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IRC Log for 2016-04-23

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[0:00] <ben3> TMM: are you using copper cables back to switches?
[0:00] <TMM> yeah
[0:00] <TMM> cheaper switches, more expensive cables, we needed a lot of cables
[0:00] <TMM> err, other way around
[0:00] <ben3> qsfp copper cables are surprisingly cheap
[0:01] <TMM> yeah, but we couldn't get the lengths
[0:01] <ben3> yeah length is a concern
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[0:01] <ben3> you're using ethernet rather than infiniband?
[0:01] <TMM> it worked out the cheapest, I don't have the details right now
[0:01] <TMM> yeah, ethernet, 2x10gbit
[0:02] <TMM> just an lacp bond
[0:02] <ben3> oh i thought you were going 40gbe
[0:02] <TMM> err, I misspoke, we have 4x10gbit in the new cluster
[0:02] <ben3> ahh
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[0:03] <TMM> those are a little different, the new cluster (new dc) is staring out as 5x48disk osds
[0:03] <TMM> 4x10gbit, 256gb of ram per node, 20 cores (40 threads)
[0:03] <TMM> 15 ssds/43 sata spinners per node
[0:03] <TMM> err I can't math, 15 ssds/33sata spinners (duh)
[0:04] <TMM> still benchmarking the setup. Don't know yet if the ssds will just be a cache pool for a pure sata spinner ec pool backend, or if the ssds will be journal drives
[0:05] <TMM> I've read mixed reviews on the situation
[0:05] <ben3> are you running multiple sas controllers?
[0:05] <ben3> high density is such a headache
[0:05] <TMM> it's a single sas controller
[0:06] <ben3> with sas expander hmm
[0:06] <ben3> doing 8 sas lanes?
[0:06] <TMM> 5 of these : https://www.supermicro.com/products/system/2U/2028/SSG-2028R-E1CR48N.cfm
[0:06] <ben3> i suppose you'd be network-bound anyway
[0:07] <TMM> looks like 8x6
[0:07] <TMM> yeah, I'm not terribly worried about the disk bandwith
[0:07] <TMM> especially with the spinners
[0:07] <ben3> what 2.5" spinners are you using?
[0:07] <TMM> seagate 2tb drives
[0:07] <TMM> 7.2K
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[0:08] <ben3> ahh i didn't know seagate made 2tb 2.5" drives
[0:08] <ben3> are they "enterprise" drives?
[0:09] <TMM> http://www.seagate.com/nl/nl/products/enterprise-servers-storage/nearline-storage/enterprise-capacity-2-5-hdd/?sku=ST2000NX0403
[0:09] <TMM> They weren't terribly expensive
[0:09] <ben3> ahh cool
[0:09] <ben3> yeah i just never heard of them
[0:10] <ben3> i reckon 2.5" is a way better standard
[0:10] <ben3> i think home desktops should shift to 2.5" for hard-disks too
[0:12] <TMM> Yeah, we were considering these: http://www.supermicro.com/products/chassis/4U/946/SC946ED-R2KJBOD.cfm
[0:12] <TMM> but the drive power usage and higher latencies just weren't really worth it
[0:13] <TMM> it's cheaper though
[0:13] <TMM> those chassis only cost around 2000 usd
[0:14] <TMM> the drives are (way) cheaper per gb too
[0:14] <ben3> Why so much RAM?
[0:15] <TMM> 81TB of storage per box
[0:15] <TMM> 2gb per tb
[0:15] <TMM> next round number is 256GB
[0:15] <TMM> recommended ram amount per osd is 2-4gb
[0:16] <TMM> (per tb)
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[0:18] <ben3> ahh that is quite a lot of storage
[0:19] <ben3> and ddr4 makes 16gb sticks cheap
[0:19] <TMM> yeah
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[0:21] <TMM> I think we ended up with the 32gb modules though, to keep some room for potential expansion
[0:21] <TMM> wasn't much more expensive
[0:21] <ben3> ahh
[0:21] <ben3> sweet :)
[0:21] <TMM> the 64gb modules are though
[0:22] <ben3> 40gbe isn't much more expensive too :)
[0:22] <TMM> well, different motherboards required
[0:22] <ben3> but switches argh
[0:22] <TMM> these things already have 4x10gbit ports
[0:22] <ben3> ahh true
[0:22] <TMM> and they are 2u
[0:22] <TMM> so, still 2 ports per u, didn't cost us anything
[0:23] <TMM> some cables
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[0:31] <TMM> I'm not really sure what performance we can get out of this setup though, but I'm fairly sure it can take the projected minimum we need
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[0:35] <ben3> i don't think it should have issues congesting your network :)
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[0:39] <TMM> no
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[0:39] <TMM> well, it could theoretically do 72gbit
[0:39] <TMM> of raw disk bandwidth
[0:40] <TMM> (6 * 12gbit for the sas lanes)
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[0:40] <TMM> in practice that won't really happen I imagine :)
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[1:00] <ben3> i wonder how much lz4 compression would help with people with slower networks like 10gbe
[1:00] <ben3> and gbe
[1:02] <ben3> i suspect it'd be a win on 10gbe with fast cpu's, gbe always, and worse for 40gbe etc
[1:05] <diq> whitebox 40gbe switches are really cheap for your back-end network
[1:05] <diq> wouldn't connect them to anything else though ;)
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[1:14] <diq> can't wait for some Jericho based whitebox switches
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[1:15] <diq> (non-Arista)
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[11:36] <getup> hi, i just upgraded a test system from hammer to jewel and when i use radosgw-admin bucket list i get an error: error creating default zone params: (17) File exists, am i missing a configuration somewhere perhaps?
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[11:47] <dhx> how much data migration can i expect when changing from bobtail to hammer tunables, and how should the osd_backfill options be set to minimize the impact for client-io. (I have found some contradicting opinions about that)
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[12:22] <PoRNo-MoRoZ> guys, i know that my pool holds really not so much data as 'df -h' reports on osds
[12:23] <PoRNo-MoRoZ> i'm using btrfs and found 'snap folders' in osd
[12:23] <PoRNo-MoRoZ> i'm also disabled snaps in ceph.conf
[12:23] <PoRNo-MoRoZ> can i safely remove that folders ?
[12:23] <PoRNo-MoRoZ> looks like it's not modified since day, then i'm disabled snaps
[12:23] <PoRNo-MoRoZ> *then=when
[12:23] <PoRNo-MoRoZ> *i'm=i
[12:23] <PoRNo-MoRoZ> :D
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[14:16] <PoRNo-MoRoZ> well i made an experiment on my test lab .. made an osd formatted in btrfs, added some data on it. osd folder now contains actual data in 'current' folder and some 'snapshots' folders; then i disabled snaps in ceph.conf via 'filestore_btrfs_snap = false', restarted osd and tried to delete snap folders
[14:16] <PoRNo-MoRoZ> i can successfully delete contents, but not folder itself
[14:16] <PoRNo-MoRoZ> i made an scrub and deep-scrub
[14:16] <PoRNo-MoRoZ> and nothing happens
[14:16] <PoRNo-MoRoZ> is that means that data is ok ?
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[14:28] <PoRNo-MoRoZ> i should redo this with md5 checking
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[14:48] <getup> hi, any thoughts on what the following error could be caused by? error creating default zone params: (17) File exists
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[21:37] <boolman> im having trouble upgrading from infernalis to jewel
[21:38] <boolman> http://pastebin.com/u9JtqeGn
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[21:55] <boolman> hm do i need to upgrade daemons on all nodes before restarting
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[22:05] <m0zes> you're supposed to upgrade all monitors, followed by all osds, followed by radosgw/mds, followed by clients.
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[22:07] <boolman> yes but since the first monitor i tried it on, won't come up.. i dont want to continue
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[22:12] <m0zes> ahh, thats a monitor complaining about the mdsmap. that isn't comforting...
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[22:13] <boolman> yeah
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