#ceph IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2016-01-23

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[3:01] <clay> hi all - I am taking a first look at ceph and am wondering how to use block and object storage when all I know is r/w to block devices formatted with mkfs - would anyone point me to a good article or two? Thanks!
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[3:37] <InIMoeK> clay for start you can look at this presentation which is very usefull to understand the ceph stuff
[3:37] <InIMoeK> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyH1C0C4HzM
[3:38] <clay> InIMoeK - thanks! - I'm new to all this ...
[3:38] <InIMoeK> and here are some how to's from TheSov
[3:38] <InIMoeK> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZnE1ad97s3Kjq_BVOf15EQ
[3:38] <InIMoeK> also very usefull
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[3:39] <clay> @InIMoek tks!
[3:39] <cephalobot`> clay: Error: "InIMoek" is not a valid command.
[3:39] <InIMoeK> clay yw
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[14:48] <mcstar> hello everyone! i'm new to ceph. i've created a ceph filesystem, and mounted it on a client. i was wondering, why does my writes to thus filesystem complete before the transfer of data has been completed from the client to cephfs? basically i see my 'cp' command return way faster than my transfer rate on my nic settle back.
[14:51] <mcstar> i've looked at the mount.ceph options, but didn't see anything relevant except write_congestion_kb, i've tried setting it to a lower value, but it didn't help
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[14:54] <mcstar> maybe this issue is completely irrelevant from ceph, it's just that i haven't noticed this kind of agressive buffering before...
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[15:41] <mcstar> so, i tried to connect through the fuse interface, and this time the write completes around the same time that traffic settles back down
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[19:06] <TheSov> SLURM!
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[19:48] <InIMoeK> has anyone stuggled with the whole salt thing on calamari?
[19:49] <InIMoeK> I'm having one node where salt-minion crashes when I do a salt-call
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[20:08] <TheSov> sorry never tried calimari
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[20:13] <InIMoeK> ah got it fixed
[20:14] <InIMoeK> turned out salt-minion cache folder was corrupted
[20:14] <InIMoeK> now I need to fix one more thing and then the calamari dash works like it should
[20:14] <InIMoeK> did you already start on the next ceph episode TheSov
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[20:47] <TheSov> not yet
[20:47] <TheSov> its the wifes birthday weekend
[20:48] <TheSov> but im doing my research on it, makeing snaps, cloning snaps to new rbd's etc
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[21:10] <selim> greetings
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[21:13] <InIMoeK> congratz TheSov
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[21:17] <TheSov> thanks InIMoeK
[21:17] <TheSov> selim, greetings!
[21:17] <selim> would you say that ceph can replace commercial SAN systems?
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[21:58] <TheSov> selim, with some work yes
[21:59] <TheSov> depends on your needs
[21:59] <TheSov> ceph is made to be gigantic most commercial sans are small and mid sized
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[22:00] <TheSov> ceph also presents block devices with a client, so if you intent to connect linux machines directly to ceph there is an issue with access controls.
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[22:01] <TheSov> if you intent to connect ceph via iscsi, its easier but at the moment there is no ACTIVE/ACTIVE HA iscsi solution at hand, that is being worked on and will be available in the next release of LIO i believe
[22:02] <TheSov> so currently the only way to get an get an ACTIVE/ACTIVE setup with is exporting ceph volumes via FC
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[22:23] * evilrob is using a commercial SAN system to backend ceph OSDs.
[22:23] <evilrob> and I don't like it
[22:23] <The1_> that sounds soooo wrong
[22:24] <evilrob> well, there's nothing wrong with it. It's just not the preferred solution. But I'm using hardware that was handed to me.
[22:24] <evilrob> it's for an openstack frontend.
[22:24] <evilrob> it's more flexible this way
[22:24] <The1_> unless you've got multiple sans and make sur eto have CRUSH know about it
[22:24] <The1_> then you're just asking for dataloss at some point
[22:25] <The1_> make sure to even
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[22:25] <evilrob> I'm exporting (from the SAN) single devices (no redundancy) and mounting them on the ceph boxen as OSDs.
[22:25] <evilrob> using them in asclose as JBOD as I can get
[22:26] <The1_> yeah, but a SAN failure will result in you loosing multilple OSDs at the same time
[22:26] <evilrob> 5 SAN chassis, 5 ceph servers.
[22:27] <evilrob> default is to have a each copy on a different server right?
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[22:27] <evilrob> so if I lose one of my SAN chassis, it's the same as losing one of my ceph servers.
[22:27] <The1_> also 5 san controllers, 5 fabric switches etc etc?
[22:28] <evilrob> each chassis has multiple paths to each server.
[22:28] <evilrob> and I'm using the mpath device on the linux box as the OSD filesystem
[22:28] * The1_ shudders
[22:29] <evilrob> I see this reaction not infrequently. But it's not my first rodeo
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[22:31] <evilrob> and the best part is I don't have any developers wanting to use the hardare
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[22:35] <evilrob> still don't see why you shudder. the OSD filesystem has multiple paths (2 controllers, through 2 fabrics, into 2 controllers... 4 paths) if I lose the whole SAN, it's like losing the whole ceph server. fine. copies elsewhere. If I lose both controllers on the SAN or the ceph server, again, it's like losing the server. If I lose both fabrics, my lab probably got hit by a truck and I have bigger problems.
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[23:07] <InIMoeK> TheSov does the targetcli thing supports vmware VAAI?
[23:07] <InIMoeK> havent googled yet..
[23:07] <TheSov> VAAI?
[23:08] <TheSov> no
[23:08] <InIMoeK> Vmware array bla bla intergration
[23:08] <TheSov> but it does have reservations
[23:08] <InIMoeK> to ofload certain commands
[23:08] <TheSov> yeah thats a negative
[23:09] <TheSov> oops i was wrong
[23:09] <TheSov> it has partial support
[23:09] <TheSov> http://linux-iscsi.org/wiki/VStorage_APIs_for_Array_Integration
[23:10] <InIMoeK> cool will read now
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[23:38] <TheSov> alright! going to dinner with the wife and then a comedy show see ya all tomorrow
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