#ceph IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2016-05-01

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[1:39] <wernerru> hopefully someone can point me in the right direction re: mds error
[1:39] <wernerru> "mds.0.log Journal 300 is in unknown format 4294967295, does this MDS daemon require upgrade?"
[1:39] <wernerru> got everything updated to 10.2.0, restarted the mds one last time after everything was running, and now... that
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[8:53] <olqs> hi i have two bluestore osds which wont start anymore. http://pastebin.com/gbqwMhjx is there a possibility to repair the osds, or is the only way a zap an recreate?
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[12:21] <pinugs> Hello! Why ceph shows me a diffenet version? [root@ceph-admin ~]$ ceph --version ceph version 10.2.0 (3a9fba20ec743699b69bd0181dd6c54dc01c64b9) [root@ceph-admin ~]$ ceph ceph> version ceph version 9.2.1 (752b6a3020c3de74e07d2a8b4c5e48dab5a6b6fd)
[12:21] <pinugs> Is it a bug?
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[12:38] <- *raarts* ceph-deploy install bombs out on me: usermod: user ceph is currently used by process 1736
[12:38] <- *raarts* Google turns up nothing
[12:39] <- *raarts* except: you cannot usermod a logged in user, but that's exactly how ceph-deploy operates
[12:39] <- *raarts* Ubuntu 14.04
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[12:54] <- *raarts* worked around it by manually doing (as root user): apt-get install ca-certificates apt-transport-https
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[15:29] <realitysandwich> when I am setting up ceph can my admin node also be a storage node or do I need a seperate machine for each?
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[15:49] <flaf> realitysandwich: normally a storage node can be too the admin.
[15:49] <realitysandwich> are there any performace drawbacks to setting it up like this?
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[15:50] <flaf> realitysandwich: a admin node is just a node which has the keyring of "admin" account (and the good ssh private key to manage the others).
[15:50] <flaf> realitysandwich: I don't think so.
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[15:51] <realitysandwich> setting it up for an opennebula cluster, and also wondering if there would be any issues with makeing use of the storage on the opennebula machines and adding them as nodes to the ceph cluster
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[15:52] <flaf> realitysandwich: I'm not a ceph expert but for me there no reason concerning the questions of perf.
[15:52] <flaf> *there is
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[15:56] <realitysandwich> flaf: thanks, will give it a try I guess and see how it performs :)
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[18:06] <via> are the db and wal for bluestore stored in an fs or raw block device? the config file example uses paths to block devices, but i thought it was supposed to be on an fs
[18:06] <via> e.g. a small xfs that has the db and wal, block device for data
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[19:08] <via> i've replaced one of my osd's with a new bluestore one but it will not come up. i ceph osd rm'd and created it again, but it shows as down regardless
[19:08] <via> last line that the osd gives is 2016-05-01 13:06:44.837359 7f5bf4586800 0 osd.13 98685 done with init, starting boot process
[19:09] <via> other than the mon showing the crush-create-or-move command that osd.13 issues, is there any way i can debug why this is happening?
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[19:26] <grauzikas> Hello, i`m creating private cloud and searching storage solution for it, i`m planning to use two raid controllers 12gb/s (thinking about lsi 9361-8i) and to each of it connect 8 512gb ssd disdks (in total 16), i`m planning to use some 10gbps (and 40gbe uplink) switch and connect to it 12 servers (with lag) and ceph to 40gbe uplink (with lag), does ceph will support my configuration? may be some
[19:26] <grauzikas> one who already tryed to do it can give me some comments on required hardware or configurations?
[19:26] <grauzikas> today there already is m.2 may be there is possibility to cache even ssd array with m.2
[19:29] <monsted> grauzikas: that seems like a very common ceph deployment
[19:30] <monsted> M.2 by itself doesn't really say too much about speeds, but sure, you could cache your SSDs with an NVMe drive or two
[19:31] <monsted> note that most (all?) M.2 drives are consumer junk and they'll wear out quickly if you write a lot to them
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[19:36] <darkfader> monsted: ack, i can also see using nvme-cli that my 950pro never cleanly flushes on shutdown
[19:37] <darkfader> those might be good for static tiny web content or other high-bw read only cases
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[19:37] <darkfader> fun to have one in the server and make cool things with it, but shouldn't go anywhere near a ceph cache etc
[19:39] <darkfader> grauzikas: there's a 2.5" nvme-interfaced model of the intel dc p3x00 and also some nice ones from hgst (sn100 i know of)
[19:40] <darkfader> but you need to make sure the servers you buy have a nvme-compatible backplane, at least a few slots, or you use a pcie-slot-based model
[19:40] <monsted> the consumer NVMe drives would probably be fine for a while as a ZFS cache device, but not as something that gets written heavily
[19:40] <darkfader> m.2 really nogo, and double caching is also probably useless
[19:41] <darkfader> monsted: at least zfs can cleanly remove them, ack :)
[19:41] <monsted> yeah, if it dies, no big deal
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[20:08] <grauzikas> so ceph will easy handle my configuraition? no need to search for hardware solutions?
[20:08] <grauzikas> thank you :)
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[20:11] <grauzikas> when ill make tests i think ill post them there
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[23:15] <jidar> monsted: do you have any reference data on the m2 == consumer junk comment?
[23:16] <jidar> afaik, all SSDs just change the interleave for writes, in effect only changing how much 'spare' blocks they keep for wear leveling
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[23:17] <jidar> so basically the difference between a "enterprise" ssd and a "consumer" ssd is that there's just more spare blocks on the enterprise drive
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[23:17] <jidar> oh that and a firmware that gives it the opportunity to be in a raid
[23:18] <monsted> jidar: i haven't seen anything with an endurance rating better than ~35 GB/day
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[23:18] <monsted> there's the very important difference that many enterprise drives are MLC or SLC flash, while nearly all consumer ones are TLC
[23:19] <jidar> I'm under the impression most all enterprise SSDs are now MLC
[23:19] <jidar> the same as consumer
[23:19] <monsted> most consumer is TLC now.
[23:20] <darkfader> 'eMLC' != MLC :)
[23:20] <jidar> again, totally welcome to any of this being backed up with data
[23:20] <monsted> http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/solid-state-drives/ssd-750-spec.html - MLC and 70 GB/day
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[23:23] <monsted> 950 PRO is V-NAND, which is TLC but larger process node. it's rated at 220 GB/day.
[23:23] <jidar> MLC drive
[23:24] <jidar> er, the linked intel drive is MLC
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[23:24] <monsted> did you read where i specifically said that it's MLC?
[23:24] <monsted> riiiiight next to the link to the spec sheet?
[23:24] <jidar> lol
[23:24] <jidar> yes you twat I read it
[23:25] <jidar> right after you said most drives are TLC now
[23:25] <monsted> one of the million consumer SSDs is a MLC. i think that still qualifies as "most"
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[23:26] <darkfader> jidar: can you keep your tone a bit like it's supposed to be in a large tech channel, please?
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[23:29] <jidar> darkfader: would that be an evidence based channel?
[23:29] <darkfader> jidar: look he was trying to help you understand something and your behavior is so hard to take that myself i just deleted what i was going to say
[23:30] <monsted> the majority of the M.2 are junk SATA stuff, anyway. whatever flash type it uses, it's still useless for the original design.
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[23:30] <darkfader> we're not here to fill your gaps, we try and if it is met by being rude you please just go somewhere else and don't come back till you learn to act with some manners
[23:31] <darkfader> you can read a few dozen enterprise ssd reviews at storagereview.com if you wanna do it on your own
[23:31] <darkfader> and also some press releases about v-nand clones by most major vendors
[23:31] <darkfader> and you're on ignore as of now
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[23:53] <via> is there any way to debug why a replaced osd is not being reported up?
[23:53] <via> i replaced one with bluestore, it starts up fine, i ceph osd rm'd it and recreated it
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[23:59] <TMM> jidar, calling someone a 'twat' is not conductive to any conversation. If you must know the main difference between consumer and enterprise ssds is the addition of some extra circuitry to ensure that with a catastrophic power failure the ssd's internal metadata can always be flushed to the nand storage.
[23:59] <TMM> jidar, the actual flash chips are almost always the same, except for the 'write optimized' enterprise ssds.

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