#ceph IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2016-06-16

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[0:10] <gwinger> Few minutes then I will know
[0:10] <gwinger> if it possible
[0:11] <gwinger> it is strange stuff
[0:11] <gwinger> but a nice toy
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[0:15] <jiffe> is there a limit to the number of osds I can have?
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[0:16] <jiffe> I have 6 machines, each with 10 disks I'm planning to use for ceph, so if its generally accepted to use 1 disk per osd then I'd have to have 60 osds for my initial setup, and each growth iteration would add another 30 osds
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[0:27] <badone> jiffe: https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiKj7b0iavNAhVDopQKHV8QDYUQFggdMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fcds.cern.ch%2Frecord%2F2015206%2Ffiles%2FCephScaleTestMarch2015.pdf&usg=AFQjCNGKmK28xsVEPPTZLMFO6k9STjrxTw&sig2=iIO4W9gjZ1eLgnKsIYLm_g
[0:27] <badone> "number of OSDs was in the many thousands..."
[0:28] <badone> jiffe: ceph is designed for large scale deployment
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[0:38] <jiffe> so I guess the question regarding growth would be how to choose the number of PGs
[0:40] <jiffe> since adding 30 OSDs at a time that can increase pretty quickly
[0:40] <jiffe> if they want 100 PGs per OSD to start out with I'd have 6000 PGs
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[0:50] <jiffe> actually that should be fine assuming 3000 PGs on a single machine won't be a performance issue
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[0:51] <jiffe> I could use the raid card to create 5 2-disk stripes also which would cut my PG requirements in half
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[1:16] <badone> jiffe: you don't need raid for ceph
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[1:16] <badone> follow the pg calculator for pg numbers and you should be right
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[1:41] <jiffe> that calculator only expects growth of 2-3x
[1:41] <jiffe> growth here is fairly boundless
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[1:58] <jiffe> 8192 maybe I'll just stick to 3x the current size as that seems reasonable for the near future
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[2:02] <ronrib> you can change it later :V
[2:04] <badone> jiffe: you can add more, but can't remove any
[2:07] <badone> http://docs.ceph.com/docs/jewel/rados/operations/placement-groups/
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[6:17] <TheSov2> anyone used iPXE?
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[7:15] <zdzichu> TheSov2: in general, yes
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[10:34] <MaZ-> full sync: 18446744073709551583 buckets to sync
[10:34] <MaZ-> hmm
[10:34] <MaZ-> pretty sure i dont have that many buckets
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[10:39] <IcePic> that looks exactly like 2^64, probably 2^64 - 1
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[10:40] <kefu> 0xffffffffffffffdf
[10:40] <kefu> looks like a negative number.
[10:40] <ronrib> it's binary for 1111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111011111
[10:42] <kefu> -21, it is
[10:43] <kefu> MaZ- could be a bug in rgw.
[10:46] <IcePic> so (uint64_t)-32 or something
[10:47] <kefu> - 0x21
[10:47] <kefu> -33
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[11:59] <MaZ-> kefu: yeah suspected as much
[11:59] <MaZ-> seems to still be syncing though so ??\_(???)_/??
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[11:59] <kefu> =)
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[12:00] <MaZ-> trying to find out if there's a setting to tweak how many concurrent async jobs are run
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[12:00] <MaZ-> it's not making very efficient use of our connectivity right now :)
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[14:39] <MaZ-> woo, radosgw memory spike
[14:39] <MaZ-> from 3G resident to 89G and 10G swap
[14:40] <MaZ-> thats not right
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[14:45] <ska> Can Graphite and Calamari be split into 2 servers?
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[14:46] <Kvisle> MaZ-: which version is that?
[14:46] <MaZ-> 10.2.1
[14:47] <MaZ-> i suspect i saw it on another system as well
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[14:47] <MaZ-> but i caught this one in time and kill -9'd radosgw before the box ran out of swap
[14:47] <MaZ-> it did that in probably less than 5 mins, i was logged into that machine at the time and it was fine for hours :\
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[14:49] <untoreh> mounting cephfs with secret=$string works, mounting with secretfile=/path does not...? is the syntax wrong?
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[15:00] <SamYaple> untoreh: whats teh kernel version?
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[15:05] <Be-El> untoreh: is the format of the secret file content correct (just the key, not the keyring format)?
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[15:13] <untoreh> the file contain only the key string, the docs say I need to add some attributes to the file? it does not explain that very well
[15:14] <untoreh> Linux coreos1 4.6.0-coreos
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[15:15] <SamYaple> untoreh: my file is owned by ceph:ceph and has 0600 perms
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[15:24] <untoreh> http://pastebin.com/raw/1s061Mgx
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[15:30] <MaZ-> woah, doing it agian now
[15:30] <MaZ-> process resident size for radosgw is increasing at about 200MB/s
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[15:44] <rmart04> Hi, I am configuring monitoring for my ceph cluster using some tools like grafana, and collectd. When people tlak about monitoring their clusters, they always talk about disk latency. Whats the best way to get that information the most accurately? Does ceph return this information anywhere? I might be missing something very obvious, and if so apologies!
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[15:47] <Kurt> For your OSDs collectd gathers commit_latency and apply_latency in ms.
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[15:59] <rmart04> OK, and would you try and average that accross all of the disks?
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[16:00] <- *johnavp1989* To prove that you are human, please enter the result of 8+3
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[16:06] <Kurt> I don't do that, cluster latency is another figure you get from collectd. With the above mentioned figures you see per OSD latency which may point you to misbehaving OSDs
[16:10] <rmart04> OK Ill have a poke around in the collected metrics
[16:10] <rmart04> thanks
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[17:27] <MaZ-> http://i.imgur.com/i8G7xhm.png lol
[17:27] <MaZ-> 3 restarts in under an hour
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[18:54] <turmeric> Hey guys
[18:54] <turmeric> I am having
[18:54] <turmeric> 2016-06-16 16:21:32.067765 7feec1b73700 1 mds.beacon.mds02 _send skipping beacon, heartbeat map not healthy
[18:54] <turmeric> and after some time it switches to the other mds
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[18:55] <turmeric> any idea why? now the other mds is having the same messages
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[18:57] <turmeric> now I got
[18:57] <turmeric> handle_mds_beacon no longer laggy
[19:04] <TheSov2> whats the command to benchmark rados?
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[19:07] <cholcombe> TheSov2, rados bench -p {pool} 30 write
[19:08] <TheSov2> bah
[19:08] <cholcombe> turmeric, sounds like your mds is going through a replay/failover. Can you confirm by checking the logs
[19:08] <TheSov2> my shitty cluster is only doing 100MBps writes
[19:08] <TheSov2> thanks cholcombe
[19:08] <cholcombe> that's pretty brutal
[19:08] <turmeric> cholcombe, what do you mean?
[19:09] <cholcombe> TheSov2, i thought you had some higher end hardware?
[19:09] <turmeric> by replay/failover
[19:09] <TheSov2> well for a 3 unit cluster using laptop hard drives
[19:09] <TheSov2> at work i do
[19:09] <TheSov2> not at home
[19:09] <turmeric> I think it is getting laggy and marked out, but I dont know why
[19:09] <cholcombe> turmeric, how many mds do you have in the cluster?
[19:09] <TheSov2> at home i was given retired dell 610's
[19:09] <cholcombe> TheSov2, gotcha
[19:09] <TheSov2> and my storage disks are wd blue 5400 notebook disks
[19:10] <TheSov2> so considering i got 3 systems and my object copy is 3 id say its ok
[19:10] <turmeric> cholcombe, 2
[19:10] <cholcombe> turmeric, check the logs to see what the mds is doing. I haven't debugged mds issues in a long time so i'm rusty
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[19:11] <TheSov2> anyone know how to get wireshark to open a 21gb pcap?
[19:11] <cholcombe> holy crap haha
[19:11] <TheSov2> it keeps crashing :(
[19:11] <cholcombe> TheSov2, there's a cmd line tool that can do it
[19:11] <cholcombe> i can't remember the name though
[19:11] <cholcombe> yeah i think wireshark will try to load the entire deal into memory
[19:11] <cholcombe> instead of mmapping it
[19:11] <TheSov2> what a stupid thing to do
[19:12] <cholcombe> it's just a guess
[19:12] <cholcombe> TheSov2, try tshark
[19:12] <cholcombe> i've heard rumors it can open larger files
[19:12] <TheSov2> cluster 974bd24c-c94b-4c39-955a-0d1fdde395fc
[19:12] <TheSov2> health HEALTH_WARN
[19:12] <TheSov2> clock skew detected on mon.ceph-3
[19:12] <TheSov2> Monitor clock skew detected
[19:12] <TheSov2> monmap e1: 3 mons at {ceph-1=192.168.10.10:6789/0,ceph-2=192.168.10.11:6789/0,ceph-3=192.168.10.12:6789/0}
[19:12] <TheSov2> election epoch 16, quorum 0,1,2 ceph-1,ceph-2,ceph-3
[19:12] <TheSov2> osdmap e77: 9 osds: 9 up, 9 in
[19:12] <TheSov2> flags sortbitwise
[19:12] <TheSov2> pgmap v856: 192 pgs, 2 pools, 6788 MB data, 1756 objects
[19:12] <TheSov2> 20995 MB used, 8359 GB / 8379 GB avail
[19:13] <TheSov2> 192 active+clean
[19:13] <TheSov2> client io 14997 kB/s wr, 0 op/s rd, 269 op/s wr
[19:13] <TheSov2> thats my home cluster right now
[19:13] <TheSov2> the IO you see is proxmox installing some vm's
[19:13] <cholcombe> i see
[19:13] <turmeric> cholcombe, besides the normal is_healthy, timed out
[19:13] <turmeric> I have
[19:13] <turmeric> 2016-06-16 16:20:16.905475 7feebb33c700 0 -- 10.100.2.105:6800/11855 >> 10.100.2.132:0/3636086232 pipe(0x5609a4396000 sd=41 :6800 s=2 pgs=15 cs=1 l=0 c=0x5609a2d82280).fault with nothing to send, going to standby
[19:14] <cholcombe> turmeric, you might have to crank up the debug logs
[19:14] <turmeric> which level do you reccomend?
[19:14] <cholcombe> good question. lemme look
[19:14] <cholcombe> turmeric, which ceph version is deployed? just curious
[19:15] <MaZ-> http://i.imgur.com/jePYnwz.png < lol, 300MB/s increase in radosgw memory usage
[19:15] <TheSov2> i just realized something cholcombe
[19:15] <TheSov2> 100MB per second is my max
[19:15] <TheSov2> i only have 1 gig links
[19:15] <cholcombe> TheSov2, 1Gb network?
[19:15] <TheSov2> 3 systems
[19:15] <cholcombe> haha
[19:15] <TheSov2> 3 copies
[19:15] <cholcombe> yep
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[19:15] <turmeric> cholcombe, last one 10.2.2
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[19:16] <TheSov2> if i add a 4th system maybe i can get it to go faster
[19:17] <turmeric> TheSov2, it also depends on the number of OSD's you got
[19:17] <turmeric> both seed and op/s
[19:17] <turmeric> speed
[19:17] <TheSov2> no turmeric if u have 3 systems, and 3 copies your speed limit is your link speed
[19:17] <TheSov2> doesnt matter if you have 10,000 osd's
[19:18] <TheSov2> because an equal amount of data is going to all 3 hosts
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[19:20] <cholcombe> turmeric, crank it up to 10/10 and see what that produces
[19:21] <cholcombe> turmeric, are you low on ram on the mds hosts?
[19:21] <turmeric> cholcombe, normally no but lemme check
[19:21] <turmeric> right now I only have 600mb used
[19:21] <cholcombe> out of what?
[19:21] <turmeric> 8gb
[19:21] <turmeric> 10/10 gives A lot ouf output especially bcs i am running rsync
[19:21] <cholcombe> oh ok that's not much
[19:22] <cholcombe> how many clients are connected to your mds?
[19:22] <cholcombe> oh rsync my favorite haha..
[19:22] <turmeric> atm just one, but I plan to connect like 8
[19:22] <turmeric> :D
[19:22] <cholcombe> rsync will stat shit to death
[19:22] <turmeric> what do you recommend in terms of specs?
[19:22] <cholcombe> that caused some hell on gluster also
[19:22] <cholcombe> i'm not certain. i don't have a good feel for the mds yet
[19:22] <turmeric> I have to do it, the initial bulk
[19:22] <turmeric> well, its a vm
[19:22] <turmeric> so I can just grow it if needed
[19:22] <cholcombe> gotcha
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[19:24] <cholcombe> turmeric, well there must be something that is causing it to fail over to the backup
[19:24] <cholcombe> turmeric, are these active/active or active/passive?
[19:24] <turmeric> yup
[19:24] <turmeric> active/passive
[19:24] <turmeric> I raised a bug aswell on the tracker, mds were getting killed for failed assertion
[19:24] <cholcombe> ok that would explain your log replay
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[19:24] <turmeric> but for now these types of errors are not showing anymore
[19:25] <cholcombe> i wonder if rsync is triggering it
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[19:25] <turmeric> Can be.
[19:25] <cholcombe> rsync does a stat and then a differential copy
[19:25] <cholcombe> turmeric, if you add more rsyncs does it make it worse?
[19:26] <turmeric> hell breaks loose with rsync
[19:26] <turmeric> Didnt try
[19:26] <cholcombe> yeah rsync tends to break things
[19:27] <darkfader> hehe
[19:27] <darkfader> that's like my tests in 2011/12
[19:28] <darkfader> one fast dd and a few small rsyncs
[19:28] <turmeric> I think cephfs is way lot stronger now
[19:28] <darkfader> sure, i understand now it's just a small bug on a strong base
[19:29] <darkfader> just :) because the same testing still works
[19:30] <turmeric> I just noticed i Was doing a rsync in a different folder
[19:30] <turmeric> and I thought ceph had just erased all my data
[19:30] <turmeric> -.-
[19:31] <darkfader> :>
[19:31] <turmeric> :D
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[19:32] <turmeric> anyway, ill have to debug these mds issues
[19:32] <turmeric> sigh
[19:34] <turmeric> do you guys have experience with gdb?
[19:36] <cholcombe> turmeric, i do
[19:36] <cholcombe> turmeric, however you're going to have trouble with gdb since the mds is likely multithreaded
[19:36] <cholcombe> i had a tough time with the osds getting it to follow the child threads
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[20:20] <cholcombe> anyone know if cephfs allows deep mounting?
[20:20] <cholcombe> i think it does but i'm not certain
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[20:23] <m0zes__> cholcombe: it does
[20:23] <cholcombe> m0zes__, thanks!
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