#ceph IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2016-02-17

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[0:02] <cathode> p
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[0:18] <hoonetorg> neurodrone: tried ceph-prepare with 10.0.3 last weekend
[0:19] <neurodrone> With dmcrypt?
[0:19] <hoonetorg> s/ceph-prepare/ceph-disk
[0:19] <hoonetorg> yep
[0:19] <neurodrone> I see.
[0:19] <neurodrone> I am on 0.94.6.
[0:19] <neurodrone> Oops, I mean 0.94.5.
[0:20] <hoonetorg> but after reboot osd's did not come up
[0:20] <neurodrone> Ooh.
[0:20] <neurodrone> Did the udev rules fire fine?
[0:20] <hoonetorg> i needed to restart ceph-osd
[0:20] <hoonetorg> and then it worked
[0:20] <hoonetorg> some kind of race probably
[0:20] <neurodrone> So the mounts were present in /dev/mapper?
[0:20] <neurodrone> Before you restarted the OSDs?
[0:20] <hoonetorg> luks devs were present
[0:20] <hoonetorg> but not mounted
[0:21] <neurodrone> Ooh!
[0:21] <neurodrone> Looks like a problem with the udev race yeah.
[0:21] <neurodrone> Ugh.
[0:21] <hoonetorg> then i restarted with systemctl restart ceph-osd.target
[0:21] <hoonetorg> and then they were there
[0:21] <neurodrone> I see.
[0:21] <neurodrone> That???s interesting.
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[0:21] <hoonetorg> so not fully fail-safe - but nearly
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[0:23] <hoonetorg> for now i will stay with crypttab /mounts in fstab and my saltstack module which activate manually
[0:23] <hoonetorg> no ceph-disk
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[0:25] <hoonetorg> ah i use ceph-disk prepare with the fs directory, then i manually link the journal (which fails with luks - because it's not detected as an partition and ceph-disk wants to create gpt on it)
[0:26] <hoonetorg> and then i do a disk prepare
[0:26] <hoonetorg> this works for hammer
[0:26] <hoonetorg> i mean last step ceph-disk activate
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[0:28] <hoonetorg> but even more i like that http://redpill-linpro.com/sysadvent/2015/12/18/stateless-osd-servers.html
[0:29] <hoonetorg> probably i do something similar when upgrading to jewel
[0:29] <hoonetorg> thanks TheSov2 for that link ^^^ (i think he gave me)
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[0:41] <hoonetorg> neurodrone: if you try and find the race feel free to report me back :)
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[4:43] <avib> Hi, is anyone using jemalloc with ceph osds on ubuntu?
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[11:26] <boolman> anyone here familiar with the chef cookbook for osd deployment?
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[13:17] <boichev> Why do I have a different information given from "ceph pg 2.3a query" and "ceph pg map 2.3a" ? http://pastebin.com/w5Lw39LS
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[13:33] <mistur> Hello
[13:33] <mistur> I'd like to add some metrics of my ceph cluster into observium
[13:34] <mistur> like osd performance
[13:34] <mistur> is something already exist ?
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[14:25] <sravan> Hi
[14:25] <sravan> we are facing an issue with "closing stale sessions" issue
[14:26] <sravan> closing stale session client.1314141 10.115.209.127:0/33010 after 302.346433
[14:26] <sravan> is there a way to prevent this ? we have centos 6.7 based clients (300 of them) connecting to the ceph cluster (on Ubuntu 14 - Hammer)
[14:26] <sravan> mounted using ceph-fuse
[14:27] <sravan> any clues ?
[14:28] <- *sravan* Hi
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[14:51] <MrBy> hi, is it somehow possible to set multiple values within one statement "ceph osd pool set" for one pool?
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[15:01] <jcsp> MrBy: nope, it's one at a time
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[15:02] <jcsp> sravan: that indicates that your clients are not getting messages through to the MDS promptly
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[15:03] <jcsp> sravan: I'd suggest you try to narrow down the issue by running a smaller number of clients at a time
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[15:03] <jcsp> and check whether your MDS is responsive in general; if lots of clients are doing lots of metadata io they could be overwhelming it
[15:03] <sravan> okay, generally we see it is fine for 15 hours
[15:04] <sravan> then we loose the clients
[15:04] <sravan> on smaller number - we don't seem to have any issues
[15:04] <sravan> is there anything we can do to identify the specific root cause ?
[15:05] <sravan> MDS is responsive
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[15:17] <jcsp> sravan: you could try turning up the "debug mds" setting to 10, and then when you get a client evicted you can grep the log for recent activity from that client and see what was going on
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[15:17] <jcsp> you should also check that you clients are all healthy in these situations: if you for example had some very IO-busy or swapping clients then they might be failing to report in in time
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[15:20] <sravan> oh ok, our clients are running busy IO ops - so is there something we can do to make them report in time / not loose their sessions ?
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[15:22] <jayjay> anyone using the lsi 3008 hba?
[15:23] <jayjay> what is the best firmware for this hba?
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[15:23] <monsted> in general, for ceph, you'll want the IT firmware.
[15:24] <jayjay> yeah i know
[15:24] <jayjay> but we have some issues with the 10.0.0.0 firmware
[15:24] <jayjay> if we delete a lot of data some of the osd hosts are loosing all of there disks
[15:25] <monsted> 10.0.0.0 sounds... untested :)
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[15:25] <jayjay> lol
[15:25] <jayjay> should be 10.0.0.1 ;0
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[15:27] <jayjay> 10.00.03.00 is the latest version
[15:28] <jayjay> does anyone have experience with this version of the firmware?
[15:28] <jayjay> or ran into the same issues as we have?
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[16:45] <wujek> hi guys
[16:45] <wujek> wii
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[16:45] <wujek> is there any simple way to get used disk space bucket-by-bucket?
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[18:28] <TheSov-Remote> has anyone tried bluestore yet?
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[18:57] <monsted> new numbers from backblaze, https://www.backblaze.com/blog/hard-drive-reliability-q4-2015/
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[19:23] <desmond1984> Hello everybody, Is it safe to put a ceph cluster with just 3 nodes and 1 OSD/1 disk on each one in production? Does ceph guarantee I won't lose my data if one disk fails?
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[19:28] <bjozet> desmond1984: well, yeah, if you have replication :)
[19:28] <bjozet> desmond1984: but i suppose performance will be poor (unless you have really speedy disks)
[19:28] <desmond1984> I created a pool size = 3, minsize = 2. Is that the safest setting?
[19:30] <bjozet> suppose so
[19:30] <bjozet> what disks do you have?
[19:30] <bjozet> :)
[19:31] <desmond1984> 3 SSD 500GB samsung 850
[19:31] <hoonetorg> hopefully not evo's
[19:32] <desmond1984> oh what's wrong with evo's?
[19:32] <qman__> they're for desktops/laptops, they don't have a lot of write endurance
[19:33] <desmond1984> do you think they might die at the same moment?
[19:33] <qman__> most likely yes
[19:33] <qman__> or close enough to be a problem
[19:33] <desmond1984> well damn, what would you suggest?
[19:33] <hoonetorg> i use 840pro's for @home
[19:33] <qman__> the cluster will write approximately the same amount of data to each disk, meaning they'll all wear at the same rate
[19:34] <hoonetorg> if the 1st one dies i buy s3700 100gb for @home
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[19:34] <hoonetorg> (i hv ssd as journal)
[19:34] <qman__> 840 pro, 850 pro, 950 pro where applicable, and some intel ones
[19:35] <qman__> or just stick with spinning rust
[19:35] <qman__> and more of it
[19:36] <hoonetorg> desmond1984: i had serious performance degration in my nb with that evo stuff
[19:36] <hoonetorg> that's why i don't like them too much
[19:37] <qman__> evos are not meant for that type of setup
[19:37] <qman__> they're great for cheap desktop and laptop SSDs
[19:37] <qman__> not for raids, clusters, etc
[19:37] <hoonetorg> even pro's are end customer stuff
[19:38] <hoonetorg> 840pro write endurance (on paper): 150TB
[19:38] <hoonetorg> intel s3700: 1800tb
[19:38] <qman__> well, they're not enterprise, anyway
[19:38] <hoonetorg> if i remember correctly
[19:38] <qman__> pros are generally good enough for light to moderate loads in arrays and clusters, though
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[19:38] <hoonetorg> qman__: do you mean intels also not enterprise?
[19:39] <qman__> no, samsung pros, 840/850/950
[19:39] <hoonetorg> k
[19:39] <qman__> intel makes both
[19:39] <qman__> serious enterprise stuff and prosumer stuff
[19:39] <qman__> I'm not up on the specific models
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[19:40] <hoonetorg> qman__: is there some even better than s36xx and s37xx from intel???
[19:40] <qman__> I don't know
[19:40] <hoonetorg> k
[19:40] <hoonetorg> thx
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[19:40] <hoonetorg> desmond1984: do you want ssd only?
[19:41] <hoonetorg> or mixed
[19:41] <hoonetorg> ssd journal + rotating disk backend
[19:42] <desmond1984> I have now 1 drive 500GB SSD Samsung Evo on each node, 3 nodes cluster, 1 pool with settings (min size = 2, size = 3). Following your advices I could add 3 more SSD disks, 1 one of each node. What model would you recommend? I am running a database so latency it might be my issue, that's why I opted for the SSD only configuration.
[19:43] <hoonetorg> wait
[19:44] <hoonetorg> sata or m.2?
[19:44] <desmond1984> sata
[19:45] <hoonetorg> 850pro's 500gb cost 200eur here (germany/austria)
[19:45] <hoonetorg> evo's 149
[19:45] <hoonetorg> cheap update 850pro's
[19:46] <desmond1984> How much are the intel s36xx there?
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[19:48] <hoonetorg> Intel SSD DC S3610 800GB write endurance 5300tb !!!
[19:48] <hoonetorg> 660eur
[19:49] <desmond1984> not bad! :)
[19:49] <hoonetorg> so (anybody here correct me) with that Intel SSD DC S3610 800GB you would have a real production ssd's for ceph
[19:50] <hoonetorg> http://www.sebastien-han.fr/blog/2014/10/10/ceph-how-to-test-if-your-ssd-is-suitable-as-a-journal-device/
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[19:51] <hoonetorg> desmond1984: read that ^^^, i couldn't try, but they should also be much faster
[19:52] <desmond1984> thanks for sharing
[19:53] <hoonetorg> some enterprise ssd's also have other nice features like a capacitor, which keeps electrical power on power outage and has enough to write down the queue to chips on power outage
[19:53] <hoonetorg> (oh my english is not good :) )
[19:55] <desmond1984> I am also a bit puzzled reading the ceph df output, maybe someone of you guys can help me out to wrap my head around it.
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[19:55] <desmond1984> GLOBAL:
[19:55] <desmond1984> SIZE AVAIL RAW USED %RAW USED
[19:55] <desmond1984> 1324G 720G 604G 45.62
[19:55] <desmond1984> POOLS:
[19:55] <desmond1984> NAME ID USED %USED MAX AVAIL OBJECTS
[19:55] <desmond1984> rbd 3 201G 15.24 239G 51996
[19:57] <hoonetorg> the last line is aware of the copies you have (3 , min 2) afaik
[19:57] <desmond1984> I assume 239G is the free space. Is that correct?
[19:58] <hoonetorg> so used+avail ~= 450 x 3 = 1350
[19:58] <hoonetorg> et voila
[19:58] <hoonetorg> used: 200 x 3 = 600 (raw used)
[19:59] <hoonetorg> number of copies are per pool and can be changed online (afaik)
[20:00] <hoonetorg> so you could have a pool with 4 copies with important data and a pool with 3 copies for easy-to-automatic-recreate-vms
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[20:01] <desmond1984> Let's say I have a spare disk of 500GB and I connect it to node 1. Would that affect the space available? I assume with the replica setting to 3, it won't make any difference because I need at least 1 copy per host.
[20:01] <hoonetorg> yep
[20:02] <hoonetorg> so per default copies are per host (has to do with crush map)
[20:02] <desmond1984> so pool size=3 means the total available disk space is the min of the space of the 3 nodes.
[20:03] <hoonetorg> yep
[20:04] <desmond1984> What happens if the one of the nodes available space shrink? I would end up with undersized pgs?
[20:04] <hoonetorg> for your 3node cluster you add 1disk per host to increase space
[20:04] <hoonetorg> i did not try yet but i assume yes
[20:04] <hoonetorg> i don't know if it takes min copies into account???
[20:05] <hoonetorg> so this is 2 for you
[20:05] <desmond1984> then to get back to health status I guess I would need to remove an OSD from the other nodes as well
[20:05] <desmond1984> I mean that would be a way, assuming the disks are not near full
[20:05] <hoonetorg> you can remove one disk at any time
[20:06] <hoonetorg> because you have 2 nodes left which ensure that you have your min copies of 2
[20:06] <desmond1984> my understanding is min size = 2 means the cluster won't let me to access an object if there isn't at least 2 copies available
[20:06] <hoonetorg> yes
[20:07] <desmond1984> I have another cluster in a lab environment
[20:07] <desmond1984> 3 nodes
[20:08] <desmond1984> Node A: 6 disks 1,8TB
[20:08] <desmond1984> Node B: 6 disk 4TB each
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[20:08] <desmond1984> Node C: 6 disks 4TB each
[20:08] <hoonetorg> k
[20:09] <desmond1984> I removed the Node A
[20:09] <desmond1984> and all osd from it
[20:09] <desmond1984> then I added a new node D: 4 disks 1,8TB each
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[20:09] <hoonetorg> 3copies - 2copies min?
[20:10] <desmond1984> I ended up in HEALTH_WARN status with 1 pgs degraded, 1 pgs stuck degreded
[20:10] <desmond1984> yes, min size = 2, size = 3, 1 pool
[20:10] <desmond1984> Do you think I should remove some OSD from node B and C?
[20:11] <hoonetorg> oh i don't know exactly
[20:11] <desmond1984> Node B and Node C total raw size is about 24Tb each
[20:12] <desmond1984> Node A has just 7,2Tb
[20:12] <hoonetorg> some log output would be interesting copied to some gist.github or ...
[20:12] <desmond1984> ok, I am doing that
[20:12] <hoonetorg> ah only 4 disks
[20:13] <hoonetorg> that might be an issue
[20:13] <hoonetorg> but other experts here???
[20:14] <hoonetorg> the size is afaik not that important as long as the smallest node does not become full
[20:15] <desmond1984> http://pastebin.com/yEHy89FP
[20:16] <desmond1984> osd tree -> http://pastebin.com/yLrt26W1
[20:17] <desmond1984> proxmox6-1 is the new node D
[20:18] <hoonetorg> so your proxmox6 is down?
[20:18] <hoonetorg> you already took all osd's out
[20:18] <desmond1984> yes
[20:18] <hoonetorg> it was nodeA wasn't it
[20:18] <desmond1984> exactly
[20:20] <hoonetorg> not much space is used on the cluster, but i think you must add 2 additional disks to proxmox6-1
[20:20] <hoonetorg> if that's easy for you
[20:20] <desmond1984> unfortunately there isn't any free slot on proxmox6-1 :(
[20:21] <hoonetorg> :(
[20:21] <desmond1984> I am wondering if removing 4 osd for each node proxmox4 and proxmox5 would help..
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[20:22] <hoonetorg> 4x1.8tb = 7.2tb only 700 gb used
[20:22] <hoonetorg> you can remove 2 osds from node b and c for now
[20:23] <hoonetorg> so that b c and d have 4 osds each
[20:23] <hoonetorg> that might help
[20:23] <desmond1984> I think also the problem might be the pg_num which is now 1024.
[20:24] <desmond1984> is it possible to change the pg_num of a pool?
[20:24] <hoonetorg> it's written in the docs
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[20:25] <hoonetorg> and -> i don't know
[20:25] <hoonetorg> :)
[20:25] <hoonetorg> but if your pg's are too high
[20:26] <hoonetorg> you get "too many pg's per osd (if more than 300 per osd)
[20:26] <hoonetorg> but that is not the case here
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[20:29] <hoonetorg> desmond1984: i think i'm off now, some real life todo's
[20:30] <hoonetorg> could i help you?
[20:30] <hoonetorg> any questions left?
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[20:31] <desmond1984> thank you very much hoonetorg!
[20:31] <desmond1984> really appreciated your help
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[20:33] <hoonetorg> with no guarantee i think you need the same number of osd's per hosts and that should solve your problem
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[21:28] <neurodrone_> Is there a way to pull the client I/O and recovery I/O parameters from the ceph status output from its json?
[21:33] <TheSov-Remote> --format
[21:33] <TheSov-Remote> ceph -s --format json
[21:33] <TheSov-Remote> wait ive never tried that
[21:33] <TheSov-Remote> i wonder if it works
[21:34] <TheSov-Remote> i know it works for pgdump
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[21:36] <neurodrone_> TheSov-Remote: Yeah. I meant --format json doesn't show recovery or client I/O.
[21:37] <TheSov-Remote> oh?
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[21:37] <neurodrone_> ceph -s does.
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[21:41] <minnesotags> Is there a spot for comparing rados benchmarks to other installations?
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[21:50] <neurodrone_> I should also probably mention I am on Hammer.
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[21:52] <TheSov-Remote> i assume most are on hammer as jewel isnt out yet
[21:52] <TheSov-Remote> and infernalis is a intermediate
[21:53] <TheSov-Remote> neurodrone_, did you try ceph -w --format json?
[21:53] <neurodrone_> Doesn't that block?
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[21:53] <TheSov-Remote> well yes but you can pipe it out
[21:53] <neurodrone_> I want something that doesn't block but just spits out output and quit.
[21:54] <neurodrone_> Yeah, the --format json doesn't work with that.
[21:54] <TheSov-Remote> you tried?
[21:54] <neurodrone_> Tried it out.
[21:54] <TheSov-Remote> my cluster is down right now i cant test things lol
[21:54] <TheSov-Remote> its all shut down!
[21:55] <hoonetorg> works on 10.0.3
[21:55] <neurodrone_> hoonetorg: What does?
[21:55] <hoonetorg> ceph -s --format json
[21:55] <neurodrone_> ceph -w --format json?
[21:55] <neurodrone_> Yeah, that works everywhere.
[21:55] <hoonetorg> but not on hammer
[21:55] <neurodrone_> ceph -w --format json doesn't make much sense to me. I don't know what it would mean to serialize a stream into JSON.
[21:56] <hoonetorg> oh sorry
[21:56] <hoonetorg> yes it works
[21:56] <neurodrone_> hoonetorg: For hammer I am doing `ceph status --format json`.
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[21:56] <neurodrone_> But as status is just a long form of `-s` both should work fine.
[21:56] <TheSov-Remote> neurodrone_, just ceph -w --format json >> outputfile && tail outputfile
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[21:57] <neurodrone_> TheSov-Remote: I meant --format json doesn't work with -w.
[21:57] <TheSov-Remote> damn
[21:57] <neurodrone_> I see the recovery I/O and everything though in -w so that's nice.
[21:57] <neurodrone_> But I mean I see that even in -s. The only problem is it vanishes when I output it as JSON.
[21:58] <TheSov-Remote> before we started moving our ceph cluster to the DC we had a monitor on the wall with the ceph -w
[21:58] <neurodrone_> Nice! We are currently trying out prometheus for metrics so we stare at our dashboard to see if any of the graphs look wonky.
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[22:00] <TheSov-Remote> right now im trying to figure out how to get object requests into logstalgia
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[22:00] <TheSov-Remote> i want it to show osd.X where the ip's go
[22:00] <TheSov-Remote> and the object name where the url goes
[22:00] <neurodrone_> This is what it looks like when things are fine: http://susepaste.org/view/raw/78046752.
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[22:01] <neurodrone_> There are ton of other metrics we collect that ceph exposes so the overall dashboard looks quite pretty/ugly depending on how you see it. :)
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[22:38] <porunov> Does somebody had problems with creating a new bucket vie s3cmd? I get always the same error when run "s3cmd mb s3://first-bucket". "ERROR: S3 error: 405 (MethodNotAllowed)"
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[23:05] <g3ek> register osklaposius guilh_22@hotmail.com
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[23:08] <TheSov-Remote> u forgot to add /msg nickserv
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[23:12] <g3ek> yep, so change the pasword and did it ^^
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[23:13] <g3ek> haha
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[23:16] <minnesotags> I have a cluster of 8 1TB ssd drives using xfs. I read that mounting them inode64 could be advantageous especially on drives over 1TB. So I tried. Before, using rados bench 100sec, I had 75mb/sec sustained bandwidth. After, I had 85mb/sec sustained bandwidth. with a 10 second rados bench, before was 115mb/sec, after was 90mb/sec.
[23:17] <minnesotags> So for continuous heavy use, it seems with 1tb ssd drives that inode64 is better for heavy continuous hammering, but worse for short output. Is this the common finding?
[23:22] <diq> slab caching in OS?
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[23:43] <kosfar> hello cephers
[23:44] <kosfar> does anybody by any chance know if I can recover unfound objects from the filesystem of a crashed OSD and import them back to a running cluster?
[23:45] <kosfar> the OSD is not coming up but I can find the missing objects in the underlying filesystem
[23:46] <kosfar> thought of asking here first before posting to mailing list
[23:46] <kosfar> the version is firefly latest stable
[23:48] <minnesotags> diq, it is debian 8 Jessie.
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[23:52] <minnesotags> Using cat/proc/meminfo, the slab memory and SReclaimable are about the same at 1733024 and 1631044 respectively.
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