#ceph IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2016-03-02

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

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[0:04] <motk> leseb: thanks :)
[0:07] <motk> uh oh
[0:07] <motk> 'I need to resync again, I guess something went wrong with my rebase.'
[0:07] <motk> maybe if I hit F5 hundreds of times
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[0:34] <motk> git pull; git pull; git pull
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[1:35] <cholcombe> is it possible to restrict the ceph keyring to only be allowed to run certain ceph commands?
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[3:56] <via> with ceph-extras gone, is there any third party repo that has el6 rpms for qemu-kvm/img?
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[8:04] <Be-El> moin zusammen
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[11:25] <boolman> Should I expect any performance loss in using snapshots?
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[11:31] <boolman> haomaiwang: fix ur internetzzz
[11:31] <haomaiwang> boolman: oh, sorry
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[11:32] <elimatF> Hi I need some help in deciding what is best for me to use CephFS or RadosGW (S3 API)
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[11:33] <elimatF> today I have a application that stores pdf files. These are stored on an NFS mount and it is approx 2 milj files all located in the same direcory on the mounted drive
[11:35] <elimatF> I personally would like to go for the RadosGW options but the developers of the application would like to use CephFS since its a more "drop in" replcemnet of the solution today
[11:35] <elimatF> what is the pros for the different solutions?
[11:36] <elimatF> Also consider Backup and disaster/recovery
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[11:36] <elimatF> the files are mostly put once and not modified that much s?? alsmost only Read/Get of the files is requried
[11:38] <elimatF> I appreciate any feedback, thanks
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[12:04] <nils_> just replaced one journal SSD now the next one is failing
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[12:08] <rotbart> nils_, just being courious: what SSDs are you using?
[12:08] <nils_> Samsung 850 Pro
[12:10] <nils_> failing after 60 TBW
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[12:11] <rotbart> nils_, interesting, thanks
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[12:11] <nils_> it's just very unfortunate that they all happen to fail now
[12:14] <rotbart> did you monitor them in some way? I'll start building the next cluster the next weeks and don't have any idea how to see that a ssd will fail before it actually fails
[12:16] <nils_> not really, I think you can monitor smart values like wear level count etc, the funny thing is the other failed disk looked fine just yesterday
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[12:20] <rotbart> did you even notice the failure from client perspective? I guess with a bunch of OSDs + a good ssd:osd ratio the impact would be small, but don't have any real world examples
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[12:22] <nils_> yeah speed is reduced quite a bit, cluster is very small (3 osd servers, 18 OSD)
[12:22] <nils_> I hope I can shake loose a bit more hardware, but TBTB don't like the capital expenditure so I usually just grab some leftovers ;)
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[12:26] <rotbart> ah I see
[12:29] <nils_> shit one of the osd doesn't start up with the new journal device
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[12:32] <nils_> http://pastebin.com/x1fgSx4h anyone have an idea what this is?
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[13:01] <boolman> nils_: have you read http://www.sebastien-han.fr/blog/2014/10/10/ceph-how-to-test-if-your-ssd-is-suitable-as-a-journal-device/ ?
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[13:02] <nils_> boolman, nope.
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[13:03] <T1w> samsungs are notoriously bad
[13:03] <T1w> at least the non-DC ones
[13:04] <T1w> 840/850 pro and evo
[13:04] <T1w> someone told me some tima ago of replacing all of their 50+ samsung 840 pros within 1 year
[13:04] <T1w> time even
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[13:05] <nils_> I have Intel DC S3610 in the newest OSD server
[13:05] <T1w> .. and based on leseb's blog entry (the ont boolman linked to) and a few threads on the mailinglist I promptly went with Intel S3710s instead
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[13:05] <T1w> the one even
[13:05] <T1w> (dammit I can't type right today..)
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[13:21] <Mosibi> hi all.... we have issues with 5 PG's. Yesterday an ancient server was suddenly included in our cluster and from that moment we have $%$^#%# on our cluster. We stopped the ceph processes on that server and the cluster balanced, but thos 5 PGs still have the state incomplete and 1 is also down
[13:22] <Mosibi> Eventualy we marked the OSDs from that machine as lost, so that the PG would recover, but that is not picked up by the cluster
[13:22] <Mosibi> We still see 'blocked by' those OSDs in the pq query
[13:22] <Mosibi> Anyone a bright idea what we can do to let those PGs recover?
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[13:28] <nils_> T1w, DCS3610 as a compromise perhaps? 100 EUR difference...
[13:29] <T1w> nils_: others have said that they are using S3610s, but it all depends on the kind of workload etc etc
[13:29] <T1w> look at the differences between S3610 and S3710 on ark.intel.com
[13:29] <T1w> .. and see if its important for you
[13:30] <T1w> number of IOPS are the most important stats for ceph
[13:30] <nils_> http://ark.intel.com/compare/86640,82939 yeah that's quite the difference
[13:31] <Be-El> there are also the nvm models like p3700
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[13:36] <nils_> Be-El, yeah I'm definitely not getting one of those.
[13:37] <Be-El> nils_: any particular reason except the fact that the pci-e version is not hot-swapable and the 2.5" version requires a nvm slots?
[13:37] <Be-El> -s
[13:38] <nils_> Money.
[13:38] <nils_> I got a P3500 for my private server
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[13:42] <Be-El> p3700 pci-e is 658 euro, s3700 is 668 euro (400GB models)
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[14:06] <nils_> yeah 719 at the shop that I least mistrust (including VAT)
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[14:31] <elimatF> what would you recommend, use RadosGW (S3) to get files or to mount a cephFS storage?
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[14:37] <RogierDikkes> depends on a lot of factors
[14:38] <RogierDikkes> cephfs is not production ready till jewel from what i gathered.
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[14:41] <kami_d> Hello.
[14:42] <elimatF> RogierDikkes: thanks for feedback
[14:42] <kami_d> I'm a complete newbie and trying to follow the quickstart tutorial.
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[14:44] <kami_d> The test servers which I'm using are on completely different networks, some of them on 136.x.y.z and some on 145.a.b.c
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[14:44] <kami_d> how do I configure the public network setting in ceph.conf?
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[14:45] <nils_> those smell like routed IP addresses?
[14:47] <kami_d> nils_: yes, they are.
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[14:50] <kami_d> nils_: can I perform a test with a bunch of single NIC servers or not?
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[14:52] <Guest6389> hi everyone!!..... someone has worked with RBD and GFS2??
[14:53] <nils_> kami_d, it should be possible, you may have to set it to 0.0.0.0/0 or something...
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[14:53] <kami_d> nils_: that was my first idea, but thought I'd better ask people who know :)
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[14:54] <nils_> heh
[14:54] <nils_> usually easier to try it out and fail ;)
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[14:55] <rotbart> T1w, we also bought everything with intel dc s3710 \o/
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[14:58] <boolman> Should I expect any performance loss in using snapshots? Can't figure out why I have bad performance on a vm which image is a snapshot
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[15:37] <Mosibi> If i see this:
[15:37] <Mosibi> 2016-03-02 15:34:46.217792 7f326c586700 0 log_channel(cluster) log [WRN] : slow request 38.759844 seconds old, received at 2016-03-02 15:34:07.457871: osd_op(client.44217339.0:78786530 rbd_data.16206c673ce1bd.0000000000018f61 [set-alloc-hint object_size 4194304 write_size 4194304,write 2256896~4096] 1.c2fa3057 RETRY=113 ack+ondisk+retry+write+known_if_redirected e63549) currently reached_pg
[15:37] <Mosibi> what is then blocking what???
[15:38] <brians> Hello been reading todays posts here with interest.
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[15:40] <brians> I'm thinking of running 3 ceph servers each with 4x4tb NL SAS and I was hoping to put journals on 4 seperate 10GB partitions on 2 x ssds in RAID1
[15:40] <brians> would that work or would that actually become a bottlekneck?
[15:41] <Be-El> brians: I'm not sure how raid influence ssd access time in that case
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[15:42] <brians> Be-El I can always do it unraided.
[15:42] <brians> It was actually your dialogue I was reading earlier :)
[15:42] <brians> ^^ Be-El
[15:42] <Be-El> brians: the journal are accessed in a special way to ensure data integrity (sync + direct), which might conflict with raid
[15:43] <brians> right so could be better to just use JBOD . though I won't be using write cache - the only reason for raid here is to avoid failure of disk . in which case if disk was journal for 4 OSDs I would lose all those OSD datas ?
[15:43] <Be-El> brians: do you want to use software or hardware raid?
[15:43] <brians> It is a HW raid in this case
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[15:43] <brians> purely for protecting against failure of an ssd
[15:43] <Be-El> if you loose a journal disk, you also loose the OSDs' content
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[15:44] <brians> yep
[15:44] <Be-El> you might distribute the journals over both ssds, e.g. two journals per ssd
[15:44] <brians> which makes the idea of 4 journals on a single ssd a bit scary
[15:44] <brians> that sounds like a good idea.
[15:44] <Be-El> you will still loose some osds in case of a ssd failure
[15:45] <Be-El> if you have some test setup you can run some benchmarks
[15:45] <Be-El> http://www.sebastien-han.fr/blog/2014/10/10/ceph-how-to-test-if-your-ssd-is-suitable-as-a-journal-device/
[15:46] <Be-El> the first and most important site for ssd selection ;-)
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[15:46] <Be-El> the same test method is also valid for raid setups
[15:47] <flaf> with only 3 servers, if a node is down you need to check that data balancing will be supported.
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[15:59] <Adosaa> hi everyone!!..... someone has worked with RBD and GFS2??
[16:00] <rkeene> NO
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[16:01] <brians> some good reading on the subject I was just discussing with Be-El https://www.hastexo.com/resources/hints-and-kinks/solid-state-drives-and-ceph-osd-journals/
[16:01] <Daan> Hi,
[16:01] <Daan> It seems that the VM was migrated to another ESXi host during the backup process. I've changed the treshold for the migrations, it should now take more time before VMware decides to migrate the VM, I expect that this will prevent the migrations during backups.
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[16:02] <Daan> Sorry, pasted something in chat -.-'
[16:02] <rkeene> Daan, You are NOT forgiven.
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[16:28] <t4nk995> Hello everybody I'm new to Ceph Technology ,So I have some difficulty to understand How Journal OSD Works exactly
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[16:29] <t4nk995> any one here ?
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[16:32] <m0zes> t4nk995: it works similarly to other filesystem journals
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[16:36] <t4nk995> Hello everybody I'm new to Ceph Technology ,So I have some difficulty to understand How Journal OSD Works exactly
[16:38] <m0zes> t4nk995: what exactly are you having trouble understanding?
[16:39] <m0zes> certain filesystem operations are expected to be atomic. that is what a journaling filesystem can do (e.g. write a changelog, in case of crash log can be replayed to get to a safe state)
[16:40] <m0zes> ceph's journals compile larger (and more complex) operations into a "changelog" that can then be replayed to guarantee atomicity.
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[16:43] <t4nk995> for instance if we want to store 1 GO of data how much of data will be stored in the Journal ?
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[16:46] <m0zes> 1GB written with O_SYNC. it will be written to the OSD then too, but "synced" to disk at "filestore_max_sync_interval" (defaults to every 5 seconds)
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[16:49] <t4nk995> every 5 second what gonna happen ?
[16:49] <m0zes> a flush is called on the osd filesystem. makeing the data safe on the osd, then the journal can be re-used
[16:51] <t4nk995> what is the purpose of re-using the journal ?
[16:52] <t4nk995> Am I right we user O_DIRECT to write the first IO in the journal ?
[16:53] <t4nk995> or it's O_SYNC like you said ?
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[16:54] <m0zes> pretty sure it is O_SYNC
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[16:54] <t4nk995> and what is the purpose of re-using the journal ?
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[16:55] <Be-El> it's both, sync+direct
[16:55] <m0zes> for more writes. O_SYNC writing is slow for lots of disks (spinning disks and cheap->midrange ssds). if there is no journal, all writes to the whole FS need to be O_SYNC vs with a journal a flush can batch larger IOs every filestore_max_sync_interval
[16:55] <Be-El> t4nk995: the journal is a ringbuffer
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[16:57] <t4nk995> I still dont see the big picture of the journal can someone give an example of the journal ?
[16:58] <m0zes> an ssd that holds a (temporary) transaction log.
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[16:59] <m0zes> letting changes get re-played in the event of a system crash.
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[17:01] <t4nk995> and then ?
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[17:02] <m0zes> and then what? that is its purpose. it holds at most filestore_max_sync_interval seconds of data. once that threshhold is hit, data is flushed onto the real storage. and the journal is re-used for more transactions.
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[17:04] <t4nk995> that sound great okey
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[17:05] <flaf> m0zes: I have lot of space in my journal (imagine 20GB of space in SSD for a OSD in SATA spinning disk), then I can increase the value of filestore_max_sync_interval, correct? Can I hope better perf of my ceph cluster in this case?
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[17:07] <t4nk995> why you wante to increase the value of filestore_max_sync_interval ?
[17:07] <m0zes> flaf: you want 2 * max_sync_interval * max_write_rate_of_osd, otherwise it (probably) isn't doing much good. I've not toyed with changing the sync interval...
[17:08] <m0zes> you might want to change it if you have spiky writes. i.e. flatout writes for 60 seconds, and nothing for 5 minutes...
[17:08] <t4nk995> I dont know exactly :(
[17:09] <t4nk995> how many years you have been working with ceph ?
[17:09] <flaf> It's maybe naive but I'was telling me that with a bigger filestore_max_sync_interval, the cluster could support a bigger load of writings...
[17:10] <Be-El> flaf: but the amount of time needed for flushing the journal might become larger. and during that period no filestore operations are possible
[17:11] <m0zes> potentially, but all that data still has to get flushed to disk.
[17:11] <flaf> Be-El: yes indeed. No miracle, it's was a naive idea. ;)
[17:11] <Be-El> flaf: it depends on your workload
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[17:17] <t4nk995> thers is any possibility to add another OSD to a running ceph cluster or adding another Disque to an OSD ?
[17:17] <IcePic> adding osd to ceph, sure. It was designed for that
[17:18] <IcePic> adding and removing
[17:18] <t4nk995> even its running ?
[17:18] <m0zes> yes
[17:18] <IcePic> yes, in 2016, one can add disks to clusters without rebooting. =)
[17:18] <m0zes> an osd is (typically) 1 disk.
[17:18] <IcePic> yeah, one osd per disk is the norm. Stick to that
[17:19] <t4nk995> so we have the possibility to add disk if an OSD failed
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[17:20] <t4nk995> moreover if the journal failed what's gonna happened ?
[17:20] <m0zes> yes. ceph should recover (if you have the spare capacity) you can remove the old, add the new. or just add new.
[17:21] <IcePic> the journal is tied to the osd, so if the journal dies, more or less the osd dies. (depending on how it fails, perhaps but basically)
[17:21] <m0zes> if journal fails, you treat it as if you lost the whole osd (normally). remove the osd, wipe the partition, re-create with new journal device.
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[17:21] <m0zes> which is one of the reasons you should get *good* ssds.
[17:21] <m0zes> they get a hell of a lot of writes.
[17:22] <IcePic> and extra capacity on the whole cluster at all times
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[17:22] <t4nk995> but this will influence the cluster No ? if the journal failed
[17:22] <IcePic> if an OSD fails, clients that need that data need to go to another of the copies of the same data
[17:22] <t4nk995> there is no secure plain to prevent the journal of being failed ?
[17:23] <m0zes> normal sizing rules, once you hit 50% think about ordering hardware. 60% order it, 75% make sure you're adding your new hardware to the cluster past haste.
[17:23] <IcePic> in the last 50 years, noone has made a system that "prevents failures". You (ceph in this case) design to withstand failure, not "prevent" it.
[17:24] <IcePic> so you ask ceph to have 2,3,4 extra copies spread around, and ceph will make sure copies never end up on the same disk as the original. if an OSD fails, clients look for the secondary copy, if that also fails, look for the tertiary copy and so on
[17:24] <t4nk995> the more you have OSDs the more you journal wont fail ?
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[17:24] <IcePic> that sentence doesnt make sense.
[17:25] <t4nk995> why ?
[17:26] <IcePic> because "journal wont fail" is not an on/off option. OSDs will fail, journal is a part of an osd, as is the disk behind the journal.
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[17:26] <t4nk995> Yeah you right
[17:26] <IcePic> all of it will fail, but you will not lose data if you design for it to happen
[17:27] <t4nk995> I think the solution is to have enough replica I think ..
[17:27] <t4nk995> enough number of replica
[17:27] <IcePic> dont get hung up on "this one thing should not fail" because it will. look at if the data is still reachable or not, and what risk you see for 3,4,5 machines dying at the same time.
[17:28] <IcePic> can 100 boxes fail on the same second? In theory yes. Does it happen a lot? nah. Does one disk or one box crash at times? Sure. A replica or three will handle that.
[17:28] <t4nk995> yeah I didn't think about that
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[17:28] <IcePic> weigh the risks of 3 boxes failing -vs- cost of adding 3 more boxes.
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[17:29] <IcePic> too expensive? go for two extra. Not safe enough, buy 10 extra. Spread in two datacenters or something
[17:29] <IcePic> tell the crush map how your boxes, racks, datacenters look like and ceph will spread the data for you.
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[17:30] <t4nk995> yeah you right
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[17:47] <saru95> HI ! I???m new to Ceph . I???ve just built it and set up a test cluster . Can I be guided on how to proceed from here on ? thanks
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[18:08] <m0zes> start using the storage. be it with radosgw, rbd, rados, or cephfs.
[18:10] <saru95> Ohh ! alright, thanks !
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[19:08] <diq> it's the best way to figure stuff out
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[19:09] <diq> there are many deployment scenarios possible, so you're going to rebuild that cluster at least 4-5 times before getting everything right for your application
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[19:24] <Aeso> I have a quick question about PGs. So I'm playing with ceph.com/pgcalc and trying to set up two pools for CephFS. When I give it my numbers with a target PGs per OSD of 120, I get back a total number of PGs across both pool that would give 24 PGs per OSD.
[19:24] <Aeso> Surely something is wrong here?
[19:25] <diq> That seems low, no?
[19:25] <diq> I thought the minimum was 30 PG's per OSD
[19:26] <Aeso> I guess I can quadruple the number of PGs per pool and get 96 PGs per OSD, I'm just a little lost as to why the calculator gave numbers so far from optimal.
[19:28] <diq> is it a low number of OSD's?
[19:28] <diq> I ran into that with the calculator
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[19:36] <Aeso> diq, yes
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[19:41] <Aeso> I notice if I set the size to 1 I get a more appropriate number of PGs. Am I misunderstanding how PGs work? Does it generate a set of PGs per replica size?
[19:43] <johnavp1989> Aeso: How many OSD's do you have?
[19:43] <Aeso> 6, currently.
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[19:48] <johnavp1989> Aeso you may want to stick to the recommendations here until you have more OSD's http://docs.ceph.com/docs/master/rados/operations/placement-groups/
[19:50] <Aeso> johnavp1989, I ran some tests and the calculator came back with even lower PGs per OSD when I started bumping the drive count up to 60, 600, etc
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[19:51] <johnavp1989> Aeso ok so what's your concern?
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[19:53] <Aeso> well, assuming I've got an understanding of how the PGs work I think I've got my numbers anyways
[19:54] <Aeso> the concern is just that the calculator gave numbers that would put ceph in a health_warn condition if a new user actually used them
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[19:58] <johnavp1989> Aeso I just tested myself and I don't see what you're seeing
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[19:58] <johnavp1989> Even with 600 or 1000's OSD's
[19:59] <johnavp1989> Just remember if you plan to add OSD's in the future you may want to oversubscribe your OSDs a bit
[20:00] <Aeso> johnavp1989, 6 size, set the OSDs to whatever you want, I've got two pools, 90% and 10% target of 120 PGs per OSd
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[20:01] <johnavp1989> Aeso: you set the size to 6? Are you really going to have 6 replicas?
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[20:02] <Aeso> johnavp1989, erasure coding, the calculator says to set the size to the k+m value
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[20:06] <jdohms> Could someone explain why my ceph status could be showing a higher 'data' value than 'used' value in a healthy cluster? "6734 MB data, 4145 MB used" Normally it's the other way around, in my experience.
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[20:08] <Aeso> jdohms, did you create a clone of a block device snapshot or something similar?
[20:08] <jdohms> I am trying to test and understand thin provisioned disk images.
[20:10] <johnavp1989> Aeso: Sorry didn't realize you were using erasure coding. I've never set it up before
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[20:43] <jdohms> Sorry, I think I had ignore turned on earlier.... Could someone explain why my ceph status could be showing a higher 'data' value than 'used' value in a healthy cluster? "6734 MB data, 4145 MB used" Normally it's the other way around, in my experience.
[20:49] <Aeso> jdohms, did you create a clone of a block device snapshot or something similar?
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[21:26] <jdohms> Aeso: I have not created any clones, but I did fill up then empty an 20G NTFS disk image.
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[21:27] <jdohms> It went up to around 20G data / 40G used, then back down to 5G data / 12G used.
[21:28] <jdohms> From the windows client I ran a retrim (defrag /L), which is when the number ratios reversed. 6G data / 4G used.
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[22:50] <devicenull> how do I rebuild the fast-diff map for an image?
[22:51] <devicenull> fast-diff map is invalid for x. operation may be slow.
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[22:54] <joshd1> object-map rebuild
[22:54] <devicenull> oh, I have to do that again?
[22:54] <devicenull> I did object-map rebuild, then enabled the fast-diff feature
[22:54] <joshd1> ah, that'd do it yeah
[22:55] <devicenull> yea couldnt enable fast-diff without an object map
[22:55] <joshd1> fast-diff means marking when things changed between snapshots in the object map
[22:55] <joshd1> you could enabled object map, then fast-diff, then rebuild
[22:55] <devicenull> nah it didnt let me
[22:56] <joshd1> that sounds like a bug
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[22:57] <devicenull> I apparently lost the error message it gave me, maybe I'm just not remembering properly
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[23:29] <benh57> one of my osds is crashing with this, any way to make it skip?
[23:29] <benh57> load_pgs: have pgid 0.d at epoch 62664, but missing map. Crashing.
[23:31] <benh57> remove with objectstore-tool somehow?
[23:31] <benh57> 9.2.1
[23:31] <benh57> actually more correctly, 9.2.0 attempting to upgrade to 9.2.1
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[23:35] <benh57> that pg seems fine, and it's on other osds.
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[23:37] <benh57> also is there much danger in marking a osd as 'lost', as long as i have zero unfound objects? I have a pg stuck down+peering, pg query suggests i can mark it lost or bring it up
[23:37] <benh57> the blocking osd that is.
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