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IRC Log for 2016-04-18

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[0:07] <post-factum> does bluestore support trim/discard?
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[4:15] <igi> I confuse about osd disable journal aio with none-block journal. What is the reason for ?
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[7:49] <adun153> Hi, is there an officially supported method or script for backing up Ceph cluster content?
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[8:01] <IvanJobs> igi, for performance concern I think.
[8:02] <IvanJobs> adun153, use another data center for backup? If I remember it right, using rgw for tow dc sync. you can do some search on this.
[8:04] <adun153> IvanJobs,
[8:04] <adun153> What if there is no other data center?
[8:04] <adun153> also, what is "tow dc"?
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[8:05] <igi> IvanJobs: Journal aio will speed up the ceph cluster whatever using block journal or non-block journal. Am I right?
[8:07] <igi> adun153: What is your cluster use for? Block device or Object Store?
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[8:08] <adun153> igi: Both, but mostly for Block Devices.
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[8:10] <igi> adun153: So if there is no other cluster for backup, you can create a snopshot or copy your rbd.
[8:11] <adun153> igi: Can you point me to a document where I can find the instructions for that?
[8:12] <igi> adun153: http://docs.ceph.com/docs/master/man/8/rbd/#examples
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[8:13] <igi> adun153: http://docs.ceph.com/docs/master/rbd/rbd-snapshot/
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[8:15] <adun153> igi: Thanks. Can I then export the RBD Snapshot to a separate backup server? Let's say an NFS server.
[8:15] <IvanJobs> igi, I don't quite understand what you mean by block journal and non-block journal. can u provide some link to explain this in ceph?
[8:15] <adun153> I guess my main question is Disaster Recovery: What stuff should I back up, and how is it done?
[8:16] <IvanJobs> Snaps are still in the same cluster, and it is not suit for truly backup stuffs I think.
[8:17] <igi> IvanJobs: I got some log like this: journal FileJournal::_open: disabling aio for non-block journal. Use journal_force_aio to force use of aio anyway
[8:17] <adun153> IvanJobs: I am thinking of what if the admin account gets compromised, and a malicious person deletes all of the cluster content.
[8:17] <IvanJobs> journal aio use libaio lib, so it can make more throughput I think.
[8:18] <adun153> What are things I need to do to perform a data rebuild?
[8:19] <igi> IvanJobs: non-block journal mean my osd journal is a normal file, block journal mean osd journal is a block device, like a partition of a disk
[8:19] <Miouge> adun153: how about ???rbd export-diff??? ? One could use that for DR no?
[8:19] <IvanJobs> adun153, that is a hard question to answer for all data store solutions I think.
[8:20] <igi> IvanJobs: Yep, it can make more throughput, so i don't known why disable it for non-block journal
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[8:28] <igi> adun153: you must export rbd and its snapshot for backup, not only the snapshot.
[8:30] <adun153> igi: So you are saying I can export RBD images to an external flash drive/hard disk?
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[8:34] <igi> adun153: Yes, you can export image to file
[8:35] <igi> adun153: just read rbd command manpage
[8:36] <igi> adun153: but i don't think it can help you for backup your whole cluster...
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[8:37] <IvanJobs> igi, I guess maybe aio is not suit for file based journal. Truly speaking, I don't know either. I just searched something for the differences between file io and block device io, and I did not find anything. Both use POSIX interface right? or maybe block journal use more native interface of block device?
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[8:38] <adun153> ihi, thanks for all the help and insights. :)
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[8:44] <post-factum> does bluestore support trim/discard for underlying ssd devices?
[8:45] <motk> good question
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[8:47] <post-factum> :)
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[8:49] <motk> I think it's been on the list
[8:49] <igi> IvanJobs: i will learn more about it and thank you all the same.
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[9:11] <IvanJobs> you're welcome.
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[9:15] <post-factum> motk: where could i check the state of this feature?
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[12:44] <sep> huawei fusion storage, uses components named like "virtual block storage (vsb) object storage device (osd) uses 3 metadata mangers (mdc);; does anyone know if it is a variant of ceph ? or something they built themselfs ?
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[13:40] <annie> Hi all,
[13:40] <annie> I have troubled getting radosgw to start
[13:40] <annie> when I go with the debug commands, I can see a lot of RGWDataChangesLog::ChangesRenewThread: start
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[13:55] <annie> anybody ?
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[14:20] <annie> anyone knows about radosgw?
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[14:25] <mnaser> I'm seeing high "w_await" times in kvm machines for writes, howver, my journals have a w_await of 0.0Xs .. how can i identify the root cause
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[14:35] <The1w> mnaser: network latency? a single KVM write has to be written to all OSDs and travel across the cluster network N times where N is the number of copies your pool has
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[14:36] <mnaser> The1w: network latency (when i ping from host to ceph node is 0.100ms)
[14:36] <mnaser> do the three writes happen serially?
[14:36] <mnaser> if they don't, the network shouldn't be introducing more than 0.100ms latency
[14:37] <The1w> it gets written to the first (primary) PG
[14:38] <The1w> then it gets written to the other OSDs, but I can't remember the flow diagrams as wether or not it's in parallel or serial
[14:38] <mnaser> so write to primary pg and then through replication/back network to others
[14:38] <The1w> .. and after the primary OSD gets acks from the other OSDs the client gets an ack and the write is completed
[14:38] <The1w> yes
[14:39] <The1w> it's explained in detail in the docs
[14:39] <mnaser> thing is, we're talking about consistent spikes of over 20 ms and sometimes up to 1000 ms to service writes
[14:40] <mnaser> so i mean no matter how much the network latency is.. that's too high :x
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[14:45] <davidb> Hi everyone
[14:46] <smerz> mnaser, you're looking at 3x network latency at the minimum + max journal latency. client -> osd a -> $( -> osd b && -> osd c)
[14:47] <smerz> this is with copies 3
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[14:47] <smerz> if any of the osd's journal has latency the write will suffer that same latency. (the maximum latency of the three journal writes)
[14:49] <smerz> perhaps the "spread" among osd's isn't perfect. another possible cause
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[14:54] <mnaser> smerz: all my journal drivse are showing 0.0x w_await times though, that's the confusing part
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[14:54] <mnaser> i use to have crappy evo's, replaced them all by 240gb s3710's
[14:54] <mnaser> so the writes are really good
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[14:57] <mnaser> I just ran iostat with a 60s average, w_await across my three journal drives is ~0.54ms .. the kvm guest .. 50.51
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[14:58] <mnaser> second run, 50ms in kvm, 0.44s on journals
[14:59] <mnaser> *ms
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[14:59] <mnaser> cpu usage on storage nodes is 2.46%, ~15% on compute node and ~5% in the kvm node
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[15:35] <davidb> Hi Everyone, is there a way to get the information of IOps BY rbd volumes ?
[15:35] <davidb> I m looking for a solution that could point us which RBD volume is doing more I/Os than others. (in order to determine which VM has a consequent impact on our infrastructure.)
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[16:33] <devicenull> how do I figure out wtf 'Error EINVAL: (22) Invalid argument' means?
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[16:33] <devicenull> I'm trying to do ceph osd crush add
[16:34] <devicenull> nm, was missing = between 'root default'
[16:34] <neurodrone> That happens when it doesn???t find the config or your auth key.
[16:34] <neurodrone> Cool, that was an easier one then.
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[17:14] <technil> We have recovered from a whole node failure in one of our clusters, but that node ran one of three mons.
[17:14] <technil> I have deployed a replacement mon, and it _looks_ ok, but had two warnings on the ceph deploy mon create.
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[17:15] <technil> we are running firefly 0.80.11 and ceph deploy 1.4.0 on ubuntu 14.04
[17:16] <technil> all pgs are active+clean or active+clean+scrubbing+deep
[17:17] <etienneme> What are the warning? Your pg are OK
[17:18] <technil> HEALTH_WARN 1 mons down, quorum 0,1,3 btvceph01,btvceph02,btvceph05
[17:18] <technil> the btvceph03 node was a mon but is now gone (node failed)
[17:19] <technil> mon.btvceph03 (rank 2) addr 10.20.10.203:6789/0 is down (out of quorum)
[17:20] <etienneme> You deployed a new mon but did not fixed the one that failed?
[17:20] <technil> yes server gone, no data to rebuild from , lost 12 osds
[17:21] <technil> everything has rebalanced with a new node in place
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[17:21] <Be-El> technil: so you just need to remove the mon host from ceph to get rid of that warning....
[17:22] <Tone> hi, is there any Powershell API or experiments for radosgw + S3 API ?
[17:23] <technil> @Be-El thanks, I just wanted confirmation before I halted the cluster
[17:23] <technil> by accident
[17:23] <Be-El> technil: as long as you have a quorum the cluster should be fine
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[17:25] <technil> [btvceph05][WARNIN] monitor btvceph05 does not exist in monmap
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[17:28] <etienneme> You don't need to stop the cluster to remove the mon :)
[17:30] <technil> yes, @etienneme, :) just trying to verify that the new mon is really active, (as it appears) so that when I remove the old mon I won't suddenly be left with 2 instead of 3
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[17:30] <etienneme> ah :) check your logs, but with 2 mon it would still run :)
[17:30] <m0zes> and, you've already got 2, if your 3rd is dead ;)
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[17:33] <technil> correct, just don't want it to halt if another fails! thanks for the reassurance @Be-el @etienneme @m0zes
[17:33] <m0zes> it would halt if another fails, as it couldn't get quorum with just one.
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[17:34] <etienneme> np :)
[17:34] <etienneme> If I understood well there 3 mon up and 1 mon down
[17:34] <etienneme> there are
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[17:35] <technil> yes the third gave a warning in the ceph deploy output, and it made me question if the mon was running on the new node, but ceph -s etc show it in the monmap so It appears that it is good
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[17:37] <jeevers> Is there a way to change the weight of a crushmap bucket? I know you can reweight an OSD, but have not found any documentation on reweighting a bucket.
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[17:40] <mnaser> what could explain back and forth swinging of throughput when running rados bench?
[17:40] <mnaser> it swings up to 160mb/s and back down to 20... could my journal be getting filled up?
[17:41] <smerz> cheap ssd's have a buffer and when full will reduce throughput alot
[17:41] <smerz> but you said you switch to intel3710 or smth
[17:41] <smerz> they should be solid
[17:41] <mnaser> s3710 yes
[17:42] <mnaser> it goes down to as low as 8MB/s
[17:42] <mnaser> http://pastebin.com/swHia8c2
[17:43] <mnaser> 29 average iops...
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[17:57] <jeevers> nevermind, I forgot you have to set the weight in the bucket's parent in the crush hierarchy.
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[19:16] <debian112> how should I resolve this: 84 ops are blocked > 262.144 sec on osd.8?
[19:16] <debian112> I see that the disk is saturated.
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[19:17] <debian112> http://paste.debian.net/439267/
[19:17] <technil> anyone know if the "extra_probe_peers" when calling ceph mon_status id indicitaive of something I should be concerned about? cluster health is OK.
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[20:57] <devicenull> what would cause a rebuild of one pool to slow down an entirely unrelated one?
[20:57] <devicenull> the only point in common afaik is the mons
[20:57] <devicenull> each pool has it's own seperate root
[20:58] <devicenull> mon cpu load is really low (well under 2% of a core), so I'm confused about how that could be an issue
[20:58] <mnaser> im getting average iops of 29 running rados bench.. im seeing a strange pattern of speed going up and down throughout the benchmark.. any ideas? http://pastebin.com/tvzwi9eK
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[21:11] <devicenull> hm, interestingly my IO speeds dropped a couple hours into the rebuild
[21:11] <devicenull> I can see a very significant drop on my bandwidth graphs for the slow pool
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[22:25] <vvb> leseb: I use ceph/ceph-ansible and noticed that that cluster does not become healthy unless iptables is turned off.. Cent OS 7. OSDs were not able to reach each other. Do you know if there is a known issue?
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[22:46] <curious_> anyone there ?
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[22:46] <rkeene> No.
[22:47] <curious_> can you guide me ?
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