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IRC Log for 2016-03-17

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[5:03] <IvanJobs> I have a problem with ceph s3's "complete multipart upload" interface. I uploaded 4 parts with PartNumber [1,2,3,4], and HTTP 400 error occured when I did the complete interface with a message saying that "EntityTooSmall". I did not quite get it. The requst body was fill with bytes read from my xml file. Whey does it say "EntityTooSmall"? Any help would be appreciated:)
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[6:28] <lookcrabs> Hey Ivan, how big are your parts?
[6:28] <lookcrabs> IvanJobs: ^^
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[6:28] <IvanJobs> 2 bytes, just for testing
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[6:29] <IvanJobs> is there any lower bound limit of this chunk size?
[6:29] <lookcrabs> I think it's 5MB
[6:30] <lookcrabs> all parts must be 5MB in size except the last part which can be smaller (I think)
[6:30] <IvanJobs> exactly speeking, >= 5MB, right?
[6:30] <IvanJobs> where can I find info related to this spec?
[6:31] <IvanJobs> Ceph's official doc are too simple to cover specs like this.
[6:31] <lookcrabs> I think this is it:: http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AmazonS3/latest/API/mpUploadUploadPart.html
[6:32] <lookcrabs> "Each part must be at least 5 MB in size, except the last part. There is no size limit on the last part of your multipart upload"
[6:32] <lookcrabs> http://tracker.ceph.com/issues/8764
[6:33] <lookcrabs> I hope that helps :-/
[6:33] <IvanJobs> yes, I saw it. thank u, lookcrabs.
[6:33] <lookcrabs> np np ^_^
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[6:36] <lookcrabs> Just FYI I've had a few issues with multipart uploads. Specifically I have a bug that is confirmed but I can't reproduce 100% that happens when I upload objects with boto and the radosgw is under stress. What seems to happen is a race condition of some kind and the rgw runs garbage collection on my multipart upload attempts and clears out the parts while "storing" the object and size in the bucket index. So when I go to download the object I get a 404 not
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[6:38] <IvanJobs> Poor docs of ceph, and I'm just wondering how much can we rely on Amazon S3's doc? maybe 60% or more? Amazon S3's docs are much better. When I found some questions, I would go to ceph's docs, but maybe just found one or two simple sentences, not quite detailed.
[6:40] <IvanJobs> @lookcrabs Yeah, thx for your experience shared.
[6:43] <IvanJobs> That's right about your cause guessing of the 404 NOT FOUND problem. When I uploaded 2 parts, I used "radosgw-admin bucket list --bucket=xxx" to inspect those upload parts, and I found 3 upload parts, the last one was postfixed with meta. Maybe this part object stored metadatas of this whole upload.
[6:43] <lookcrabs> Ceph is open source and still being developed. The more people use it, hopefully the better the docs get. I can say that since redhat has bought it out the docs have improved quite a bit.
[6:44] <lookcrabs> that said its still under development so things change and whatnot.
[6:44] <lookcrabs> I would look at both ceph and s3 as well as the mailing list. Lots of great stuff there.
[6:45] <IvanJobs> yep, I will look into both too:)
[6:45] <lookcrabs> Anything before IAM I think as well as bucket policy. That's not implemented yet either unfortunately and it's a killer :-(
[6:46] <lookcrabs> ACLs work though so long as you iterate through all of the objects
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[10:38] <desmond> Hi all, I encounter a trouble about cephfs sanpshot. It seems that the folder '.snap' is exist. But I use 'll -a' can't let it show up. And I enter that folder and create folder in it, it showed something wrong to use snapshot. Please check : http://imgur.com/elZhQvD
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[10:49] <desmond> And I think that the problem might be authority of user. so I use mount.ceph instead of ceph-fuse. But it seems that it can work on mounting... Please check: http://imgur.com/VcOSd5W
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[11:19] <IvanJobs> have no idea, sorry
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[11:57] <post-factum> guys, could the same OSD be used in different CRUSH map items and different rules?
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[11:58] <post-factum> i mean, at the same time
[11:59] <post-factum> lets say, i have osd.0, osd.1 and osd.2, and i want to use osd.0 and osd.1 for one replica rule, and osd.1/osd.2 for another
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[12:03] <vicente> post-factum: that's ok
[12:04] <post-factum> vicente: ok, thanks
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[14:00] <boolman> what is the primary tuning settings for speeding up the recovery ?
[14:01] <boolman> max backfills?
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[17:05] <Fazy> Hello!
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[17:06] <Fazy> I want some help with crushmap... I hope, somebody can point me to the right direction...
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[17:06] <Fazy> So, we have around 300 osd in a new cluster (it's not production now, but in 15 days)
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[17:08] <JediNut> Hello. I was talking with someone about their CEPH cluster and wondered if their setup was inherently a bad idea . Basically, every node was the same???they all acted as ODS, Meta Data Servers and Monitors. That made building the boxes dirt simple, ordering servers was easy, etc???. Does this seem like a really flawed idea?
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[17:08] <Fazy> after a few failed disk replacement and crushmap export import and modification somehow the osd numbers started to act strange:
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[17:09] <Fazy> These are in new lines, where i put colon: device 29 osd.29, device 30 osd.30, device 31 osd.31, device 32 device32, device 33 device33, device 34 device34
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[17:09] <Fazy> so does anybody know, why the ceph started to name my osd.X with deviceX ?
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[17:14] <m0zes> Fazy: they are devices removed from crush. ceph will reuse the osd numbers when you add new osds now.
[17:15] <m0zes> I'm betting with your replacement disks, you didn't remove the old osd first.
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[17:16] <Fazy> hmm, going to get clear... so i just let them be there, or i can clean out from crushmap?
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[17:16] <m0zes> ceph will re-add the 'device' entries to the crush, because the crushmap itself isn't supposed to be sparse. they don't harm anything, and the osd numbers will be re-used.
[17:17] <m0zes> in the ideal setup, you do a ceph osd delete $i before you add the new osd.
[17:18] <Fazy> that was our mistake then.. just now i see this: 411 osds: 332 up, 332 in
[17:18] <Fazy> and the overall disk number is 332..
[17:18] <Fazy> can i run ceph osd delete $i now?
[17:18] <Fazy> (for the not normally named id-s?)
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[17:19] <m0zes> I would delete any osds that aren't up and aren;t coming back
[17:20] <m0zes> is ceph healthy? ceph health
[17:20] <Fazy> yep: health HEALTH_OK
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[17:32] <Fazy> need to go but thanks for the help m0zes! It was a winning hint... ;)
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[18:41] <tom> hi, guys, i have 2 node ceph cluster with pcs setup, both nodes with mapped rbd image, i cannot find any information about it ... does the rbd map when cluster healt_warn should work ? this is a bit strange i can map rbd's on both nodes and they stay mapped and avilable even when the cluster is not healthy
[18:42] <tom> but if the cluster has health_warn rbd map just hangs... is that expected behaviour ?
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[18:43] <jcsp> tom: in general when something is wrong with your ceph servers, the behaviour of clients (like mapped rbd images) is to wait/block
[18:44] <tom> so just to be clear let's say i have one node down the other one is still up (cluster is health_wanr) i do rbd unmap, and then rbd map just hangs ...
[18:44] <tom> jcsp: oh okay, so then why is still accessible when it's mapped before node goes down ?
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[18:45] <tom> i would expect then that the image is unmapped on ceph_health or not accessible...
[18:46] <jcsp> the client will do everything it can, and when it tries to do something that is temporarily impossible (like reading/writing from an inaccessible PG) it will block
[18:46] <jcsp> you would not want images to unmap when a server node went down, or failover would never work
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[18:47] <tom> oh okay so then it's expected that all the rbd images should be mapped on boot
[18:48] <tom> i undestand that 2 node cluster is rather not a typical setup, but some pcs resources like rbd.in is useless in such scenario
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[18:48] <tom> which maps/unmaps on node failover
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[18:50] <jcsp> I suspect that you will be a lot happier with DRBD. Running a two node ceph cluster is a bad idea to begin with, running a two node cluster with RBD clients on the same nodes as the servers is just masochism.
[18:51] <jcsp> being frank with you there :-)
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[18:54] <tom> jcsp: yeah i'm aware that's a poor setup, but it performs pretty ok for 2-node, with iscsi on top of rbd
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[18:56] <jdohms_> tom: Curious, are you using LIO or SCST?
[18:56] <tom> LIO-t
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[18:57] <tom> jdohms_: and that sits on top of IB/eth + vmwware on the other end
[19:00] <tom> i hope the active/active mpio comes soon, pcs is really a pain
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[19:27] <JediNut> Anyone have an opinion on running ODS, MON and MDS services on every node in the ceph cluster? (I was chatting with someone who does this so that all of his nodes are identical)
[19:28] <m0zes> too many mons can be as much of a problem as not enough.
[19:28] <m0zes> as the state of the cluster can only be progressed as fast as the slowest mon.
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[19:30] <JediNut> Hmmm???that makes sense. I figured it couldn't be an optimal solution???otherwise, everyone would recommend doing it that way.
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[19:57] <ElNounch> Hello ! Does cephfs play nicely with overlayfs ? Can list directories but not access file content in my various tests...
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[20:18] <devicenull> is there a way to make the 'rbd import' output more machine-readable?
[20:18] <devicenull> it doesn't seem to support --format
[20:18] <herrsergio> hi everybody, I have a question regarding snapshots, do snapshots have to be made with the vm powered off ?
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[20:39] <BlaXpirit> herrsergio, in what context? I don't think ceph deals with 'vm's
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[20:41] <arthurh> What are the implications of using a file journal? (not specifying block device in ceph-disk prepare for journal)
[20:44] <arthurh> Or, what are the implications of not having a journal at all? (all OSDs are spinning disks), and ceph default journal size is 0.
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[20:49] <herrsergio> BlaXpirit: oh sorry. Using Ceph as backend storage for OpenStack
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[20:51] <m0zes> ideally snapshots happen when the os is not in a state of flushing data to disk from memory. however, rbd snapshots are supposed to be atomic, therefore it should work to snapshot them while the vm is running.
[20:53] <m0zes> bear in mind, that there was a bug that could cause the guest to deadlock when an rbd image was snapshotted. http://ceph.com/releases/v9-2-1-infernalis-released/
[20:53] <vasu> Note
[20:53] <vasu> If a snapshot is taken while I/O is still in progress in a image, the snapshot might not get the exact or latest data of the image and the snapshot may have to be cloned to a new image to be mountable. So, we recommend to stop I/O before taking a snapshot of an image. If the image contains a filesystem, the filesystem must be in a consistent state before taking a snapshot. To stop I/O you can use fsfreeze command. See fsfreeze(8) man page fo
[20:53] <vasu> r more details. For virtual machines, qemu-guest-agent can be used to automatically freeze filesystems when creating a snapshot
[20:53] <vasu> http://docs.ceph.com/docs/master/rbd/rbd-snapshot/
[20:54] <m0zes> right. that is what I was trying to say. don't snapshot when doing i/o for best results
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[21:11] <herrsergio> vasu: m0zes thanks
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[21:14] <herrsergio> is it normal for rbd export-diff to create a bigger file than the size of a snapshot volume ?
[21:15] <vasu> not sure, but possible since snapshot is not full copy unless you flatten
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[21:17] <herrsergio> vasu: with flatten, do you mean to export it ?
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[21:20] <vasu> herrsergio: i think export-diff is for different use, not sure about it, what are you trying to do?
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[21:21] <herrsergio> vasu: https://skuicloud.wordpress.com/2014/12/19/openstackceph-rbd-incremental-backup-and-restore/
[21:22] <herrsergio> the backup script
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[21:24] <herrsergio> I cannot stop the instance, so I was "hot" snapshooting, and at the first export diff, it was creating a bigger file than the size of the volume
[21:25] <herrsergio> the volume is 80 GB, the progress of the export-diff command was 25% and there was already a 160 gb file
[21:26] <herrsergio> I suppose that it continues to grow, because the volume is having I/O operations, but I am not sure
[21:26] <vasu> yeah sounds odd
[21:27] <vasu> not sure about the accuracy of the script, maybe you can try manually
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[21:35] <herrsergio> vasu: yep, I was executing the steps of the script manually
[21:36] <herrsergio> I am just not sure of the output from the "export-diff" command
[21:37] <herrsergio> If an initial snapshot is specified, only changes
[21:37] <herrsergio> since that snapshot are included; otherwise, any regions of the
[21:37] <herrsergio> image that contain data are included.
[21:37] <herrsergio> ups, sorry
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[21:46] <vasu> yeah something is wrong, will have to check, what version of ceph?
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[23:25] <cephn00b> how to use ceph-ansible on physical machines . the github shows just vagrant only
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