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IRC Log for 2016-07-26

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[1:15] <- *johnavp1989* To prove that you are human, please enter the result of 8+3
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[1:15] <loth> Hey all, is there any method to limit download/upload (qos) for clients connecting to radosgw?
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[9:31] <kees_> in a 3x-node ceph cluster, is it possible to recover from the loss of 2x- nodes (with all data written to all nodes)?
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[9:34] <sep> if you have size 3 then all data should be on the one node yes.
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[9:36] <sep> and assuming you have not changed the default crush chooseleaf type or something like that.
[9:37] <sep> ofcourse the size is pool dependant. so it's quite possible to have one pool with size3 be recoverable. and another pool with size2 have missing pieces.
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[9:40] <kees_> assuming everything is size3 and all data is on the surving node ofc :)
[9:41] <kees_> reason i'm asking is because we want to set up a 3 node cluster with 1 node in a different location, and i want to be able to recover if one datacentrum burns down
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[9:48] <T1> bad idea - latency for writes and some reads would suffer
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[9:53] <kees_> T1, latency is still sub-ms, locations are ~10k apart, with 2x10GBit/s fiber between them
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[9:54] <T1> 10k as im 10 km?
[9:54] <kees_> yes
[9:54] <T1> in even
[9:54] <T1> ok
[9:55] <T1> just remember that 1/3 of all reads would be served from that remote location
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[9:55] <kees_> that shouldn't be a problem :)
[9:55] <T1> also that 1/3 of all writes will travel the site-site link twice
[9:56] <kees_> unless you have a better disaster recovery scenario? :)
[9:58] <T1> offsite backup? :)
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[11:09] <sep> is it possible to make " rbd rm " more verbose ? it seems to do nothing for ages.
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[11:21] <MaZ-> hmm, is there a way to disable radosgw multisite replication without deleting zonegroups / zones / whatever
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[11:23] <theanalyst> MaZ-, maybe modifying them to different realms might work... not at all tested, and just off the top of my head though
[11:26] <MaZ-> hmm, yeah might work :)
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[11:32] <MaZ-> i mean what would be really good is if the sync process didn't cause all radosgw instances to eat 80G of ram in 20 mins and then explode, but found no solution to that in weeks so...
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[12:56] <T1> sep: rbd rm probably removes all objects related to the RBD from all OSDs - that might take some time depending on how much data the RBD contained
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[13:08] <nils_> T1, it usually shows the progress though
[13:17] <sep> but even if the rbd is mostly empty but large. it takes a huge amount of time
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[13:44] <nils_> sep, yeah it does I think the objects are preallocated
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[15:29] <SamYaple> sep: nils_ if you turn on object-map for the rbd it will know of which objects exist and make explict calls. if you do _not_ turn on object-map then it will issue deletes for every possible object that _could_ exist which can take some time (~250,000 objects per TB)
[15:29] <SamYaple> with object-map you can make deletes go alot faster
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[15:30] <nils_> is there a benefit to using object map in other cases as well?
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[15:30] <nils_> I would have change all my tooling to use qemu-nbd instead of rbd map if I want to enable the newest feature set
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[15:31] <SamYaple> nils_: considering the kernel stuff is basically being deperecated and forgetten about.... not the worst idea
[15:31] <sep> SamYaple, indeed i think this image did not have that
[15:32] <SamYaple> they are deprecating _not_ using some features that the kernel doesnt support yet
[15:32] <nils_> SamYaple, yeah however I think there is some progress coming in 4.8?
[15:32] <SamYaple> so possibly by L the kernel will only be useable with deprecated options
[15:32] <nils_> it's already the case with Jewel.
[15:32] <SamYaple> maybe. but it will always be lagging
[15:32] <SamYaple> nils_: errr rather you _cant_ use the kernel with L
[15:33] <SamYaple> just conjecture. but moving away from the kernel module will do nothing but help
[15:33] <SamYaple> no chance of deprecation, more features
[15:33] <SamYaple> we use fast-diff alot
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[15:34] <nils_> yeah I think so too, especially since it will take some time till you can actually get 4.8 from distributions and I can't really roll my own when setting things up for a clients (their staff usually can't/won't support it)
[15:34] <SamYaple> exactly. the writting is on the wall
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[15:35] <nils_> I already had trouble with Jewel and the tunables there.
[15:35] <nils_> only supported by 4.5 while Ubuntu comes with 4.4
[15:35] <SamYaple> stupid needing 4.5
[15:35] <SamYaple> yea
[15:35] <SamYaple> same here. i patched it in with DKMS
[15:35] <SamYaple> then switched full QEMU
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[15:36] <- *johnavp1989* To prove that you are human, please enter the result of 8+3
[15:36] <nils_> it's especially egregious since Ubuntu now defaults to using Jewel with I believe options that are incompatible
[15:37] <SamYaple> well nils_ it doesnt start with 'optimal', the defaults are safe
[15:37] <SamYaple> if you dont mess with the tuneables, you wont have that issue
[15:37] <nils_> I'm not sure about the rbd options however, I saw a bug report on launchpad
[15:37] <SamYaple> by default i think ceph uses last LTS's optimal tunables
[15:38] <SamYaple> eh i could be wrong. we are aware of the issue so the details here dont matter. would recommend moving to qemu to avoid these issues
[15:39] <nils_> I guess it's also not that easy to get things into the kernel?
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[15:40] <nils_> but using the qemu tools is fine, it's just a bit of work
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[15:41] <SamYaple> nils_: i dont actually know the true issue. i suspect its a combination of hard and not-so-useful given that it takes _years_ for a kernel to make it downstream
[15:41] <SamYaple> lack of interest due to limited use case over several years
[15:48] <nils_> SamYaple, yeah I can imagine, given that you still see 2.6 and 3.x in the wild.
[15:48] <nils_> although those will also use an older version of ceph
[15:48] <SamYaple> 2.4 the other day. silly redhat
[15:48] <Sketch> centos 7 is on 3.10, so 3.x will be in the wild for many years to come
[15:49] <nils_> what's that, like RHEL 4?
[15:49] <SamYaple> i thought RHEL 5
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[15:49] <nils_> I think 4 already uses 2.6
[15:49] <SamYaple> idk then it was old :)
[15:49] <nils_> I mostly have debian based things to manage.
[15:49] <Sketch> rhel3!
[15:49] <Sketch> heh
[15:49] <Sketch> https://access.redhat.com/articles/3078
[15:49] <Sketch> ancient
[15:49] <nils_> vintage
[15:49] <SamYaple> jeez
[15:50] <SamYaple> mmm nothing like a decade out of security updates
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[15:50] <SamYaple> im sure its fine
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[15:53] <nils_> it's so old all the cool exploits don't work
[15:54] <SamYaple> time to break out my phone phreaking gear
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[16:48] <Amto_res> Hello, I just want to confirm with you that the command : ""ceph osd getcrushmap ???o /tmp/cm && crushtool ???d /tmp/cm""" does not impact production? I want to see the state of my crush
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[16:48] <Amto_res> Sorry : ceph osd getcrushmap -o /tmp/cm && crushtool -d /tmp/cm"
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[17:06] <ceph-ircslackbot> <scheuk> @amtos_res: it does not
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[17:06] <ceph-ircslackbot> <scheuk> your just dumping the compiled crushmap from the MONs and then decompiling into a txt file
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[17:29] <Amto_res> Great
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[17:35] <Amto_res> I migrated my Hammer clustered Jewel last week. I wanted to make a maitenance on my cluster (1 node on 3). After "Ceph OSD set noout" .. Having extinguished the OSD 5th cluster wrote HEALTH_ERR, is this normal? Knowing that I have a replicated size 2 and size 1 min
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