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IRC Log for 2016-03-16

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[0:15] <tumeric> Hi guys
[0:15] <tumeric> Quick question, I am trying to mount cephfs (kernel) on a machine but I get the VM (proxmox) completely blocked, even sshing I get port 22 no route to host. ceph-fuse works ok. ubuntu 14.04. what might be wrong?
[0:18] <tumeric> i am running hammer, same version everywhere
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[0:25] <motk> tumeric: latest kernel versioon?
[0:25] <badone> tumeric: do CLI rbd commands work okay?
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[0:31] <tumeric> kernel: 3.19.0-56-generic
[0:32] <tumeric> badone, which type of rbd commands do you suggest? right now I only have two pools, 1 cephfs_data,2 cephfs_metadata
[0:36] <badone> tumeric: there are several, anything that reads data or metadata
[0:36] <badone> just to verify good connectivity
[0:37] <tumeric> I can telnet the monitor on 6789 easily
[0:37] <badone> tumeric: that verifies a small part of the equation :)
[0:37] <tumeric> rbd: error opening pool rbd: (2) No such file or directory
[0:37] <tumeric> :x
[0:37] <tumeric> maybe the problem can lie here
[0:38] <badone> tumeric: work on getting those commands operating correctly, then look at your kernel mount again
[0:41] <tumeric> Thanks. I think I accidentally deleted the rbd pool that comes by default..
[0:42] <badone> tumeric: ahh... some parts of this doc may help with bits and pieces, https://communities.cisco.com/docs/DOC-59805
[0:43] <badone> as well as the docs on ceph.com of course
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[0:44] <tumeric> I will look into them. Thank you :)
[0:45] <badone> tumeric: np, good luck
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[0:54] <tumeric> badone, ok, so the hanging is over :)
[0:55] <tumeric> now some other errors but i will look into them tomorrow
[0:55] <tumeric> thank you! :)
[0:56] <badone> tumeric: np
[0:58] <tumeric> well, actually, same issue. anyway, i will look into it tomorrow. arghh :)
[0:58] <tumeric> I wish you all a good night.
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[1:20] <dniasoff> Hi, can I ask a quick question regarding a local hypervisor based SSD cache for RBD
[1:20] <dniasoff> nobody seems to be doing it
[1:20] <motk> explian? :)
[1:21] <dniasoff> something like this http://sebastien-han.fr/images/ceph-cache-pool-compute-design.png
[1:22] <dniasoff> a picture = 1000 words :)
[1:23] <dniasoff> or this http://opennebula.org/cached-ssd-storage-infrastructure-for-vms/
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[1:23] <dniasoff> basically a local cache for hot data
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[1:24] <motk> oh I see
[1:24] <motk> hrm!
[1:24] <dniasoff> and a writeback cache to speed up ceph writes
[1:24] <dniasoff> the idea seems amazing
[1:24] <dniasoff> local storage speed with all the benefits of ceph
[1:25] <dniasoff> i can use a really fast ssd
[1:25] <motk> nvme even
[1:26] <dniasoff> dm-cache, lvm-cache, flash-cache - no idea what i am talking about but all these terms are thrown around
[1:26] <dniasoff> yes nvme would be amazing
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[1:30] <dniasoff> is this possible to achieve using journal pools and somehow configure each compute node to point to it's own journal
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[1:33] <motk> dniasoff: I'd love to find out :)
[1:33] <motk> most ceph people seem to live in EU timezones
[1:33] <dniasoff> i will ask on the mailing list
[1:34] <dniasoff> i will also try tomorrow during european time
[1:34] <dniasoff> thanks
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[2:27] <motk> ooookkay
[2:27] <motk> so after a network blip, all my osds are now on one host out of two nodes
[2:27] <motk> wat
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[2:45] <motk> crushmap rule, ok
[2:46] <motk> so yeah, what's the platinum-iridium config for wan-connected sites?
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[2:50] <huangjun> thank your fo a review of http://tracker.ceph.com/issues/15133
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[4:00] <TiCPU> how do I check if the journal is full (must flush to spinning disk)?
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[4:01] <TiCPU> I'd like some kind of %objects / %bytes metric
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[4:02] <TiCPU> admin socket perf dump has some counters but it is stuff like total writes since startup
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[4:27] <rotbeard> TiCPU, the journal can't be _full_ since it is kinda like a ringbuffer.
[4:29] <TiCPU> rotbeard, I guess at some point it has to throttle operations, I'm currently diagnosing lots of slow request/waiting for rw locks/high fs_apply_latency when deleting snapshots (in the process of backing up using export-diff)
[4:31] <rotbeard> TiCPU, poorly I'm not that deep into the whole stuff, but the OSD:journal ratio + the journal backed drive could be limiting
[4:33] <TiCPU> right now it is 3 OSD vs 1 SSD journal
[4:33] <TiCPU> when latency is high, iostat shows 10% util for SDD and all 3 disks are 100%
[4:35] <rotbeard> imho that looks ok from a journal perspective
[4:36] <rotbeard> TiCPU, if I put traffic on my testcluster I also see this. spinners flip up to 100% but the journal SSDs are below 20%
[4:38] <TiCPU> I'd be fine with that if I/Os were fine but the problem is that I get slow requests and those requests are read/writes from VMs using RBD devices hung for 30 to 60 seconds (confirmed from inside the VM)
[4:38] <TiCPU> it is just like the journal was blocking all request and flushing to disk
[4:41] <rotbeard> TiCPU, sorry I can't help you out, I am pretty new to ceph :(
[4:41] <TiCPU> no problem thanks for helping
[4:42] <rotbeard> we saw lots of slow requests running our first lab cluster without any rebalancing/backfilling tunings. + it was a pretty small and bad balanced cluster (5 osd nodes with 24 disks each afair)
[4:42] <TiCPU> 12 OSD on 6 nodes
[4:46] <rotbeard> for some VMs should be also ok, but things we learned during the last year of testing: the bigger the cluster, the less problems
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[4:59] <motk> hrm, wonder if I can run two monitors for two different cluster ids on the one host
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[5:02] <huangjun> yes, you can, use the different port
[5:03] <motk> aha
[5:03] <motk> interesting
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[5:04] <huangjun> and maybe a different ceph configure file
[5:09] <motk> man, wish ceph did seemless geo-replication
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[8:43] <IcePic> I wish it brewed good beer. ;)
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[8:52] <Razva> hi guys! fast question: I would like to use Cepth for object storage. can I sync two different/phyisical locations. I'm not interested in "real-time", but still data should go from A to B.
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[9:20] <s3an2> http://docs.ceph.com/docs/master/radosgw/federated-config/#multi-site-data-replication
[9:20] <s3an2> Razva, ^^ should help you
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[9:27] <mistur> Hello
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[9:28] <mistur> is there a specific way to shutdown a ceph cluster ?
[9:29] <mistur> I mean should I worry about stop services order ?
[9:29] <mistur> we might plan a network upgrade in our ceph rack
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[9:30] <mistur> and we should save time if we shutdown all the cluster
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[9:31] <mistur> instead of change node by node
[9:31] <Be-El> mistur: the last time I shut down our cluster the order was: setting noout, shutdown mds, shutdown osds one by one, shutdown mons
[9:31] <Be-El> mistur: startup is reverse order
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[9:32] <Be-El> oh, and all client io should be terminated prior to shutting down any ceph service
[9:33] <mistur> Be-El: of course, this cluster is only use as s3 storage
[9:33] <mistur> easier to shutdown
[9:33] <mistur> thanks for the tips
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[9:59] <Mika_c> Hello
[9:59] <Mika_c> Is there a radosgw api can export result like command "radosgw-admin metadata list user" ?
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[10:02] <Mika_c> Another question, I'm using Jewel right now. But looks like added "rgw frontends = access_log_file=/var/log/civetweb/access.log error_log_file=/var/log/civetweb/error.log" to ceph.conf not working. Have any one ever try civetweb on Jewel???
[10:02] <mistur> Mika_c: http://docs.ceph.com/docs/master/radosgw/adminops/
[10:03] <mistur> => Get User Info
[10:03] <mistur> Get user information. If no user is specified returns the list of all users along with suspension information.
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[10:03] <mistur> is that what you look for ?
[10:04] <Mika_c> Hi mistur, thank you so much. I'll try it!
[10:04] <mistur> Be-El: about the startup, I have 10 nodes, all of them have 10 OSDs, 3 of them runs MONs too
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[10:05] <mistur> Be-El: should I start the 3 servers with OSDs AND MONs first ?
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[10:08] <Mika_c> Hi mistur. Bad luck! The result is "Access denied". I must specified a user to get the information.
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[10:10] <mistur> Mika_c: I guess yes you need caps to get the user list
[10:10] <mistur> I mean, it's not open for every one
[10:11] <mistur> you should look for an auth before
[10:11] <Mika_c> mistur: Got it! Thanks
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[10:12] <kmroz_> Mika_c: The access_log_file/error_log_file - these appear to be internal config options read by civetweb (src/civetweb/src/civetweb.c) - correct? I don't believe we're passing anything to civetweb from the top level though. So, whatever civetweb does in the default case I guess. But I don't recall seeing such files with hammer either.
[10:12] <mistur> you're welcome
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[10:14] <mistur> Mika_c: I knew there is a way becaue I'm using inkscope to monitor my cluster and this tools is able to manage radosgw user using the API
[10:15] <mistur> but without an admin user with caps, I got no access
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[10:16] <Mika_c> kmroz_:Yes, the config working in firefly. But not working in Hammer and Jewel. So I'm very confused.
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[10:17] <kmroz_> Mika_c: I don't go back quite that far... so hopefully someone else will comment :)
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[10:18] <Mika_c> mistur: Sorry to bother again. Is "admin user" create by "$radosgw-admin user create" ?
[10:18] <mistur> Yes I create a user with radosgw-admin
[10:18] <mistur> then give caps capability
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[10:19] <Mika_c> kmroz_:Thank you so much. At least I know I'm not along XD
[10:20] <Mika_c> mistur: Okay!! Thank you again.
[10:20] <mistur> https://github.com/inkscope/inkscope/wiki/Configuration-tips#rados-gateway-administration
[10:21] <mistur> Mika_c: here the inkscope doc where there is the process to create the admin user
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[10:24] <Mika_c> mistur: Great!!! mistur, thank you so much.
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[10:47] <analbeard> can anyone suggest where i could find a list of the new options added in infernalis? (such as cache_target_dirty_high_ratio)
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[11:02] <Mika_c> analbeard: Are you already build ceph cluster with infernail? If you have calamari, you can find it in "config browser". Or "ceph --admin-daemon /var/run/ceph/ceph-yourmonitor.asok config show |grep cache"
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[11:04] <analbeard> Mika_c: it's a Hammer > Infernalis upgrade - i was hoping somewhere would be a list of all the new options
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[11:07] <Mika_c> analbeard: Try github. https://github.com/ceph/ceph/blob/infernalis/doc/rados/operations/pools.rst
[11:07] <analbeard> Mika_c: ah that looks handy - thanks!
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[11:13] <boolman> anyone deploying ceph on docker? I'm having issues using a different block device as journal
[11:13] <boolman> perhaps any other than default
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[13:01] <boolman> has the syntax changed for the ceph-disk command? "ceph-disk -v --setuser ${user} --setgroup ${group} activate /dev/sdX"
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[14:15] <analbeard> is it possible to find out how long scrubs are taking? it's not causing any problems, i'm just trying to accumulate some data
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[14:28] <etienneme> disable them and manually start a scrub?
[14:29] <georgem> analbeard: you'll have to check the logs, if you have ELK it's pretty easy
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[14:33] <analbeard> georgem: sadly we're not quite at that stage yet - i've got collectd/graphite/grafana set up but it's not receiving data from the ceph cluster yet
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[14:35] <analbeard> etienneme: i've got a sensible period set for them, i'm just trying to get my head around how the cluster actually performs - a lot of this info isn't readily available as it's such a powerful tool
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[14:38] <georgem> analbeard: you could grep the osd logs on one storage node for "scrub" and eyeball how long they take; my regular crubs take seconds and 5-6 min for deep-scrubs on the PGs allocated to the large pools
[14:39] <analbeard> georgem: thanks for that, i'll do some digging
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[14:44] <brians-> I have 3 servers each with 4tb osds - is it ok to add an additional 6tb drive into each (instead of rtb) or will that cause an inbalance ?
[14:45] <brians-> that should read 3 x servers with 4x4tb osds
[14:46] <mistur> brians-: you should look about the weight in the crushmap
[14:46] <brians-> ok
[14:46] <mistur> brians-: I guess you should give a bigger weight to the 6TB compare to the 4TB
[14:46] <brians-> would be better to add additional 4tb to keep computation to a minmum I guess.
[14:47] <mistur> in my case, I have only 6TB (5.45TB real) in my cluster, and I have a weight of 5.45 for each
[14:48] <brians-> ok
[14:48] <brians-> thanks
[14:48] <mistur> if one day I add bigger or smaller
[14:48] <mistur> I will be able to weight easly
[14:48] <mistur> to set the*
[14:48] <mistur> but I have no experience on mixing hardrive in the same pool
[14:49] <mistur> You can create a new crush map with ony 6TB drives
[14:49] <mistur> or mix all of them in the same crushmap
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[19:01] <LobsterRoll> What does the /0 after the mon port indicate here in the output from ???ceph mon dump??? 0: 192.168.0.201:6789/0 mon.ceph-mon03
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[19:43] <LobsterRoll> Question about adding capabilities for client access to multiple pools, are both of these syntaxes valid? http://fpaste.org/341105/45815368/ ceph auth add accepted both of them without error, are they interchangable, or is one of these broken?
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[19:50] <m0zes> from what I understand, there is no parsing to determine the validity of the auth caps from the client side.
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[19:54] <jdillaman> LobsterRoll: only one pool per cap and I think you need a ???,??? between ???allow???s
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[19:56] <LobsterRoll> jdillaman: so I dont have to jam all OSD caps onto one line, i can add multiple OSD ???caps???
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[19:59] <jdillaman> LobsterRoll: i believe you need something like ???allow rw pool=pool1, allow rw pool=pool2, ??????
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[20:00] <vasu> LobsterRoll: this has examples http://docs.ceph.com/docs/master/man/8/ceph-authtool/
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[20:03] <LobsterRoll> vasu: thanks, but not for multiple pools
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[20:03] <vasu> osd = "allow class-read object_prefix rbd_children, allow pool templates r class-read, allow pool vms rwx"
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[20:04] <vasu> allow pool gets repeated for pool as jdillaman said
[20:04] <LobsterRoll> boom!
[20:04] <LobsterRoll> thanks
[20:04] <vasu> yw
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[21:06] <JediNut1> Hi Folks???I have a pretty basic question???which will probably get a few different opinions??? I am looking at how to get the biggest bang for my buck for performance from my small test ceph cluster. Currently, I have 7 nodes (3 MONs, 4 OSDs)???basic Dell desktop hardware (it's a TEST cluster). Each node has 1x300GB HDD, 1x1G NIC.
[21:06] <JediNut1> I cannot upgrade my switches to 10G, so I am stuck with 1G. Where would my money be best spent: 2 more NICs (which I could bond) and 1 SSD for each OSD?
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[21:07] <JediNut1> If I bond NICs would I want the speed on the Storage Network side (would help with writes) or on the Public Network side (faster reads)? And if I get an SSD for each OSD???would I be better off putting all my CEPH data on the SSD, or would I see decent I/O throughput increase just putting the journals there?
[21:07] <JediNut1> (Ok???it was more than one question???sorry)
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[21:52] <johnavp1989> It's suggested to use both a private and public network for Ceph so replication the separate from access traffic.
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[21:53] <johnavp1989> But do you actually need two separate networks for this or can you just use two different interfaces on the same network on each node?
[21:54] <johnavp1989> You'd be sending replication and public traffic out different interfaces both with dedicated bandwidth so it seems like this should work but i always see separate networks suggested
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[22:16] <mjevans> johnavp1989: the idea behind public-facing and private facing is to segregate your data IO. This is useful from security, performance, and infrastructure standpoints.
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[22:17] <johnavp1989> mjevans ok but is it necessary for them to be segregated on different networks?
[22:17] <lurbs> Networks as in VLANs, switches, subnets...?
[22:20] <johnavp1989> lurbs Could you have two interfaces on the same subnet/VLAN and the same switch. Once interface handling public and one for private
[22:21] <lurbs> You can definitely have them on the same VLAN and switch, not sure about subnet.
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[22:36] <qman> it's never a good idea to have two interfaces on the same machine on the same network
[22:36] <qman> just in general, not ceph-specific
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[23:11] <lookcrabs> anyone ever see a weird thing where radosgw stops responding after around 850 connections?
[23:11] <lookcrabs> established connections that is
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[23:12] <lookcrabs> I can't seem to curl either gateway after around 850 connections
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[23:19] <lookcrabs> That said my radosgw log shows it's still doing something but I have no idea what it could be
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[23:34] <lookcrabs> it looks like it is parsing parts from a bunch of multipart objects
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