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IRC Log for 2016-04-25

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[0:01] <pocketjokerz> let me grab on
[0:02] <_{Tite}_> I guess it's important to know you need to do a ceph-deploy purgedata and a forgetkeys
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[0:02] <_{Tite}_> even a purge , before doing the new and install commands
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[0:08] <pocketjokerz> http://pastebin.com/KYM4YgWj
[0:10] <_{Tite}_> did the purgedata and forgetkeys go well before running the install ?
[0:11] <pocketjokerz> i think that worked
[0:11] <pocketjokerz> i had to uninstalled
[0:11] <pocketjokerz> then purge
[0:11] <pocketjokerz> ahhh darn it
[0:11] <pocketjokerz> i though it was working but then same error
[0:12] <_{Tite}_> doesnt look good
[0:13] <_{Tite}_> you did uninstall ceph and ceph-common ... then purge ... then the new, then change the config, then the install
[0:13] <pocketjokerz> almost will do all from scrach
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[0:14] <_{Tite}_> almost
[0:16] <pocketjokerz> what would i need to change in the ceph.conf?
[0:17] <_{Tite}_> the default pool size , if you have less than 3 osds I believe it is ..
[0:17] <_{Tite}_> and the public network
[0:17] <_{Tite}_> I use that one: http://docs.ceph.com/docs/master/start/quick-ceph-deploy
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[0:22] <pocketjokerz> i gotta run but i appreciate the help.
[0:23] <_{Tite}_> np
[0:23] <_{Tite}_> I hope you get to nail it
[0:23] <pocketjokerz> http://pastebin.com/myZUuemv
[0:23] <pocketjokerz> better log post
[0:23] <pocketjokerz> but i still gotta run
[0:23] <_{Tite}_> k
[0:23] <pocketjokerz> its some sort of dpkg issue
[0:24] <_{Tite}_> yup
[0:24] <_{Tite}_> that's best fixed locally
[0:25] <_{Tite}_> trying to run the command on each machine
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[4:04] <pocketjokerz> guys i am having an issue i dont really understand
[4:04] <pocketjokerz> if i used this command and then install it works right
[4:04] <pocketjokerz> echo deb http://ceph.com/debian-dumpling/ $(lsb_release -sc) main | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ceph.list
[4:05] <pocketjokerz> but if you use the hammer release i get dpkg errors and it wont install
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[4:06] <pocketjokerz> http://pastebin.com/myZUuemv
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[4:15] <pocketjokerz> exit
[4:15] <pocketjokerz> doh!
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[4:19] <pocketjokerz> hmmmm installed an older ceph-deploy 1.5.25 specifically and all my problems went away.
[4:20] <pocketjokerz> errr .28 rather
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[9:23] <Be-El> question about jewel upgrade: we have a cluster running hammer and a bunch of new machines that should replace the existing machines. I don't want to upgrade the existing ones to jewel; the new ones can either be installed with hammer and updated later (adding some extra effort), or installed with jewel from the beginning
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[9:24] <Be-El> is it possible to update the mon of the existing cluster to jewel, install the new machines with jewel and transfer the data from the old machines still running hammer (having a mix of hammer and jewel OSDs during the transfer)?
[9:25] <T1w> Be-El: my gut feeling is that it is entirely unsupported..
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[9:27] <T1w> Be-El: but if you do not experience failures and other nasty errors during the data migration I'd say I was worth a shot
[9:27] <Be-El> unfortunately my gut feeling points to the same direction. so the safe way will be installing the new machines with hammer, phasing out the old one, and then upgrade to jewel
[9:27] <T1w> at least make sure to update all MONs to Jewel first
[9:27] <T1w> yes..
[9:27] <T1w> It makes for an interesting test, but..
[9:28] <T1w> I fear that you'd run into some form of gremlins on your way
[9:28] <Be-El> gremlins are cute ;-)
[9:29] <Be-El> but i'll stick to the safe way, even if it adds some extra effort.
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[9:29] <T1w> I am afraid that your cluster would be one giant after midnight snack.. ;)
[9:30] <Be-El> and some broken water cooling....
[9:30] <Be-El> but thx for confirming. it might also be a good idea to wait for the first jewel point release
[9:30] <T1w> something close to a few olympic sized swimming pools, yes..
[9:30] <T1w> ha!
[9:30] <T1w> yes
[9:31] <T1w> exactyl what I thought when I read the release notes
[9:31] <T1w> especially since it's from a LTS version to a new LTS version
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[11:38] <Kdecherf> is there any recommandation on controller cache configuration for storage nodes without any hardware raid configured? (each disk is used independently)
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[11:55] <nils_> Kdecherf, is it battery/capacitor backed?
[11:56] <Kdecherf> nils_: yes
[11:57] <nils_> Kdecherf, I'd just use it as a writeback cache like one would with using RAID
[11:58] <Kdecherf> nils_: ok thx
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[12:08] <Be-El> using centos7 and manully setup osd (ceph-disk prepare + ceph-disk activate), how do I enable osd start at boot time?
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[13:31] <stein> i have an issue with ceph-deploy not being able to update ceph.repo. It conflicts with the existing file
[13:31] <stein> (upgrading from hammer->jewel)
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[13:38] <sep> are there any way to make xfs quit and give up on a disk that is dead and removed from the machine hours ago ?
[13:38] <sep> message " [744077.928335] XFS (sdm1): metadata I/O error: block 0x1081434e8 ("xfs_trans_read_buf_map") error 19 numblks 16 ;; [744077.928382] XFS (sdm1): xfs_imap_to_bp: xfs_trans_read_buf() returned error 19. ;; keeps on looping on dmesg and messages all the time.
[13:38] <sep> even tho sdm is gone
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[13:41] <Heebie> sep: Sounds like a bad block on the disk. Did you destroy the OSD involved, or just stop using it? The OSD process will keep trying to access the disk if it's still running, I think.
[13:41] <Heebie> Does anyone know how much it would cost for CEPH training from Red Hat / Inktank?
[13:42] <sep> osd is stopped. and i tried umounting it. but that never returned .
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[13:42] <sep> disk was dead tho so the osd had allready failed. and the device is gone from the system
[13:43] <Kvisle> maybe umount -l?
[13:46] <Heebie> umount -fl ?
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[13:51] <sep> tried them both
[13:52] <sep> well i did -l but the mount command did not return
[13:52] <sep> but the disk was umounted so i can not umount it again
[13:52] <sep> but xfs is still stuck looping that error message
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[14:05] <Heebie> mount -fl will force it to umount in lazy fashion. the XFS modules are apparently still trying to access a disk that isn't there.
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[14:15] <sep> hard to run umount when the mountpoint is unmounted allready (mountpoint not found) and the device is gone.
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[14:28] <Heebie> You might have to reboot the machine to fix that. :(
[14:30] <darkfader> Heebie: in pre-RH days the ceph training was OK priced, idk now
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[14:32] <boolman> I'm having trouble upgrading from infernalis to jewel, http://pastebin.com/BrHVM52X , here is output from ceph mds dump and the upstart log
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[14:46] <PoRNo-MoRoZ> what is the best way to move osd (disk physically) between nodes ? "> osd set noout > stop osd > umount > physically move disk > start osd via udev rules > fix crush map" is ok ?
[14:47] <PoRNo-MoRoZ> unset noout after :D
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[15:19] <Gugge-47527> PoRNo-MoRoZ: that should be okay, just remember it will move a lot of data around, and for some time the only copy of some data could be on two osd's on the new node
[15:19] <Gugge-47527> the best way would be to empty the osd first, set it out, or reweight it to 0
[15:21] <Heebie> Definitely a good idea to shift the data off an OSD before you move it.
[15:22] <Heebie> Thanks darkfader. Hopefully it's still reasonable. I saw a course for ???2,375, but that seemed to be specific to using it with OpenStack.
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[15:27] <darkfader> Heebie: let me know if you don't find a suitable basic course
[15:28] <darkfader> i mean basic as in not focussed on other applications interfacing into ceph :)
[15:28] <Heebie> darkfader: Do you teach one? onsite in European capital cities?
[15:28] <Heebie> :)
[15:28] <darkfader> Heebie: i used to, if there's a gap i could dust it off
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[15:29] <darkfader> but it'd take me lots of planning so uh, ideally just if we find that noone does it at the moment
[15:29] <Heebie> All I need right now is pricing guidelines.. no commitment to buy in yet. LONG ROAD! (in case you haven't noticed how long I've been hanging out in this channel!)
[15:30] <darkfader> Heebie: i'll research it tonight and come back to you, might be just a reference to a class that looks really good to me, or a price :)
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[15:31] <darkfader> seems there's a good choice in the US by now and just 1 or 2 over here
[15:32] <darkfader> Heebie: so how long you've been lurking in here then, i'm not sure! :)
[15:35] <tafelpoot> A little question, I seem to not be able to find something in the documentation but is there a way to have a timestamp when an object has been put on the cluster?
[15:39] <tafelpoot> I want to be able to list all pools older then a specific age, so if I'm able to get the age of a pool, I can do some bash foo to make a selection based on that age
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[16:06] <boolman> how do i remove and mds properly? I have replaced my two mds servers with two new ones. ( just by stopping destroying the vm's ) but im guessing this is wrong. since they both say "standby for rank 0"
[16:07] <boolman> eg: 386085:10.0.0.10:6805/19663 'ceph-mds04' mds.0.118 up:active seq 972918 (standby for rank 0)
[16:07] <PoRNo-MoRoZ> thanks
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[16:10] <Walex> tafelpoot: http://docs.ceph.com/docs/master/rados/api/librados/#api-calls shows that the only native attributes available for an object are size and modification time.
[16:10] <m0zes> boolman: if the new ones are standby, the cluster seems to think the old one(s) are still there. if that is the case, you can fail the "active" mds with a 'ceph mds fail 0'
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[16:11] <m0zes> the mdsmap should add/remove mds servers that are up/down automatically, save for the last one, because the cluster can't know for sure if the mds has failed or if it just missed a couple heartbeats.
[16:13] <boolman> m0zes: the mds cluster is working fine, but like you see there "standby for rank 0". My actual problem is the upgrade from infernalis to jewel, and its complaining about mds
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[16:19] <boolman> and what does actually 'ceph mds fail 0' do... fail id 0? rank 0? who do i know which node that is
[16:20] <boolman> how*
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[16:26] <m0zes> fails rank 0
[16:27] <boolman> ceph mds dump -fjson-pretty was a helpful command
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[16:41] <Heebie> darkfader: at least a year, probably well over that, on & off.
[16:42] <Heebie> darkfader: and thanks for looking that pricing up. Even if I get pricing from Red Hat, it would be nice to have two prices to put in for comparison's sake.
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[16:53] <rkeene> I made a picture: http://www.rkeene.org/viewer/tmp/ceph-io-1.png.htm
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[16:54] <joelio> are people able to apply rulesets ok in Jewel, got 2 clusters I've brought up to it and come to add some tiering and each one sends the cluster mon hunting
[16:55] <joelio> same setup on infernalis I could, but that was with default tuneables
[16:55] <joelio> only updates have been to set to 'hammer' tunables (4.4 kernel you see..)
[16:55] <joelio> and the jewel upgrade
[16:56] <joelio> everything works fine crushmap side reinjection works fine etc
[16:57] <joelio> wondering if I've tuned up too far, something missing there or if it's more subtle
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[17:13] <joelio> yea, segfault :( 2016-04-25 16:12:49.063097 7f451f724700 -1 *** Caught signal (Segmentation fault) **
[17:13] <joelio> in thread 7f451f724700 thread_name:ms_dispatch
[17:14] <joelio> just tried dropping the tunables down to firefly (minimal needed), no change
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[17:24] <omricom> Hi! Our ceph cluster went down (33 osd). Monitor is up. When issuing ceph osd tree it states tha som osd:s are up! But the processes are down??? How can I correct it? Starting an osd resulting in a dump???
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[17:30] <joelio> ah, bingo!
[17:31] <joelio> I reordered the ids properly
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[17:40] <omricom> Why does ???ceph osd tree??? say that an OSD is up when it is down?
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[18:27] <omricom> Why does ???ceph osd tree??? say that an OSD is up when it is down?
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[18:38] <Kdecherf> is there a way to monitor disk space usage of journal (when it's a raw device)?
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[18:44] <m0zes> Kdecherf: what do you mean. when using a raw device, it uses the whole partition. like a ring buffer.
[18:45] <m0zes> you could always look at the performance dump. ceph daemon osd.0 perf dump
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[18:46] <Kdecherf> m0zes: my concern is to know if there is a risk of space exhaustion on journal raw devices or not
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[18:47] <m0zes> there is no risk of exhaustion. if it gets full, it forces a flush to the osd, which frees up the old entries for more writes to the journal
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[18:48] <m0zes> you could also keep an eye on the journal_full parameter in the perf dump
[18:49] <Kdecherf> ok, thanks
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[18:50] <m0zes> it flushes at least filestore_max_sync_interval seconds (defaults to 5), and at most filestore_min_sync_interval seconds (0.01).
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[18:53] <m0zes> if you truly want to make sure it is large enough, you'd give it a size of 2 * filestore_max_sync_interval * max write rate of osd. 5GB (the default) is good enough for most osds. good ssds (or *fast* spinners) might need more.
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[19:05] <omricom> When starting OSD it says its on the wrong node???
[19:06] <omricom> And it rfuses to start???
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[19:24] <aarontc> Just throwing this out there - has anyone using CephFS looked at ways to accomplish a file-level "read-ahead"?
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[19:25] <wwdillingham> does rbd default features = 125 in my ceph.conf enable all that is needed for rbd-mirroring? I would like to by default enable layering,exclusive lock, and journaling. Where can i find the numbering that corresponds to the feature? Also can i do something like rbd_default_features = journaling,exclusive,layering in my conf, which I would prefer?
[19:26] <vasu> wwdillingham: you dont have to use the numbering anymore, the comma separated feature name can be used and is more clear
[19:26] <vasu> oh i see you meant in ceph.conf, i am not sure about that
[19:27] <wwdillingham> Yes, I dont want to have to rely on setting it for each rbd creation, rather, it happen automatically
[19:27] <vasu> but I think 125 is accurate, let me give you the doc reference
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[19:32] <wwdillingham> Thanks, the only docu i can find on the numerical representation of the feature is here: http://www.sebastien-han.fr/blog/2015/07/06/ceph-enable-the-object-map-feature/
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[19:32] <vasu> wwdillingham: the newer document actually removed the reference to numbering all together but i guess it can still be used in conf http://docs.ceph.com/docs/master/man/8/rbd/
[19:33] <wwdillingham> but the 125 feature desribed in the documentation here: http://docs.ceph.com/docs/master/rbd/rbd-mirroring/#image-configuration doesnt appear to be the summation of any of the possible feature id's
[19:33] <vasu> I will raise a tracker to see if we can just use the naming in conf, that should be the right thing
[19:33] <wwdillingham> so unsure of what 125 is
[19:33] <wwdillingham> vasu: thanks, that would be great.
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[19:33] <vasu> if you look at the older doc you will get the idea http://docs.ceph.com/docs/hammer/man/8/rbd/
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[19:33] <vasu> look at --image-features
[19:34] <vasu> . The numbers from the desired features below should be added to compute the parameter value:
[19:34] <vasu> +1: layering support +2: striping v2 support +4: exclusive locking support +8: object map support
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[19:36] <wwdillingham> vasu: that helps but what is the number for journaling (which is required for rbd-mirror)?
[19:36] <vasu> yeah the newer doc has no reference, will need a fix
[19:37] <vasu> probaby you can quickly create one in cli with that format
[19:37] <vasu> and verify using rbd info
[19:37] <vasu> just to be sure
[19:37] <wwdillingham> vasu: thats a good idea, I will do that for now
[19:37] <wwdillingham> ty
[19:37] <vasu> np, yw
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[20:39] <PoRNo-MoRoZ> is that possible to force degraded repair ?
[20:39] <PoRNo-MoRoZ> is that possible to force 'degraded' repair ?
[20:39] <PoRNo-MoRoZ> currently i got both degraded and misplaced
[20:40] <PoRNo-MoRoZ> and a way more misplaced
[20:51] <evelu> PoRNo-MoRoZ, nothing related but your nick, said in french is very fun
[20:53] <davidz> PoRNo-MoRoZ: My understanding is that when degraded the PG should be trying to recover. You can't repair until recovery is complete most likely it'll getting PG to active+clean.
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[20:54] <PoRNo-MoRoZ> okay
[20:54] <PoRNo-MoRoZ> my nick is really really old
[20:54] <PoRNo-MoRoZ> when i was really really young :D
[20:55] <PoRNo-MoRoZ> looks like i'm still gonna wait full rebalance to make sure there is no degraded
[20:55] <PoRNo-MoRoZ> anyone monitoring ceph with zabbix ?
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[21:24] <wwdillingham> reading over the jewel release notes I see the following: After upgrading, users should set the ???sortbitwise??? flag to enable the new internal object sort order:
[21:24] <wwdillingham> ceph osd set sortbitwise??? my cluster (when i type ceph status) already shows: flags sortbitwise does that mean, this is already set and I need not make any change?
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