#ceph IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2016-03-23

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[1:00] <ceph> New here. just testing my irc client
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[1:02] <ceph> Has anyone used ceph with proxmox?
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[1:23] <TheSov> yes i have
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[2:20] <gopher_49> Do most Admins use JBOD mode on controllers and present drives that way?
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[2:22] <lookcrabs> gopher_49: I currently do and I believe that is the recommended way to present your drives
[2:23] <gopher_49> I see the benchmarks show better performance. I see VMWare is doing something similar with their vsan product
[2:24] <gopher_49> has anyone used proxmox with ceph?
[2:24] <lookcrabs> not me but yes
[2:24] <lookcrabs> as you have already heard from TheSov
[2:25] <gopher_49> okay cool. I found a best practice guide where the OS and journals goes on SSD and objects go on SATA. I think that's my best route
[2:26] <gopher_49> I was unsure about how to present drives. it seems I'll utilize the cache and battery on a controller but present drives JBOD
[2:26] <gopher_49> Thanks!
[2:26] <lookcrabs> presenting the drives and journals as jbod is the way to go
[2:26] <lookcrabs> gl gl
[2:27] <gopher_49> awesome. I'll plan to build my lab soon. Do you know of paid support aside from RedHat?
[2:27] <gopher_49> I'm used to paid support channels...
[2:28] <TheSov> yes
[2:28] <TheSov> i have used ceph with proxmox
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[2:30] <gopher_49> do you know is their support is knowledgeable enough to support ceph?
[2:30] <gopher_49> typo.. If their support...
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[2:32] <gopher_49> also. With 18 VMs and 110 users I would imagine the kvm node and ceph cluster on a single server will be fine.
[2:32] <gopher_49> this is assuming the OS and journal are on independent SSD's and objects on sata using 2208 LSI controller
[2:33] <gopher_49> I'll have 3 x proxmox nodes with ceph cluster on each
[2:33] <gopher_49> VMs are low I/O for even my 2950 Perc 5i handles just fine
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[2:56] <maximaman> Hi everyone
[2:56] <maximaman> Anyone to talk to who deals with the GSoC 2016 proposals for Ceph?
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[3:55] <skullone> hrm, was looking at the Pure Storage "flashblade" or whatever
[3:55] <skullone> seems to basically be an FPGA powered ceph
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[10:49] <elimat> Hi, I have a problem with some OSDs reported full and wont start however there is free space in OSD. How do I recover the OSDs that fail to start?
[10:51] <elimat> I see this in osd log
[10:51] <elimat> 2016-03-23 10:40:42.542373 7fe8c2d6d940 -1 ** ERROR: osd init failed: (28) No space left on device
[10:52] <elimat> how can I free up enogh space to get the osd up and running again
[10:53] <Kvisle> elimat: how full is it?
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[10:54] <Kvisle> elimat: you can bump the "mon osd full ratio" and "mon osd nearfull ratio" and see if that helps
[10:54] <elimat> Kvisle: 75% use according to df
[10:55] <elimat> Kvisle: which services requires reload/restart for the config change to take affect?
[10:57] <elimat> I also relize I have different size of my OSDs so might need some CRUSH reweight
[10:57] <elimat> is it higher or lower value that gets priority?
[10:58] <Kvisle> higher weight = store more data
[10:58] <elimat> Kvisle: thanks
[10:59] <elimat> Kvisle: can I use the auto rewight according to utilization or does that not help in my case?
[10:59] <Kvisle> I'm not sure what the problem with disk space is on that osd, since df reports 75% full -- which is way lower than the default full ratio
[10:59] <Kvisle> how large are your osds?
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[11:01] <Kvisle> I'm not sure what will help you in this case, tbh.
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[11:01] <Kvisle> unless your osds are really small, I'd guess you're stumbling upon an odd bug/corner case
[11:01] <elimat> I have 3 ceph nodes in cluster with total of 6 osd
[11:01] <Kvisle> how much capacity do they have?
[11:02] <elimat> 3 osd at 10G 3 osd at 20G and 3 osd at 40G
[11:03] <Kvisle> oh ... your osds are tiny
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[11:04] <Kvisle> the default journal size alone is 5G
[11:05] <Kvisle> elimat: reweighting by utilization will help a little bit, but you should probably get bigger osds in general - even if this is just for testing, the 10G/20G osds are _REALLY_ small.
[11:07] <Kvisle> elimat: in a big production rig, reweighting by utilization can cause a bit much backfill at once ... https://github.com/cernceph/ceph-scripts/blob/master/tools/crush-reweight-by-utilization.py can help
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[11:23] <elimat> Kvisle: sorry for not responding got phone call I had to take
[11:24] <elimat> Kvisle: Yes I know its a very small setup but it started to be a lab environment but now devs have moved in to this so I have had to add OSDs due to increased usage
[11:26] <elimat> Kvisle: I read some where that you could remove manually data from osd if it resides in another osd to clear some space
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[11:34] <The_Ball> When running rados bench (on a mon/osd node) I'm monitoring the switch bandwidth and I'm seeing quite a lot of bandwidth on the public interface. I expected to see all traffic on the backbone network. Any idea why this is happening?
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[11:45] <Gugge-47527> The_Ball: because you are suspecting wrong :)
[11:46] <Gugge-47527> The_Ball: the "private" interfaces is used between osd's. The "Public" interface is used by clients
[11:47] <The_Ball> So the rados bench "client" is talking to the mon on each node which acts as a gateway to the OSDs?
[11:47] <Gugge-47527> no
[11:47] <Gugge-47527> its getting the osdmap from the mon. And then talking to the osd's on the public interface
[11:48] <Gugge-47527> and if it writes to an osd, that osd it sending the data to other osd(s) on the private interface
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[11:52] <The_Ball> ah sorry another assumption, I thought the OSDs were hidden on the backbone. Thanks for clarifying
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[13:58] <heddima> Hello everyone
[13:58] <heddima> question about PGs
[13:59] <heddima> I did the PGs calculation for my ceph cluster and I get 512.
[13:59] <heddima> Should I use this value for each pool or the total of PGs (all pools) should be equal to 512
[13:59] <heddima> ?
[13:59] <Kingrat> how many pools are you creating?
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[14:00] <heddima> 8
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[14:02] <Kingrat> having more pools with 512 pg size will use more ram, but using much less than the recommended will also lead to a little more imbalance
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[14:02] <Kingrat> so its a tradeoff
[14:03] <Kingrat> you can start with 128 or 256 on your pools and try it out, because you could grow them to 512 later, but you cant lower the number of pgs once it has been increased
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[14:03] <Kingrat> you might also increase the number on the larger pools and if some are not used much leave them at the lower number
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[14:06] <heddima> Kingrat : perfect ! it's clear to me , thank you so much
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[17:08] <neurodrone> Anyone using trying to log with librbd on a host in a qemu+rbd setup?
[17:09] <neurodrone> Somehow the ceph conf on the host is being clearly ignored by qemu+rbd.
[17:11] <Kvisle> the qemu-instances I run are spawned by libvirt, and all authentication information is passed in as parameters to qemu directly ... no need for ceph.conf
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[17:11] <neurodrone> Kvisle: Not for auth, but for overriding caching defaults.
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[17:11] <neurodrone> I am using it in a similar way, the auth is performed via xml through libvirt rbd device.
[17:12] <neurodrone> I also need to play with the logging and admin socket setup.
[17:12] <neurodrone> Which I cannot from qemu/libvirt.
[17:13] <neurodrone> I don???t think reading ceph.conf from host has worked for anyone.
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[17:14] <neurodrone> Like technically if I want to turn off caching, I should be able to ???rbd cache = false??? and it should work for me.
[17:15] <Kvisle> neurodrone: do it in the xml?
[17:15] <neurodrone> But I still see the cache mode as ???writeback??? from my libvirt info and that???s after a reboot.
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[17:15] <neurodrone> The docs mention that ceph.conf should be respected when no options are explicitly passed into qemu.
[17:16] <neurodrone> The problem with doing it inline in xml is I cannot do other things I want after that. Logging and exposing admin socket for debugging.
[17:16] <neurodrone> In a dev world I???d probably be fine without either, but this is production sadly.
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[17:22] <khaled_> Hello. Is this the right place to seek help regarding ceph build issues?
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[17:23] <smerz> for compiling/development i've heard #ceph-devel has been suggested
[17:23] <khaled_> Thanks @smerz. That's what I figured. I'm in that channel as well. I'll try again there. Thanks
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[17:54] <neurodrone> Anyone using ceph.conf at all for anything when using qemu+rbd to talk to the cluster?
[17:54] <neurodrone> Found instances above where only libvirt was used.
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[18:45] <jamin> if I've made an "rsync -Pav" backup of OSDs that were segfaulting on startup, is there any way to recover a few PGs of data from them? I've tried https://ceph.com/community/incomplete-pgs-oh-my/, but the export fails with "getattr failure object_info -61"
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[19:13] <jamin> is it possible to simply take down one of the other OSDs that should have the data, copy the PG over and bring the OSD back up?
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[19:42] <jamin> if I've made an "rsync -Pav" backup of OSDs that were segfaulting on startup, is there any way to recover a few PGs of data from them? I've tried https://ceph.com/community/incomplete-pgs-oh-my/, but the export fails with "getattr failure object_info -61". is it possible to simply take down one of the other OSDs that should have the data, copy the PG over and bring the OSD back up?
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[23:29] <jamin> if I've made an "rsync -Pav" backup of OSDs that were segfaulting on startup, is there any way to recover a few PGs of data from them? I've tried https://ceph.com/community/incomplete-pgs-oh-my/, but the export fails with "getattr failure object_info -61". is it possible to simply take down one of the other OSDs that should have the data, copy the PG over and bring the OSD back up?
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[23:31] <hoonetorg> jamin: i'm not sure but probably you need -X for rsync too, because ceph relies on extented attributes
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[23:35] <jamin> hoonetorg: and if I don't have those, I'm hosed, no?
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[23:37] <hoonetorg> jamin: to be honest: i don't know.
[23:37] <hoonetorg> maybe there is some manual recovery procedure.
[23:41] <jamin> well, at least I've written a few new tools as a result of this
[23:41] <hoonetorg> jamin: probably you find an answer here: https://github.com/saltstack/salt/pull/31859
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[23:42] <hoonetorg> sorry wrong url
[23:42] <hoonetorg> http://lists.ceph.com/pipermail/ceph-users-ceph.com/2014-July/041177.html
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[23:42] <hoonetorg> (if you didn't read already)
[23:42] <hoonetorg> :)
[23:42] <jamin> well, crap
[23:43] <jamin> that pretty clearly says I'm hosed
[23:43] <hoonetorg> haaa shi....
[23:44] <hoonetorg> jamin: so you hv lost pg's?
[23:45] <hoonetorg> not enough copies of the pg's on other osd's
[23:45] <jamin> had about 6 OSDs drop out and segfault on startup
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[23:46] <jamin> only way I could find to get the OSDs back up was to clear the PGs off of them, thought a backup of them would be better than nothing (was wrong)
[23:47] <hoonetorg> mmmh
[23:47] <jamin> have a few with this awesome state: stuck unclean since forever, current state down+peering
[23:48] <jamin> anyway, time to get the OSDs happy, and rebuild what I can
[23:49] <hoonetorg> i had not much problems with ceph yet, but i had already a stuck unclean since forever
[23:49] <hoonetorg> in my case it helped to restart whole ceph cluster
[23:49] <hoonetorg> cause was a power outage in my case
[23:50] <jamin> ceph's been good to me and I like it, just hard to know what to do sometimes when it doesn't behave
[23:51] <hoonetorg> the real ceph nerds and devs don't seem to be around
[23:51] <hoonetorg> you should ask again
[23:51] <hoonetorg> i'm sure they can help you better
[23:53] <jamin> #1 piece of advice, be patient
[23:53] <jamin> impatience can cost you dearly
[23:53] <hoonetorg> oh so true
[23:53] <jamin> #2 have backups
[23:53] <hoonetorg> :)
[23:54] <hoonetorg> yeah
[23:54] <hoonetorg> i'm not always good at #1
[23:54] <hoonetorg> :)
[23:54] <jamin> I need to follow both more...
[23:54] <hoonetorg> i hv most of the time backups of ceph rbd images
[23:55] <hoonetorg> (not of osd or mon data)
[23:55] <jamin> I do for most things
[23:55] <hoonetorg> but i hv no good backup strategy
[23:55] <jamin> https://github.com/jamincollins/backup-rbds
[23:56] <jamin> it's specifically tailored around VMs backed by rbds, but
[23:56] <ronrib> noice
[23:56] <hoonetorg> yeah cool
[23:56] <hoonetorg> build for libvirt
[23:57] <jamin> yes
[23:57] <hoonetorg> so you probably can undergo openstack or opennebula and talk to libvirt directly !?
[23:57] <jamin> don't know, I use libvirt and virt-manager directly
[23:57] <hoonetorg> yeah at home i do too
[23:58] <hoonetorg> but at business people always want shiny nice web gui's and clouds
[23:59] <jamin> depends on the business
[23:59] <jamin> I find larger businesses don't care so much, provided it works

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