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IRC Log for 2016-06-21

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[2:59] <NTTEC> anyone here today?
[3:03] <ronrib> hi
[3:03] <NTTEC> hi, is it possible to transfer a data to your ceph pool via terminal command?
[3:04] <ronrib> humm it depends, what format is the data? files or object?
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[3:06] <NTTEC> files
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[3:14] <badone> @sg2
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[3:24] <NTTEC> what's the difference between object and files?
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[4:04] <ronrib> NTTEC: you'll need an RBD or cephfs
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[4:09] <NTTEC> this is for terminal right? so with this I can transfer file/object to my pool.
[4:10] <NTTEC> can you please further explain to me whats the use of pg? I've been reading about it but couldn't get a good explanation about it
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[4:13] <ronrib> PGs are the files on the OSD where objects are written
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[7:43] <NTTEC> if i have pg of 150 how many pool can i make?
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[7:52] <IvanJobs> NTTEC, It depends I should say.
[7:53] <NTTEC> I'm still confuse on what are PG/PG-num uses
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[7:54] <IvanJobs> there is a recommended way to set pg numbers in official doc
[7:55] <IvanJobs> you should check that.
[7:55] <IvanJobs> some method of calculation of pg num
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[8:02] <skyrat> Hi, is the config variable `osd crush chooseleaf type` exactly the same as the crush map rule option `step chooseleaf firstn 0 type host` ? Is this the place to alter the leaf type on running cluster? Thanks.
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[8:37] <khyron> @skyrat: the configuration in ceph.conf is going to be used in a new cluster if you want to change the leaf configuration in a running cluster you must use the crush map (decompiling and compiling)
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[8:37] <khyron> do not forget to also change the ceph,conf for future use also
[8:38] <skyrat> khyron, thanks for the answer. And is the above mentioned option in the crush map rule the right place?
[8:39] <skyrat> ...and the only place?
[8:39] <khyron> as far as I know, is the only place in a running cluster
[8:40] <khyron> you should expect a cluster rebalancing if you change this rule
[8:40] <skyrat> khyron, ok, thanks
[8:40] <khyron> your welcome! :)
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[8:45] <skyrat> Another one: when setting the leaf type to host, are all the OSD daemons (and disks) within each host considered to be in "stripe mode" then (from the RAID terminology)?
[8:46] <skyrat> ... when having one replicated cluster...
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[8:52] <khyron> (not sure if i understand) it does not matter the leaf, rados always is going to to stripe the info, using (if I remember well) 4mb chunks, the leaf parameter set where the replica is stored.... same server different disk, different server, different rack, different pod, etc......
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[9:27] <NTTEC> what the difference between pool and pg? can you create a pool without a pg and can you just do pg without pool? I got confuse on what I've been reading today.
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[9:38] <vincepii> is it (still) unsafe to map a rbd device on a node that is also an OSD?
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[10:04] <chrome0> just out of curiosity - it seems that if i reweight an osd to 0 and let it settle, then take it out of the cluster ceph still has rebalancing to do. why is that? wouldn't the weight=0 have moved off objects already?
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[10:07] <Be-El> chrome0: osd reweight or crush reweight?
[10:07] <chrome0> Be-El : osd reweight
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[10:08] <Be-El> osd reweight does not change the crush weight of the osd; if you remove the osd, the host weight (accumulated crush weight of all osds in that host) changes and thus triggers data movement
[10:08] <chrome0> ah, so it's not actually data moving off the osd, but rebalancing on the host.
[10:09] <chrome0> that makes sense, thx
[10:09] <Be-El> in the worst case it is data movement between various hosts
[10:09] <chrome0> right
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[11:33] <nigwil> anyone have a good prometheus exporter for Ceph? I tried the digitalocean one and one other, both seem to have compatibility issues
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[11:53] <wujson> hi guys
[11:53] <wujson> does anyone have document named 4k-wip-6286-compare-splits.pdf ?
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[12:14] <IvanJobs> no, sorry
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[13:50] <realitysandwich> with 3 machines is it possible to take one down for maintence and have the cluster opperate with the remaining two? I am only running 2 for my pool size and each machine is also a monitor node
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[14:01] <sep> realitysandwich, what is your min size ?
[14:01] <realitysandwich> 2
[14:03] <sep> so 33% of objects will be on the affected node. ; when it goes down the pg's will be degreaded and will block until they have remapped back to 2 functioning copies
[14:03] <realitysandwich> I already took its osds out of the cluster
[14:04] <realitysandwich> but when I take it down, the whole thing freezes and all of my VMs stop responding
[14:05] <sep> so there is no osd processes running ? only monitor ?
[14:05] <realitysandwich> yeah
[14:05] <realitysandwich> I am wondering how I will do this when I want to take down my mds as well
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[14:13] <sep> i can't realy say why iy stops when you stop the node. but doublecheck that there is only the monitor left running,; and check you have a working quorum of monitors. perhaps try to stop the monitor process manually before shutting down the machine.
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[14:25] <The_Ball> Anyone seen mem usage spiral on the latest Jewel release? One of my mons is at RSS 6.8GiB
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[14:26] <The_Ball> while the other mons are around 85MiB
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[14:47] <krogon> Hi, a question regarding MDS and ranking
[14:47] <krogon> I have 3 MDS running with max_mds set to 1
[14:47] <krogon> I got error "mds rank 0 is damaged"
[14:47] <krogon> i have cleaned the error with ceph mds rmfailed
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[14:48] <krogon> start MDS daemon again ang all of them are in standby
[14:48] <krogon> how to assign the rank to any of remaining?
[14:48] <krogon> # ceph mds stat
[14:48] <krogon> e3104: 0/1/1 up, 3 up:standby
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[14:56] <SamYaple> switching the last 40 osds over to jewel from hammer. wish me luck
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[14:58] <Kvisle> SamYaple: I ended up doing backfills in stead of upgrading osds with data on them ... how has it worked out for you?
[14:58] <TMM> Does anyone know if there's some kind of 'dry-run' feature for reweight-by-utilization?
[14:58] <TMM> I'm trying to avoid too much datamovement per run
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[14:59] <Kvisle> TMM: I've been told https://github.com/cernceph/ceph-scripts/blob/master/tools/crush-reweight-by-utilization.py is a good alternative
[14:59] <SamYaple> Kvisle: will the issue is the permissions of the files right. timewise at least
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[14:59] <SamYaple> Kvisle: i have nodes with 24 disks so im doing a rolling 6 osd down per node. its taking about 30 minutes for one disk to change all the permissions
[15:00] <TMM> Kvisle, thank you
[15:00] <Kvisle> SamYaple: my problem was that they become completely saturated of IO, and it lasted so long I had to take the upgraded osds out of the cluster
[15:00] <Kvisle> SamYaple: I ended up nuking them and adding them as new, empty drives - and perform backfilling in stead
[15:00] <SamYaple> Kvisle: havent had that issue yet.
[15:00] <SamYaple> mostly just this chown stuff taking forwever
[15:01] * Kvisle nods.
[15:01] <georgem> SamYaple: can you not continue running as root?
[15:01] <SamYaple> I wrote this to keep 6 osds churning on a node at one time (to be run in /var/lib/ceph/osd) `find -maxdepth 1 -type d | cut -f2 -d- | tail -n+2 | xargs -n1 -P6 sh -c 'stop ceph-osd id=$1 && time find ceph-$1/ ! -group ceph -print0 | xargs -0 -P2 chown ceph: && start ceph-osd id=$1' sh`
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[15:01] <SamYaple> georgem: yea but the new osds wont be root, and i feel it will add to confusion
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[15:02] <SamYaple> its not killing us, we are very functional still so i figure well jsut get it right
[15:02] <georgem> correct, I was just thinking you could migrate them over time
[15:03] <SamYaple> we would do that if it was an issue. this is our largest cluster so its doing ok
[15:03] <SamYaple> im going to be converting this one to bcache osds after upgrading to 10.2.2 fully
[15:04] <SamYaple> so we could have backfilled like Kvisle suggested, but i dont like being forced into decisions
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[15:07] <georgem> SamYaple: how many files you have per OSD, on average?
[15:07] <SamYaple> 500,000
[15:07] <SamYaple> why it takes 30 minutes I do no know
[15:07] <SamYaple> not*
[15:08] <Kvisle> SamYaple: bcache, I would love to hear experiences with that
[15:08] <Kvisle> for reads, specifically.
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[15:10] <SamYaple> Kvisle: it doesnt help so much with reads. ive been working on tuning it, but trying to keep the first few reads of _every_ object in bcache is damn near impossible ive found
[15:10] <SamYaple> commonly read objects seemed to be cached other places anyway
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[15:10] <SamYaple> where it _shines_ is actually writes
[15:11] <Kvisle> wouldn't journal on ssd be sufficient for that?
[15:11] <georgem> SamYaple: my OSDs have around 100K so it should go faster, when time will come...
[15:12] <SamYaple> Kvisle: no! in fact tahts why the change
[15:13] <SamYaple> Kvisle: so the osd journal isnt writeback at all
[15:13] <SamYaple> Kvisle: its write-in-parallel
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[15:13] <SamYaple> so with bcache im actually doing writeback to both the journal and osd data partitions
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[15:14] <SamYaple> the idea is if you have an external journal anyway, thats your failure domain, the journal de and _all_ osds behind it. why not utilize it further and do it writeback
[15:14] <SamYaple> its working really well
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[15:48] <turmeric> Hi guys, do you have any idea of how many RAM does it need to cache like 1 million inodes?
[15:48] <turmeric> I mean, mds cache size
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[15:49] <turmeric> otherwise I am doing an ls on a directory with a lot of files inside and I just have a slow request :(
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[16:30] <realitysandwich> what is the command used to start and stop osds in debian? I have tried with service ceph stop osd.1 and systemctl stop ceph-osd@1 however neither work
[16:31] <turmeric> start ceph-osd-all maybe
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[16:32] <realitysandwich> turmeric: no such command
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[16:33] <turmeric> realitysandwich, how do you start other services?
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[16:34] <realitysandwich> service start/stop blah
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[16:35] <turmeric> service ceph-osd@1 stop?
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[16:35] <realitysandwich> nope, not that either
[16:37] <turmeric> cat /etc/issue please
[16:37] <realitysandwich> Debian GNU/Linux 8 \n \l
[16:37] <realitysandwich> its 8.4 if that matters
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[16:41] <turmeric> realitysandwich, http://docs.ceph.com/docs/master/rados/operations/operating/
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[16:42] <realitysandwich> turmeric: yeah this just has all the stuff I have already tried I am afraid
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[16:57] <krogon> need some help, how to switch these mds servers from standby to active: https://gist.github.com/krogon-intel/a4a01baa7e28a5a7b9128ac1853e671e
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[17:04] <azlev> Hi. I'm trying to deploy a 3 nodes ceph cluster (release firefly). Mons are working, but OSDs arent. The error I get is: "** ERROR: unable to open OSD superblock on /var/lib/ceph/osd/ceph-0: (2) No such file or directory".
[17:04] <azlev> can someone help me?
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[17:06] <SamYaple> realitysandwich: youre running systemd ?
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[17:07] <Be-El> azlev: firefly is a rather old release. if you want to deploy a new cluster, i would propose to use hammer or jewel
[17:07] <SamYaple> realitysandwich: debian 8, you are using systemd `systemctl restart ceph-osd@*` should work
[17:07] <Be-El> azlev: and your osds are not prepared correctly since their mount point does not seem to exists
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[17:08] <SamYaple> azlev: I would also second using at minimum Hammer. but you have not prepared/activated the osd i blieve
[17:08] <SamYaple> Be-El: in firefly does the directory autocreate when the udev script finds the osd?
[17:08] <azlev> Be-El: for production I wont use firefly, but I'm using firefly for a certification process...
[17:09] <Be-El> SamYaple: not sure, but i do not remember having to create any subdirectory when using firefly
[17:09] <Be-El> azlev: did you create the osds with ceph-disk or ceph-deploy?
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[17:11] <azlev> ceph-deploy
[17:11] <azlev> in the classroom everything worked. now at home I can't reproduce the lab.
[17:12] <Be-El> azlev: if you login to the box, are the osd partitions mounted below /var/lib/ceph/osd?
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[17:13] <azlev> Be-El: they aren't
[17:13] <azlev> brb
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[17:48] <mistur> Hello
[17:48] <mistur> I found some performance drop on jewel + kernel 4.4
[17:49] <mistur> http://lists.ceph.com/pipermail/ceph-users-ceph.com/2016-June/010773.html
[17:49] <mistur> Does anyone get a similar behaviour on their cluster ?
[17:49] <mistur> or can test ?
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[18:24] <azlev> back
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[18:59] <SamYaple> w00t upgrade to 10.2.2 done
[19:00] <SamYaple> all osds online and cluster is stable
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[19:37] <azlev> Should I see only /var/lib/ceph/osd/ceph-* mounted?
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[20:38] <azlev> Found my problem. Disks too small, they didnt get weight to work
[20:38] <azlev> bye
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[20:55] <wes_dillingham> Does anyone implement or know of an implementation of version controlling your crush map? I would like to record all changes in the crush map via git is there some sort of hook for this?
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[21:07] <- *johnavp1989* To prove that you are human, please enter the result of 8+3
[21:07] <johnavp1989> Hi all. Any harm in running a metadata server alongside an monitor?
[21:08] <wes_dillingham> johnavp1989: I presume you mean daemons on the same host?
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[21:08] <johnavp1989> wes_dillingham: yes
[21:09] <wes_dillingham> johnavp1989: ive ran my mds on a mon until dedicated mds hardware showed up???
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[21:11] <johnavp1989> wes_dillingham: ok so there's not harm in doing so then... are they resource heavy? Or is it something I could spin up on a VM host
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[21:12] <wes_dillingham> other than that they compete for resources on the same host
[21:13] <wes_dillingham> certainly feasible to do it on a vm, I wouldnt suggest it though
[21:13] <johnavp1989> wes_dillingham: ok thank you
[21:13] <wes_dillingham> mons are lightweight until hardware failures occur
[21:13] <wes_dillingham> then they use a lot of memory
[21:14] <johnavp1989> wes_dillingham: ahh okay I was under the impression that it was only OSD's that used lots of memory during a failure
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[21:15] <johnavp1989> so were you saying not to run mons on VM's or not to run metadata on VM's? or both ha
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[21:17] <wes_dillingham> I wouldnt run either in a vm in production, but it is very possible
[21:17] <wes_dillingham> osds use a lot of ram during failures too
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[21:33] <henrique> Hi. Is it possible to set the max file size of a ceph + radosgw cluster?
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[21:52] <scuttlemonkey> REMINDER: Ceph Tech Talk on the Bluestore backend is starting shortly. http://ceph.com/ceph-tech-talks/
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[23:22] <johnavp1989> CephFS question. I'm using ceph-deploy to deploy and MDS but it timesout setting up the keyringt
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[23:22] <johnavp1989> I ran the command manually on the node and got 2016-06-21 16:54:12.413695 7f0f17216700 0 librados: client.bootstrap-mds authentication error (110) Connection timed out
[23:26] <johnavp1989> Also I noticed that the ceph.conf on the MDS server has the monhost set to the IP of the MDS
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[23:38] <johnavp1989> Figured it out. The ceph.conf on my admin node was wrong. Not sure how it got that way but I copied a good config from another node and re-ran the deploy and it worked
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