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IRC Log for 2016-09-09

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[1:14] <dack> Do I understand this correctly? When using ceph-deploy and putting multiple journals on one disk, I need to manually partition the journal disk (ceph-deploy doesn't do it for you). Is the right?
[1:14] <dack> *that right
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[3:17] <smiley> ??does ceph start moving data around right away if you add in a new osd?
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[3:27] <aNupoisc> Hi Folks, I am trying to integrate ceph with keystone but getting 401 Access Denied response
[3:28] <aNupoisc> my swift connection test works swift -A http://{IP ADDRESS}:{port}/auth/1.0 -U testuser:swift -K '{swift_secret_key}' stat gives me response
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[3:29] <aNupoisc> can anyone help letting me know how the authentication is missing
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[3:33] <smiley> I just added a new osd to the cluster and no data was moved to the new drive
[3:33] <smiley> here is a copy of my crush map: http://pastebin.com/LdvQ266y
[3:33] <smiley> the entry for the new osd (#108) looks odd I think
[3:34] <smiley> there is no host listed along with the osd
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[3:35] <Nicho1as> the repository for ubuntu/debian offers very old version of ceph-deploy. it doesn't even support ceph-deploy purgedata properly. (deb https://download.ceph.com/debian-jewel/ jessie main)
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[3:39] <Nicho1as> it says "[ceph_deploy][ERROR ] RuntimeError: refusing to purge data while Ceph is still installed"
[3:40] <Nicho1as> ceph-deploy --version 1.5.34
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[3:41] <Nicho1as> oh sorry, it was quite new... it was released on 07-Jun-2016
[3:42] <Nicho1as> it however won't work
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[3:54] <- *johnavp1989* To prove that you are human, please enter the result of 8+3
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[7:40] <ronrib> has anyone had a chance to play with dell's 100gb switches? any issues?
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[7:43] <ben1> 100gbe? :)
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[7:52] <destrudo> non
[7:52] <ben1> i wonder if there's any real speed gain from 40gb to 100gb
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[7:53] <destrudo> yes
[7:53] <destrudo> 60 gigabits.
[7:54] <destrudo> Broadcom tomahawk
[7:54] <destrudo> I wonder how cheap the chips are
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[7:55] <ben1> i dunno i didn't notice much going from ddr infiniband to qdr infiniband
[7:56] <destrudo> 3.2 grand per chip
[7:56] <ben1> ouch
[7:56] <ben1> qdr infiniband is cheap
[7:56] <destrudo> you noticing it and the throughput being there are two very different things
[7:56] <destrudo> yeah.
[7:56] <ben1> true
[7:56] <ben1> but like ddr3 vs ddr4
[7:56] <ben1> the latency is basicalyl the same
[7:57] <ben1> so total throughput can go up, but you don't really notice any difference in normal workloads
[7:57] <ben1> only if you're near the limit :)
[7:57] <ben1> or in synthetic benchmarks
[7:58] <destrudo> tailor your hardware to your solution
[7:58] <ben1> i thought most people tailed the solution to the hardware :)
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[7:58] <ben1> right hand not talking to the left hand and all
[7:58] <destrudo> I'm sure you'd notice if you had a pure nvm ceph solution and proper balancing for each of the nodes
[7:59] <destrudo> probably cost more than the chips too
[7:59] <destrudo> lol
[7:59] <ben1> all nvme :)
[7:59] <ben1> sounds expensive
[7:59] <destrudo> I've been playing with red rock canyon stuff
[8:00] <destrudo> and I though /that/ was expensive.
[8:00] <ben1> i haven't seen that great iops with ceph yet
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[8:01] <destrudo> the 10840 has 32 pcie lanes coming off of it, along with whatever networking mumbo-jumbo you wanna link up
[8:01] <destrudo> it can push 600+ gigabits out of itself
[8:03] <ben1> i was wondering if there was a nice way to do vnc over infiniband before
[8:03] <destrudo> I don't know if we'll use it, but it is really nice.
[8:03] <ben1> or remote display over infiniband
[8:03] <destrudo> what
[8:03] <ben1> isnt' it meant to be possible to dma straight to video memory
[8:03] <destrudo> lol
[8:03] <destrudo> have fun writing that driver.
[8:03] <ben1> it seems that all this special bus stuff isn't being taken advantage of as much as it could
[8:04] <ben1> heh it's mostly to do with opencl support atm afaik
[8:05] <destrudo> I don't think you'd wanna dma between two devices like that
[8:05] <destrudo> but that's a bit deep for me.
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[8:05] <destrudo> I could see something work in my head but it seems like more trouble, especially when most of this cards are going to try to keep shit in their own memory
[8:08] <ben1> yeah
[8:08] <ben1> hmm i wonder if ceph's rdma support is ready yet
[8:09] <destrudo> yes
[8:09] <destrudo> it is
[8:09] <destrudo> https://community.mellanox.com/docs/DOC-2141
[8:11] <destrudo> I was gonna do it, but the cards I have that support rdma have thermal issues and no temp sensors
[8:11] <destrudo> lol
[8:12] <ben1> ;:31.256s
[8:12] <ben1> what cards is that
[8:12] <ben1> hmm, what happened
[8:12] <ben1> ;:31.316s
[8:12] <destrudo> Three One point Three One Six
[8:13] <ben1> yeah i haven' ;:31.256s
[8:14] <ben1> i have no idea what i;s:31.19 6s
[8:14] <ben1> doing it
[8:14] <ben1> ;:31.136s
[8:17] <destrudo> it's amusing at the very least.
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[8:24] <nikbor> destrudo: have you ever tried to get ceph with accellio running on anything different than 3.18 kernel or in fact getting it to run at all ?
[8:26] <destrudo> nope
[8:26] <destrudo> never tried.
[8:26] <destrudo> I can req hardware and try it
[8:27] <destrudo> does it bitch if you're not rolling with 3.18?
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[8:30] <ben1> it's still doing it grr
[8:30] <ben1> i rebooted
[8:30] <nikbor> accellio works only with 3.18 apparently, a colleague of mine spent days trying to get it to work (we have mellanox and QIB cards)
[8:30] <nikbor> he said it's alpha support in jewel and authentication doesn't work
[8:30] <destrudo> that's fucking crazy
[8:31] <destrudo> I'll look into it later.
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[8:32] <destrudo> yeah, it was super experimental last I looked. But if mellanox is chucking instructions I'd figure it's not totally crippled.
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[8:44] <ben1> ;:;:.;:
[8:45] <ben1> hmm i may have fixed it
[8:46] <ben1> nikbor: alpha :(
[8:46] <ben1> so it's probably quite a way off?
[8:47] <nikbor> possibly
[8:47] <nikbor> bear in mind that rdma is currently not native to ceph
[8:47] <nikbor> e.g. they use integration with a 3rd party middleware (the accellio library)
[8:47] <nikbor> haven't looked into details but this seems a bit iffy
[8:47] <ben1> it'd still be fsater than ipoib i suspect
[8:48] <ben1> middleware on it's own isn't necessarily a terribly bad thing
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[8:50] <Be-El> there's been some thread recently on the ceph-devel mailing list regarding infiniband support and code restructuring for correctly supporting it
[8:50] <Be-El> i wouldn't hold my breath until infiniband support is stable in ceph...
[8:51] <ivve> anyone got any experience with rbd/pacemaker/nfs
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[12:43] <peetaur> Hi. I built ceph 10.2.2 and ceph -s won't run, saying ImportError: /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/rados.so: undefined symbol: PyUnicode_FromFormat
[12:43] <peetaur> I can't figure out what that means.
[12:44] <peetaur> also simply python2 -c "import rados" does the same
[12:44] <peetaur> hammer works fine
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[12:49] <mike_s> does anyone had a luck with s3cmd over civetweb?
[12:50] <mike_s> it works over nginx + radosgw socket but not over civetweb directly
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[13:00] <Be-El> mike_s: it runs without any problem in oursetup
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[13:04] <mike_s> [client.radosgw.gateway] host = node2 keyring = /etc/ceph/ceph.client.radosgw.keyring rgw socket path = /var/run/ceph/ceph.radosgw.gateway.fastcgi.sock rgw_frontends = civetweb port=7480 log file = /var/log/ceph/radosgw.log rgw ops log rados = false rgw print continue = false rgw dns name = s3.host.com
[13:05] <mike_s> Be-El: is there any mistakes?
[13:06] <mike_s> ERROR: Error parsing xml: syntax error: line 1, column 0 ERROR: Error 400: Bad Request Invalid URI: [http://s3.host.com/]
[13:06] <mike_s> at the same time it's ok over nginx
[13:09] <Be-El> host and rgw dns name are different?
[13:09] <mike_s> yes
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[13:11] <Be-El> otherwise our configuration is similar
[13:11] <Be-El> do you use the correct port in s3?
[13:12] <Be-El> eh...s3cmd?
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[13:13] <mike_s> yes, i've tried to use it directly over port 80 and 7480 either
[13:13] <Be-El> what happens if you point a browser to the url? (http://s3.host.com:7489)
[13:13] <Be-El> 7480 of cause
[13:15] <mike_s> <ListAllMyBucketsResult xmlns="http://s3.amazonaws.com/doc/2006-03-01/"> <Owner> <ID>anonymous</ID> <DisplayName/> </Owner> <Buckets/> </ListAllMyBucketsResult>
[13:15] <mike_s> Connection:Keep-Alive Content-Length:214 Content-Type:application/xml Date:Fri, 09 Sep 2016 11:14:55 GMT x-amz-request-id:tx0000000000000000aeb01-0057d299af-104005-default
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[13:16] <mike_s> oh and it works fine with dragondisk
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[13:16] <mike_s> or over asw SDK
[13:17] <Be-El> so the problem is with s3cmd, not radosgw
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[13:17] <mike_s> seems like
[13:17] <Be-El> the nginx proxy setup might change some of the headers
[13:18] <Be-El> you probably have to have a closer look at the radosgw log files
[13:18] <mike_s> it's from nginx
[13:18] <mike_s> Connection:keep-alive Content-Length:214 Content-Type:application/xml Date:Fri, 09 Sep 2016 11:18:16 GMT Server:nginx/1.8.0
[13:19] <mike_s> without x-amz-request-id
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[13:40] <jprins_> Be-El: You mention Ganesha-nfs. Do you have some example documentation / working config file that I can build on? I'm testing at the moment but so far have not been able to get an NFS export live.
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[13:43] <Be-El> jprins_: see query
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[14:42] <squeeb> Hey all, I can't "add volumes" on the http://ceph.com/pgcalc/ site. Looks like a javascript error, thought you should know
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[14:42] <squeeb> Also, should I want to add additional volumes in the future after I've worked out the PG number, do I need to recalculate the PGs again?
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[15:57] <jprins_> Hi everyone. I'm trying to configure Ganesha-NFS in combination with Ceph. To do this I configured an MDS with a filesystem and I can mount this filesystem on the server that is going to run ganesha-nfs.
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[15:58] <jprins_> then i configure Ganesha-nfs, but I can't find the proper settings for the Ceph configuration in Ganesha to share the CephFS filesystem.
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[16:11] <squeeb> Do you have to use ceph-deploy to install ceph?
[16:12] <squeeb> I'd kinda like to know what it's doing
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[16:12] <squeeb> so I can package it up as a puppet module
[16:12] <Be-El> squeeb: there are puppet modules for ceph
[16:12] <squeeb> I know but I kinda like to write my own
[16:13] <Be-El> and you do not need to use ceph-deploy, you can deploy a cluster also manually
[16:13] <squeeb> Do you know where the docs are for that?
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[16:14] <squeeb> Oh actually I found it
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[16:14] <squeeb> sorry I didn't see the bit about package management, just saw the "Ceph-deploy" section under the "Install(Manual)" section
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[16:33] <nikbor> does rbd contain any kind of cache? e.g. if i freeze an ext4 ontop of ceph and flush the filesystem caches, do i also need to flush some rbd cache in order to have a consistent snapshot (filesystem-wise) ?
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[16:36] <Be-El> nikbor: librbd may use a cache, either as writethrough or writeback cache. it can be configured in ceph.conf
[16:37] <nikbor> right but if i'm using the kernel driver for rbd then it's not using wb caches?
[16:37] <Be-El> nikbor: and afaik librbd reacts to flush commands on the rbd device, so the usual consistent snapshot procedures should work
[16:38] <Be-El> the kernel driver is a different story (and one i'm not familar with)
[16:38] <nikbor> i'm seeing inconsistent ext4 fs state after doing fsfrzee + snapshot
[16:38] <nikbor> and i'm trying to pinpoint the actual cause, since it seems delay after the fsfreeze to fix it
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[16:40] <squeeb> URGH. Who the hell wrote pveceph? I'm going to hurt their arms.
[16:40] <squeeb> whoops, wrong chan
[16:42] <Be-El> *g*
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[16:42] <Be-El> the last time i was running proxmox the ceph support was great
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[16:43] <squeeb> Meh, it's very 'behind the scenes'
[16:44] <squeeb> I've chosen to use puppet to configure my interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces.d instead of /etc/network/interfaces, and of course the pveceph tools only looks at /etc/network/interfaces
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[16:46] <Be-El> -> weekend\
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[17:42] <walcubi> Is there a sensible reason for ceph-deploy to mkfs.btrfs using --nodesize 32768?
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[17:53] <rkeene> I don't even see ceph-deploy in jewel
[17:53] <rkeene> Ah, it's a separate repository altogether
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[17:54] <rkeene> nodesize doesn't appear in ceph-deploy anywhere
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[17:55] <rkeene> So... what makes you think it does that ?
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[18:02] <cholcombe> is there any way to get the rados put command to stripe the data?
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[18:05] <walcubi> rkeene, '-n', '32768'
[18:06] <walcubi> Or something like that.
[18:06] <walcubi> It may be part of ceph-disk, infact
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[18:19] <rkeene> walcubi, https://github.com/ceph/ceph/commit/2e9afc21d08b3a6e5564c8d998b830bf34b87fc7
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[18:20] <walcubi> "The values for the settings were copied from teuthology"
[18:21] <walcubi> So, no reason other than this is what was used in testing. :-)
[18:21] <peetaur> I have the git repo... how do I build only the docs?
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[18:23] <rkeene> walcubi, Here's teuthology at the same time, FWIW: https://github.com/ceph/teuthology/tree/7c9dc932e1f8b302a7ff669cd9ec4542949b2e94
[18:23] <walcubi> peetaur, is there not a "Building the Docs" section in the README?
[18:24] <walcubi> rkeene, yeah - I'm just curious as this may be something that I need to play around with.
[18:24] <peetaur> walcubi: yep there is, thanks :)
[18:25] <rkeene> walcubi, https://github.com/ceph/teuthology/commit/b0985e446b810cb2b29c819c4ae89d0e2e7d00ba is where it got added there
[18:25] <walcubi> I've had two btrfs disks collapse on me in the space of a week
[18:25] <rkeene> You really shouldn't use BtrFS
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[18:25] <walcubi> XFS sucks for my workload.
[18:25] <walcubi> And Ext4 support was dropped
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[18:26] <rkeene> BtrFS is performing faster for you ?
[18:26] <rkeene> (When it's not dying, that is)
[18:26] <walcubi> By some orders of magnitude
[18:27] <peetaur> is that compared to xfs with separate journal, or without?
[18:27] <rkeene> That's hard to imagine given the additional work BtrFS does, the implementation issues it has, etc... XFS was measured at 4x faster than BtrFS when we benchmarked it in 0.94.x -- but we haven't tried it in a while
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[18:28] <walcubi> There are some custom factors
[18:29] <rkeene> (FWIW, we also got a speed boost moving from glibc malloc to jemalloc -- testing out SuperMalloc now on Jewel)
[18:29] <peetaur> how do I make the build use python2? It's trying to use python3... I get "...missing....virtualenv" and if I install the python3 package for that, then "SyntaxError: Missing parentheses in call to 'print'"
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[18:30] <rkeene> sage, Any idea why you set -n 32768 as a mkfs option for BtrFS in Ceph ( https://github.com/ceph/teuthology/commit/b0985e446b810cb2b29c819c4ae89d0e2e7d00ba ) ? walcubi has questions.
[18:30] <rkeene> peetaur, I did some patching to fix that
[18:30] <sage> iirc it was because it was avoidng metdata btree fragmentation.
[18:30] <peetaur> :/
[18:30] <walcubi> But the gist is: All SSDs, custom librados clients, and dealing with some 1.2T objects. All small files (1-64kb in size)
[18:31] <sage> this was years ago.. but chris suggested taht 32k was the sweet spot (larger and we would burn too much cpu updating the btree nodes)
[18:31] <walcubi> Hmm. s/trillion/billion/ :-)
[18:32] <rkeene> walcubi, You'll probably have to ask cmason then
[18:32] <walcubi> sage, 32k being the sweet spot for rbd?
[18:32] <walcubi> You deal with data in 4MB chunks, right?
[18:33] <rkeene> peetaur, Oh, no, I didn't do patching to fix it -- I installed virtualenv (for python2)... I tried to patch it out, but that was futile
[18:33] <peetaur> I already have virtualenv for python2...just the script is trying to use python3
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[18:34] <sage> walcubi: it should be teh *metadata* block size for the metadata btree..
[18:34] <rkeene> Ah, my build environment doesn't let it know anything other than its dependencies exist -- and I have Ceph set to depend on python2
[18:35] <sage> if that's not what -n does then i don't know why it's there
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[18:37] <walcubi> sage, yes indeed. I'm trying to understand what it means when there are some 900M files sitting on disk.
[18:37] <peetaur> great and the docs build fails. :|
[18:37] <sage> probably not much
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[18:37] <peetaur> https://bpaste.net/show/4305846038d3
[18:38] <sage> from what i remember i would have expected it to be the default now, but i haven't followed btrfs in a while so ...
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[18:39] <walcubi> https://oss.oracle.com/~mason/blocksizes/
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[18:42] <walcubi> What I'm seeing there is that 16k delivers the same performance gains in read.
[18:43] <walcubi> While not suffering from slowdowns that 32k shows in creation and deletion.
[18:43] <walcubi> Which at the moment, I'm doing a helluva lot of.
[18:44] <walcubi> Once I've reached capacity, things may stabilize, however.
[18:44] <peetaur> argh....I put python2 first in my PATH and it still uses python3 in some files
[18:45] <rkeene> peetaur, You need a better build environment :-D
[18:45] <walcubi> sage, In any case, when I gave bluefs a test, I nearly fell off my seat at the throughput figures for writing millions of tiny objects.
[18:45] <peetaur> rkeene: I prefer better builds to custom build environments :P
[18:45] <peetaur> this file doesn't even have a shebang at all...
[18:45] <peetaur> I guess I'll add that into my commit :P
[18:46] <rkeene> peetaur, You're unable to control what the environment looks like when you build the software, so you're definitely not able to do reproducable builds
[18:46] <walcubi> sage, however, I ended up taking those stat's with a grain of salt, as the cluster quickly collapsed with ENOSPC sometime after the 200GB mark.
[18:47] <peetaur> rkeene: you really want me to build an environment without any python3?
[18:48] <rkeene> peetaur, Pretty much anyone who creates packages does that same sort of thing
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[18:57] <peetaur> ok so I had to rm -rf build-doc before it used what I changed
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[19:10] <peetaur> to send changes, should I use a git pull request?
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[20:11] <ledgr_> ceph-mon --cluster ceph --mkfs -i cephmon2 --monmap /var/lib/ceph/tmp/ceph.cephmon2.monmap --keyring /var/lib/ceph/tmp/ceph-cephmon2.mon.keyring --setuser 167 --setgroup 167
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[20:11] <ledgr_> unable to find any IP address in networks: aaaa:bbbb:cccc:dddd::/64
[20:12] <ledgr_> all networks are reachable
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[20:12] <ledgr_> ceph -s shows cluster data
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[20:14] <ledgr> ceph-mon --cluster ceph --mkfs -i cephmon2 --monmap /var/lib/ceph/tmp/ceph.cephmon2.monmap --keyring /var/lib/ceph/tmp/ceph-cephmon2.mon.keyring --setuser 167 --setgroup 167
[20:14] <ledgr> unable to find any IP address in networks: aaaa:bbbb:cccc:dddd::/64
[20:14] <ledgr> all networks are reachable
[20:14] <ledgr> ceph -s shows cluster data
[20:21] <ledgr> all good, found solution :)
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[21:13] <jprins_> Hi everyone. I'm trying to configure Ganesha-NFS in combination with Ceph. To do this I configured an MDS with a filesystem and I can mount this filesystem on the server that is going to run ganesha-nfs.
[21:13] <jprins_> then i configure Ganesha-nfs, but I can't find the proper settings for the Ceph configuration in Ganesha to share the CephFS filesystem.
[21:14] <jprins_> Anyone here with experience in this setup that is able to give me a little push in the right direction?
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[21:18] <s3an2> jprins_, In a test about 3 months ago I used this http://pastebin.com/iV7aUqLR
[21:19] <peetaur> should mds be named like mds.0 or mds.node1 ?
[21:19] <m0zes> mds.node1
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[21:19] <m0zes> mds.<int> is problematic because internally ceph assigns an int to the active mds.
[21:20] <peetaur> ok... ceph-mds seems to agree with you :) "deprecation warning: MDS id 'mds.0' is invalid and will be forbidden in a future version. MDS names may not start with a numeric digit."
[21:20] <peetaur> thanks
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[21:25] <s3an2> jprins_, I am interested to know how you get on with using Ganesha-NFS. I need to revisit it and test quotas as they should be supported according to (http://tracker.ceph.com/issues/16526)
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[21:30] <jprins_> The following is my config: http://pastebin.com/S6JsKmiB
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[21:31] <jprins_> On the client I see the following: http://pastebin.com/EaWF748A
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[21:31] <jprins_> So something is still not OK.
[21:32] <jprins_> s3an2: The problem might be that my cluster is not named ceph but blsceph01.
[21:33] <jprins_> The result is that the client key is also named a little different and it probably needs this client key to make the Ceph connection.
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[21:38] <s3an2> That is odd, what kernel you running?
[21:39] <s3an2> anything in dmesg
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[21:48] <jprins_> s3an2: Centos7 latest kernel
[21:48] <jprins_> 3.10.0-327.22.2.el7.x86_64
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[22:09] <jprins_> s3an2: Got it working with NFSv3.
[22:09] <jprins_> The problems are probebly in my NFSv4, but this is something we use nowhere, so that is no problem.
[22:09] <jprins_> At least for this usecase.
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