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IRC Log for 2016-03-13

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[0:00] <blocky> are there other factors than size/min size that determine the amount of usable space?
[0:00] <BlaXpirit> blocky, what do you mean usable space?
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[0:01] <BlaXpirit> flaf, do you mean something like osd_pool_size ?
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[0:01] <flaf> BlaXpirit: yes.
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[0:02] <BlaXpirit> size would mean the number of osds and not the usable space
[0:02] <blocky> BlaXpirit: if i have a cluster with 6x 4TB drives, and set size=3, my 24GB of storage becomes at most 8GB of usable storage
[0:02] <BlaXpirit> oh but I'm probably missing the point, the replication would divide the usable space
[0:04] <blocky> is pool size different than number of placement groups?
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[0:06] <blocky> i think i don't understand what placement groups do
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[0:16] <blocky> how stable is ceph on btrfs?
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[0:19] <BlaXpirit> blocky, it's really all about btrfs
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[0:22] <blocky> BlaXpirit: the guide says to use btrfs for development but not for production yet
[0:22] <BlaXpirit> Now that you bring this up, I wonder what the problem with it is
[0:23] <BlaXpirit> even if btrfs fails, shouldn't ceph recover from it?
[0:23] <blocky> i don't know
[0:23] <blocky> i'm just learning about all this stuff :)
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[0:24] <blocky> i was wondering if i can have some data stored with more redundancy than other data, and how i would configure that
[0:24] <blocky> would i have multiple pools with different replica sizes?
[0:27] <BlaXpirit> blocky, heh looks like I know less than you. but yes, this idea sounds perfect
[0:29] <blocky> BlaXpirit: are you currently running ceph? i have just been reading docs, haven't actually tried it yet
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[1:03] <blocky> what's the difference between pool size and min size? just whether or not the system gets marked 'degraded'?
[1:04] <flaf> pool size is the number of replica
[1:05] <flaf> and if ceph can't ensure at least "min size" of replica for a pool, no I/O is possible for this pool.
[1:11] <flaf> For instance if your crush map is set to have replica per host, and if you have 3 hosts and a pool with min_size == 2, you can support 1 host down because ceph is still able to ensure 2 replica (in the remaining hosts). But you can't support 2 hosts down because in this case, the crush map and min_size == 2 are incompatible.
[1:13] <flaf> Degraded is when "size" is not (temporarily) possible. But I/O are still possible if replica =< min_size is realized.
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[1:23] <blocky> if i had more than one osd per host, could i have replica per osd instead of replica per host?
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[1:28] <flaf> You can set the crushmap and define ???rulesets??? to decide your policy concerning the distribution. By default, it's one replica per host. But the policy ???one replica per OSD??? is possible too, yes.
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[3:41] <blocky> are there any minimum requirements for cpu for ceph? i know the website says dual core for osd, quad core for monitor but that is still a pretty wide range
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[12:54] <shrox> Hi, I am getting this error when I try to run ceph - Error initializing cluster client:
[12:54] <shrox> How do I resolve it? It seems to be a common error.
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[15:15] <brians> Is there an optimal size for journals on fast SSDs ?
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[15:19] <flaf> brians: http://docs.ceph.com/docs/master/rados/configuration/osd-config-ref/#journal-settings
[15:21] <brians> thanks flaf - i have 400GB PCIec SSD - 1GB/s writes. I setup journals for 3 sata based OSDs as 20GB each
[15:21] <brians> is it possible that you make journal too large and it affects performance?
[15:22] <flaf> I don't think so.
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[15:23] <brians> these ssds are insanely quick - I wonder could I use them as OSD cache also
[15:23] <brians> I'm really just playing around to discover absolute optimal configs. Its great fun :)
[15:24] <flaf> SSD as OSD cache is ???cache tiering???. I don't know well this part.
[15:26] <brians> Just reading about it - sounds like its another good way to hide spinny disk performance bottleknecks.
[15:30] <flaf> Yes, I just know that the configuration is not easy. ;)
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[15:31] <brians> ok :)
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[15:54] <abc> Hi, I am interested in contributing to the project about RBD Diff Checksums. Is it about implementing algorithm for comparing big objects like crc32 or md5 (but faster)?
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[20:12] <blocky> how many OSDs could i reasonably expect to run on this cpu http://ark.intel.com/products/72061/Intel-Celeron-Processor-1007U-2M-Cache-1_50-GHz
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[20:20] <BlaXpirit> blocky, aren't you supposed to run one on each computer?
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[20:37] <iggy> no
[20:44] <SamYaple> blocky: as many as you want, but perforamnce will suffer
[20:45] <SamYaple> with a processor like that performance just inst going to be great in general
[20:45] <blocky> SamYaple: even 1 osd / core?
[20:46] <SamYaple> thats an old slow processor, performance wont be great in general
[20:49] <blocky> it was never fast to begin with but its from 2013
[20:50] <SamYaple> old is probably not the right word, but its a 2 core celeron.
[20:50] <SamYaple> how many osds do you want to run on it?
[20:50] <SamYaple> depending on the usage, it might strugle with a single osd
[20:50] <blocky> i'm probably going to build a new machine for this but im still researching and i only have a few hard drives, so i was trying to decide if its worth building a small node on the machine i've already got
[20:51] <blocky> sam just 1-2, sort of as a trial
[20:51] <SamYaple> yea go for it
[20:51] <SamYaple> just if you have perfomance issues dont blame ceph immediately is my only advice
[20:51] <blocky> yeah fair enough
[20:52] <blocky> right now I'm trying to decide if an atom c2750 would be good enough to run, say, 3-6 OSDs or if a xeon would be better
[20:53] <SamYaple> if youre thinking low power, lots of good arm deploys out there
[20:55] <blocky> really?
[20:56] <SamYaple> blocky: yea
[20:56] <SamYaple> you should read http://docs.ceph.com/docs/master/start/hardware-recommendations/
[20:56] <Titin> hi
[20:56] <via> i have a cluster with osd's on atoms
[20:56] <via> although its pretty low key
[20:57] <SamYaple> and thats the whole hting via, how do you plan to use it
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[20:57] <SamYaple> launching a bunch of vms? probably wont hold up
[20:57] <SamYaple> large cold-storage, might be fine
[20:58] <via> i run vms on it and its fine. but its personal not for enterprisy use
[20:58] <blocky> SamYaple: yeah i've looked through that, i guess I missed the mention of arm
[20:59] <blocky> are there arm servers with decent io options?
[21:00] <blocky> i'm just looking at building a home nas, maybe even a single node
[21:00] <SamYaple> the cpu isnt going to determine the io
[21:00] <SamYaple> other than limiting it
[21:00] <SamYaple> blocky: you might be fine with just that celeron then
[21:00] <SamYaple> best advice is to just test it
[21:01] <SamYaple> youre not going to lose data because your cpu is slow
[21:03] <blocky> somebody built a ceph cluster out of rasberry pis?
[21:04] <SamYaple> im sure
[21:05] <blocky> i hadn't really considered that, i guess they're using usb 2.0 instead of sata..
[21:05] <via> as i understand it, the performance of that cluster was almost unusable
[21:06] <SamYaple> that sounds probable via
[21:07] <blocky> looks like there's at least one SBC with dual core arm and sata, called cubieboard
[21:08] <via> it might have even required using an ancient version of ceph. i would not personally persue any arm options at this time, supports gonna suck
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[21:19] <blocky> hmm i guess ill stick to looking at atom/xeon for now
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