PMk3xZ0a
[2:23] <dack> this is all assuming you want to remove that OSD completely of course
[2:23] <smiley> that is the osd tree
[2:23] <smiley> osd 108 is listed...but there is no host entry listed...like all the other osds
[2:23] <dack> you could also just edit the crush map to assign it to a host
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[2:24] <smiley> ok...it is not currently in the crush map at all...I didn't want to edit it if that is not what I was supposed to do...I think I will try that first
[2:25] <dack> yeah just rm the osd and it's auth, and then you can recreate it. you'll probably also have to zap the disk to get rid of the old partition.
[2:26] <smiley> ok thank you
[2:26] <smiley> trying that now
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[3:05] <smiley> what is the command to add an osd to the default crushmap..assuming this is a new osd on a new host?
[3:06] <smiley> I tired this: root@hqceph1:/usr/local/ceph-deploy-new# ceph osd crush set osd.108 0 pool=default rack=unknownrack host=hqosd10
[3:06] <smiley> but I got an error: Error ENOENT: unable to set item id 108 name 'osd.108' weight 0 at location {host=hqosd10,pool=default,rack=unknownrack}: does not exist
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[3:44] <FidoNet> I???m having some real problems getting a lab setup ???. 2 NICs on board .. no matter what I do ceph always binds to the public IP .. even though I have the subnets defined in ceph.conf / etc ???
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[5:00] <FidoNet> ooh think I might have finally beaten it into submission! :)
[5:03] <FidoNet> although seems to be stuck/degraded for an awfully long time :(
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[10:49] <smiley> is 'ceph pg repair' always safe to run?
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[11:07] <doppelgrau_> smiley: depends on your definition of safe
[11:09] <doppelgrau_> smiley: should not destroy your cluster, but might overwrite the ???good??? copies with the corrupted data
[11:09] <smiley> after adding a new osd I have 1 pg that is stuck
[11:10] <smiley> pg 3.371 is stuck inactive for 3196.397178, current state activating+remapped, last acting [98,85] pg 3.371 is stuck unclean for 27756.670897, current state activating+remapped, last acting [98,85]
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[11:10] <doppelgrau_> repair won???t help
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[11:10] <smiley> ok
[11:11] <smiley> here is the output from 'pg query' : http://pastebin.com/scPiDrNy
[11:11] <smiley> any suggestions?
[11:12] <smiley> osd #108 is the osd I just added last night
[11:13] <smiley> I have tired restarting osds 85,95 and 108
[11:13] <doppelgrau> smiley: restart that osd once?
[11:14] <smiley> yes i have tried resting all 3 of the osd's listed there
[11:14] <smiley> *restarting
[11:14] <doppelgrau> one of the three OSDs are in a bad internal state I???d guess, else the acrivationg would have finished
[11:14] <doppelgrau> no change?
[11:15] <smiley> nope..nothing.
[11:15] <doppelgrau> other PGs on these OSDs?
[11:15] <smiley> only 1 pg is 'stuck'
[11:15] <doppelgrau> (to rule out some strange network issues between these osds)
[11:16] <smiley> http://pastebin.com/QMjNJi8s there is the output of 'ceph -s'
[11:18] <smiley> ceph-deploy did not add the new osd to the crushmap as it has done for all the other 108 osd's so I set the weights by hand this time around...any chance this is some odd crush issue?
[11:19] <doppelgrau> might, but with 3000 PGs I???d expect mre PGs to be affected
[11:21] <smiley> ok
[11:25] <doppelgrau> but just to be sure, test the network between 98 and 108
[11:25] <doppelgrau> also with large packets if you use big MTUs
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[11:26] <smiley> ok let me 2x the switch config incase there is a config issue or issue with MTU's not matching up
[11:27] <smiley> since we did just add the host that osd 108 is on
[11:27] <smiley> both host and osd are new
[11:27] <smiley> to the cluster
[11:28] <smiley> thanks for your help thus far!
[11:28] <doppelgrau> ping -f -l 8000 <host of osd 108>
[11:28] <doppelgrau> from the host with osd 98
[11:28] <doppelgrau> pings 8k Pakets with the dont fragment bit set
[11:29] <doppelgrau> sorry, windows syntax
[11:29] <doppelgrau> ping -M do -s 8000 <host of osd 108>
[11:31] <smiley> ok checking now
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[11:38] <smiley> I got this when trying to run that ping command: ping: local error: Message too long, mtu=1500
[11:39] <doppelgrau> other osds same mtu?
[11:39] <smiley> we are not using jumbo frames...we tried that when we first setup the cluster...we ran into some issues I think
[11:40] <doppelgrau> ok, that we can rule out that as a prolem
[11:40] <smiley> I am going to look at the switch...we are using lacp...so mtu is set on switch
[11:41] <smiley> I did see that the two servers in question did not have host entries for each other...I assume ip addresses are used instead of hostnames in most cases...is that correct or no?
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[11:41] <smiley> I added the entries to each of the /etc/hosts file just in case though
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[12:39] <doppelgrau> BTW: has anyone an idea when 10.2.3 will be released? Have to reboot some parts of the cluster in the near future and could like to vombine both
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[12:43] <nikbor> is it normal to have jbd2 threads after i have unmapped an ext4 sitting atop rbd device/
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[22:52] <FidoNet> hi ??? is there anyone about that can clarify a network topoligy / bandwidth / io question I have setting all of this up as a ???first time??? user (concepts re lan separation / security / where do I put the 10 gig nics / etc)
[22:52] <FidoNet> topology even *sigh* :)
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[22:57] <doppelgrau> FidoNet: what are your problems/questions?
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[22:58] <FidoNet> trying to get my head around the concept of separation ??? do clients talk directly to the OSD or is that ???proxied??? through the monitor ???. ? ie do I just put 10 Gig NICs in the OSDs or do I need them in the mons too ?
[22:58] <FidoNet> also the MDS ?
[22:59] <doppelgrau> client = rados clients? (rbd, cephfs???)
[22:59] <FidoNet> clients - yes ??? rbd / cephfs / proxmox / iscsi / etc
[23:00] <doppelgrau> the ceph-clients (rbd, iscsi-targets usw.) talk directly to the osds
[23:01] <doppelgrau> the mon only delivers the metadata how to compute the data placement
[23:01] <doppelgrau> mds-Server = metadata server
[23:01] <FidoNet> I???m building a proof of concept out of ???spare??? 8 bay chassis ??? so 8 x 4TB drives (8 x OSD) x 5 ??? 3 x mons (is that enough) .. 1 x MDS (would feel better with more but the docs say ???no???) .. although the PoC will end up being ???live??? for a small portion of the network having already go this working in a lab (plan is to replace freenas boxes with ceph and scale out)
[23:02] <doppelgrau> FidoNet: enough mons, but I???d use a second standby mds
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[23:02] <FidoNet> standby mds - gotcha
[23:03] <FidoNet> freenas boxes are 32GB and 8 x 4TB SAS2/6Gb/sec drives so plan is to drain them of data rebuild as OSDs and remount using iscsi / rbd
[23:03] <FidoNet> and then have one big ceph pool rather than 5 standalone NAS boxes
[23:03] <doppelgrau> FidoNet: I???d say a single 10GBit network with Jumbopackets enabled for the OSDs and Clients
[23:03] <FidoNet> (they boot from CF)
[23:04] <FidoNet> ok cool .. so that???s the same hardware as we have already ??? great ??? so I just need to spec the mons ??? they???re ok with 1 Gig ??
[23:04] <doppelgrau> clients = machines that directly uses raddos, iscsi-clients do not ned to be in that network
[23:05] <FidoNet> if we can get them to talk rdb directly then we will, but the ones that need iscsi / samba as a gateway ??? I guess they talk to the mons ? so we might need 10 gig in those too as the mon becomes the client (am I right??)
[23:05] <doppelgrau> FidoNet: if you have some space for an additional 2,5 SSD, I???d use that for journal, hugely increases wirte performance
[23:05] <FidoNet> yes there???s already 256GB SSD in each box for ZFS
[23:05] <FidoNet> although journalling 8 drives to one SSD sounds like a recipe for disaster ?
[23:05] <doppelgrau> mon 1 gBit is enough, but storage should not be too slow (for 16 OSDs dedicated HDD will work, but some SSD would be better)
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[23:06] <FidoNet> the controllers have 512GB cache on them which speeds up writes .. although I???m not sure how that will work with ceph in the real world ?
[23:06] <doppelgrau> FidoNet: depends on the SSD, but most peoble recommend 1 ssd for 4 HDDs
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[23:07] <FidoNet> ok we have room for an extra ssd with some squeezing
[23:07] <doppelgrau> FidoNet: Battery cached? ceph has lots of ???sync??? IO
[23:07] <FidoNet> BBU yes
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[23:09] <FidoNet> We???ve pulled out about 200 x Dell R610 (8 bay 6Gb/sec) some with H700 and some with SAS6/iR controllers ??? I???m thinking of racking those up with 1.8TB 6Gb/sec drives for additional storage ??? just need to do the power calculations vs something with less power (maybe 1TB SSD - they draw less power)
[23:09] <doppelgrau> FidoNet: one SSD for 8 HDDs might be ok, if the SSD has a very high endurance and your cluster is no to write heavy from the workload
[23:10] <FidoNet> primarily worm ???. web servers, mail servers, owncloud, etc
[23:10] <FidoNet> usual problem of what to do when you hit 24TB on a chassis ??? build another and move some data ??? not any more (I hope! .. just add more OSD) :)
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[23:11] <doppelgrau> the cluster I take primarily care of is a backend for ???retail??? virtual server => about 2/3 of the IOs is write (so 1 SSD for 4 HDDs is a good fit for me)
[23:12] <FidoNet> ok great thanks ???. the docs / guidance all seem to ignore the physical network design ??? I wanted to make sure I wan???t missing anything :
[23:12] <FidoNet> :)
[23:13] <FidoNet> I???m looking at moving VMs from local storage onto this as well ???in the future??? (hence looking at Proxmox/etc) ???. although historically we???ve run out of CPU / vm licenses on Virtuozzo before we ran out of disk space
[23:13] <doppelgrau> FidoNet: that works nice, at some point you might need to increase the number of PGs, either in an existing pool (painfull, lots of IO) or adding an other pool
[23:14] <FidoNet> thanks I???ll look at that ??? tuning as it grows is something I need to learn more about
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[23:19] <doppelgrau> FidoNet: and the network: ceph has no special requirements in the end, but the network defines some parts of the latencys and (can) limit read and write performance
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[23:20] <doppelgrau> FidoNet: except: ceph does not like strange network errrors
[23:20] <FidoNet> most of the existing kit is already 10 gig / dual 10 gig ???lacp??? ???. all fibre and all in a small metro (3 DCs wihin London) ??? we also have a site down in Brighton on the end of a 1 Gig tail ??? which I???d like to try and replicate to for belt and braces .. athough I???m not sure if that will just break things / need a fatter pipe to make it work :)
[23:21] * FidoNet hates strange network errors too :)
[23:21] <FidoNet> but I know what you mean
[23:21] <FidoNet> might be worth looking at Brighton another way and having a pool down there which is replicated back to London rather than having the London pool mirrored out to Brighton ???.
[23:22] <doppelgrau> FidoNet: with some custom crush rules only writes might go to brighton
[23:22] <doppelgrau> (or the other way)
[23:22] <FidoNet> custom crush rules? .. ok I need to read up more :)
[23:22] <doppelgrau> but even in that case the latency reduces write speed (and the 1gbit too)
[23:23] <FidoNet> how cpu intensive are the mons?
[23:23] <doppelgrau> FidoNet: can define own rules, like first two copies in one of these DCs, third in that DC
[23:23] <FidoNet> just thinking rather than using ???high end??? kit which could be re-purposed as HV clusters ??? we have a load of Atom 1.8Ghz chassis that were about to go into landfill
[23:24] <doppelgrau> FidoNet: in my experience a normal CPU core is enough
[23:25] <FidoNet> hmm ok ??? I???ll see how they run
[23:25] <FidoNet> thanks again .. really helpful!
[23:25] <doppelgrau> no problem
[23:25] <FidoNet> As you can probably gather I???m trying to do most of this without spending on new hardware ??? while we get a real feel for the technology
[23:26] <doppelgrau> if you want to use atoms for osds, I???d calculate 2 Atom GHz per OSD as a good rule of thumb
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[23:26] <FidoNet> with 400+ xeon cores and 1600 drive bays sitting in a pile on the floor ??? it seems daft to go out and buy new kit just coz that kit is 4 years old (although some new drives might be an idea)
[23:27] <FidoNet> I was thinking the atoms could be the mon / meta data server ???
[23:27] <FidoNet> although 1.8ghz atom / 4GB and 1 or 2 x 500GB HD ??? we have about 100 of those split across 2U 8 way chassis
[23:28] <FidoNet> they draw just over 1 amp per 8 blades
[23:28] <FidoNet> they have 3 x 2.5??? drives per atom if I remeber .. so one for OS, 1 for OSD and maybe even 1 for SSD :)
[23:29] <doppelgrau> FidoNet: ceph can easily work with existing HW, in my eperience 4 GB RAM per OSD is good (during really bad recovery/backfill the needed memory can increase and other time it???s a good read cache), normaly less than a half of an ???normal??? cpu core
[23:29] <FidoNet> that???s great - thanks ??? that???s been a really big help!
[23:30] <doppelgrau> I have no good data for the ressouce-need of an mds-server, mine is mostly idle (maybee 2.000 files in the cephs)
[23:31] <doppelgrau> I use cephfs only for some templates and config-files
[23:31] <FidoNet> ok well I???ll have a play and see what happens ??? looks like I have a new testbed to play with :)
[23:34] <doppelgrau> FidoNet: http://docs.ceph.com/docs/master/rados/operations/crush-map/ <- for custom crush rules, you can choose which rule applies for which pool, so you can have pools ssd only, pools with primary copy on SSD, other on platter, pools with all copies on platter, pools with two copies in London, 1 in brighton, pools with 2 copies in brighton, one in london and so on
[23:35] <FidoNet> fantastic thank you!
[23:35] <doppelgrau> and even define, that each copy needs to be in a different rack => a failing switch or electric-braker only affects one copy
[23:35] <FidoNet> the more I see of ceph the more I like it
[23:35] <doppelgrau> endless possibilities, only limited by the topology and ressources :D
[23:36] <FidoNet> :)
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[23:36] <doppelgrau> FidoNet: only real drawback IMHO, ceph likes replicated pools (raid 1), erasure coded pools have some limitations ATM (raid 5/6..)
[23:37] <doppelgrau> and since you do not want to fill the disk completly, the usable capacity is quite lower than the raw capacity
[23:39] <FidoNet> yup
[23:39] <FidoNet> small price to pay though ?
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[23:40] <doppelgrau> deppending on the use case, but in many IMHO the advantages are higher
[23:43] <FidoNet> atm of 8 x 4TB drives in a chassis we leave 1 as a hot standby, we then configure the other 7 as zfs or raid5 either way we lose another 4T which brings us down to 24TB ??? and then we have to leave 4-6TB space (as a minimum) for thin partitions to expand when we???re not looking ??? so of 32T we only get 18-20T usable
[23:44] <FidoNet> and a constant juggling act as data expands towards a hard ceiling
[23:45] <FidoNet> so yes we only get 16TB from a 32TB store with replication ??? but as that fills up I can just throw in another 8 x 4T chassis and add another 16T usable without having to juggle/move customer data / backups / etc
[23:45] <FidoNet> if I???m understanding this correctly ?
[23:46] <doppelgrau> FidoNet: more or less :)
[23:46] <FidoNet> :)
[23:46] <FidoNet> so I don???t spend a weekend moving 6-8TB of data from one NAS to another :)
[23:46] <FidoNet> more time for beer :)
[23:47] <FidoNet> and I can hire a trainee to plug in disks / mount new chassis ??? rather than someone more seasoned to move ???live??? data ??? which saves me 50% on salary :)
[23:47] <doppelgrau> as a rule of thumb: filling the OSDs (on average) more that 3/4 up to 80% is a bad idea => usable raw capacity is about number of osds x capacity x 075
[23:48] <doppelgrau> and how much data you can store depends on the ???size??? parameter = usable raw / size
[23:48] <doppelgrau> size = 3 three copies (default)
[23:48] <FidoNet> that???s going to take some number crunching to get right I guess
[23:48] <FidoNet> ahh that .. yes
[23:49] <FidoNet> well we???ll see ???. commodity disks are cheap enough tho ??? rack space/power has a further cost ??? but hopefully this will let me sleep a bit more peacefullly at night :)
[23:49] <doppelgrau> so your 8*4TB => 32 x0,75 =>24TB usable raw
[23:49] <FidoNet> once its done :)
[23:50] <FidoNet> which is the same as we get currently
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[23:50] <doppelgrau> but you have forgotten the 24/size
[23:50] <FidoNet> ?
[23:50] <FidoNet> oh yes
[23:50] <FidoNet> ooh
[23:50] <doppelgrau> so you get less
[23:51] <FidoNet> so with a size of 3 that means we only get 8TB out of 32TB ?
[23:51] <doppelgrau> basically, yes
[23:51] <FidoNet> yeuck
[23:52] <doppelgrau> depending on your workload you might take a look on a erasure coded pool with a cache pool in front
[23:52] <FidoNet> thanks ??? I???ll have a look at that
[23:53] <doppelgrau> only ???hot??? objects replicated, other erasure coded (6+2 => only 30% overhead) => 18 TB usable (- cache pool)
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[23:56] <doppelgrau> but that only works, if most of your data is ???cold???
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[23:59] <FidoNet> a lot of it is ??? backups for example ??? although we might be able to do away with a lot of that if we can snapshot instead
[23:59] <FidoNet> we???ll see

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