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IRC Log for 2016-01-07

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[0:00] <snakamoto> we couldn't justify the trade-off of some reduced latency for the extra cost of more controllers or more nodes for the same capacity
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[0:27] <cathode> snakamoto - ok
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[1:27] <lurbs> lookcrabs: Nope, sorry. Just a (poorly annotated) spreadsheet.
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[1:46] <cathode> snakamoto - in this case the chassis i want is actually cheaper by about $400 for the direct-attached version, the controllers are $300/ea so we'd only save about $200 total. and we *might* fill this chassis with SSDs in the future so direct attached is preferred
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[3:47] <iggy> hmm... snakamoto sound suspicious
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[4:30] <xiangxinyong_> hi guys, I set public network = {public-network/netmask} and cluster network = {cluster-network/netmask}.
[4:30] <xiangxinyong_> I want the cephfs client can visit cephfs by public network.
[4:31] <xiangxinyong_> How can i set the mon ip address?
[4:31] <xiangxinyong_> Is public network ip address or cluster network ip address?
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[4:53] <jith> Be-El: thanks :)
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[4:55] <jith> Be-El: sorry i was away.. thats why late reply... thanks for the fruitful explanation
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[7:54] <jith> hi all, In my ceph cluster, ceph osd lspools result is 0 rbd ... but in document it is stated as result should be 0 rbd, 1 metadata, 2 data
[7:54] <jith> is it wrong??
[7:55] <jith> i mean, my cluster not the one as expected?
[7:55] <motk> do you have an mds set up?
[7:55] <motk> where does it state that
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[7:57] <motk> a quick google brings
[7:57] <motk> Suse
[7:57] <motk> oops
[7:57] <motk> https://www.suse.com/documentation/ses-1/book_storage_admin/data/ceph_pools.html
[7:57] <motk> which looks like example boilerplatge
[7:58] <motk> what does rados df tell you
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[8:00] <jith> motk: thanks...
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[8:01] <jith> motk: pool name KB objects clones degraded unfound rd rd KB wr wr KB
[8:01] <jith> rbd 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
[8:01] <jith> total used 103060 3
[8:01] <jith> total avail 12449024
[8:01] <jith> total space 12552084
[8:01] <motk> there you go
[8:03] <jith> motk: thanks for the reply... i asked, by default metadata and data pool is created... but in my case it is not...
[8:03] <Be-El> jith: that was the default in firefly and former releases...starting with hammer these pools are not create automatically anymore
[8:04] <Be-El> jith: there's nothing special about these pools, you can create them if you need them
[8:04] <jith> Be-El: thanks for the yesterdays explanation....sorry i was away at that time... thanks for the fruitful explanation
[8:05] <jith> Be-El: oh i see... :)...
[8:05] <jith> Be-El: fine then
[8:05] <motk> fair enough
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[8:07] <jith> Another doubt, why do we dont assign file system to journal disk but we do for data disk... sorry if it is invalid question.. i m new to these stuffs
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[8:18] <jith> motk: yes
[8:18] <Be-El> jith: the journal has a binary format and is not file based
[8:19] <jith> Be-El: ok thanks..
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[8:23] <jith> Be-El:whether journal can be of varying sizes???? example osd1 is 100 GB, its journal is 5GB and OSD 2 is 100GB and its corresponding journal is 2 GB... is it ok????
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[8:28] <xiangxinyong_> Hi, Does someone compile ceph-dokan?
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[8:29] <xiangxinyong_> https://github.com/ceph/ceph-dokan/tree/wip-pre-0.94.5
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[8:30] <xiangxinyong_> I am confused about this word. **Download and compile Boost Libs in C:\Setup\boost_1_58_0\
[8:31] <xiangxinyong_> Does it mean that we need to compile boost in linux or windows?>
[8:31] <zao> Everything there is client-side Windows.
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[8:32] <zao> As building Boost is bothersome to say how to do, they don't say how :)
[8:33] <zao> Essentially, you unpack boost_1_58_0.7z or boost_1_58_0.zip, run bootstrap.bat, and "b2.exe toolset=gcc stage" from a mingw32 shell.
[8:33] <zao> Probably.
[8:34] <zao> If you have a bunch of .a libraries in boost_1_58_0/stage/lib, you've probably succeeded.
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[8:36] <xiangxinyong_> Thanks zao
[8:37] <xiangxinyong_> I will try
[8:37] <Be-El> jith: best practices for journal sizing is currently beyond my knowlegde. I'm currently using 20GB journals and the experience is somewhat mixed
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[8:40] <xiangxinyong_> <zao> bootstrap.bat, and "b2.exe toolset=gcc stage"
[8:40] <xiangxinyong_> Are there two commands needed to execute in the mingw32 shell?
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[8:42] <zao> xiangxinyong_: Boost has its own build system, 'b2'. 'bootstrap' compiles the build system, assuming you have your compiler in path.
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[8:46] <xiangxinyong_> ok. I try immediately
[8:49] <zao> Ah, not quite that easy.
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[8:53] <xiangxinyong_> yeah. i have already generated two exes : b2.exe and bjam.exe
[8:53] <zao> Do you have the right gcc in path?
[8:54] <zao> If so, b2 toolset=gcc stage -j4 variant=release --layout=system
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[8:55] <zao> Ah no, sorry, no --layout=system
[8:55] <zao> Misread the makefile.
[8:55] <xiangxinyong_> b2.exe toolset=gcc stage or b2 toolset=gcc stage -j4 variant=release ?
[8:55] <zao> Also no variant=release.
[8:55] <xiangxinyong_> b2.exe toolset=gcc stage or b2 toolset=gcc stage -j4 ?
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[8:55] <zao> Silly me, assuming someone would build end-user software with release libs.
[8:55] <zao> xiangxinyong_: Either.
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[8:55] <zao> -j4 just builds 4 files in parallel.
[8:55] <xiangxinyong_> ok
[8:56] <zao> xiangxinyong_: I am doubtful that this will work.
[8:56] <xiangxinyong_> i try
[8:57] <zao> Ah, I screwed up my PATH :)
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[8:58] <xiangxinyong_> i got a error: no command provided, default command 'g++' not found
[8:58] <jith> Be-El: ok thanks... :)
[8:58] <zao> set PATH=C:\MinGW\bin;%PATH%
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[9:00] <xiangxinyong_> ok
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[9:02] <zao> As the program only seems to use boost-system, you can reduce time for b2 by specifying --with-system. Probably.
[9:03] <xiangxinyong_> you are professional
[9:04] <xiangxinyong_> the compile is in progress
[9:04] <xiangxinyong_> after compile, It will create a stage folder, right?
[9:04] <zao> Yes.
[9:05] <xiangxinyong_> This folder will contains .o files?
[9:05] <zao> stage/lib/libboost_system-mgw48-mt-d-1_58.a
[9:07] <xiangxinyong_> yeah, i have alredy see this file:libboost_system-mgw48-mt-d-1_58.a
[9:08] <xiangxinyong_> <zao> Any way, what do you think about he ceph-dokan?
[9:08] <zao> xiangxinyong_: I don't know, I've never seen it before.
[9:09] <xiangxinyong_> oh
[9:09] <xiangxinyong_> Do you think how to use cephfs by windows?
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[9:12] <zao> Don't know, only run it at work where it's all Linux.
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[9:13] <xiangxinyong_> *-*
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[9:14] <xiangxinyong_> :)
[9:15] <xiangxinyong_> Thanks your suggestion.
[9:15] <zao> For what it's worth, the branch you linked doesn't build cleanly.
[9:16] <xiangxinyong_> yeah
[9:17] <xiangxinyong_> I choosed the branch 0.94.2
[9:17] <xiangxinyong_> but i am afraid this branch can be used with the Ceph 9.2
[9:18] <xiangxinyong_> but i am afraid this branch can not be used with the Ceph 9.2
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[9:18] <zao> Anyway, changes I made to get further on the WIP branch were https://gist.github.com/zao/48ce94141423e367de3d
[9:18] <zao> Stuck on actual Ceph code later on, but it'll get you further at least :)
[9:18] <zao> I'm going to leave this be and go sleep, good luck!
[9:19] <xiangxinyong_> Thanks very much. <zao>
[9:19] <zao> The hard part should hopefully have been building Boost.
[9:19] <xiangxinyong_> yeah, it is still in progress
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[9:20] <zao> You only need the system library mentioned, so you can cancel the build if you have it.
[9:20] <xiangxinyong_> Oh
[9:20] <zao> The default build builds all the Boost libraries, you specify particular ones with --with-<libraryname> like --with-system.
[9:20] <zao> I did not know at the time which Boost libraries it needed built, so I went with the safe default build.
[9:20] <xiangxinyong_> ok
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[9:21] <xiangxinyong_> It seems that i can not open the link
[9:21] <xiangxinyong_> https://gist.github.com/zao/48ce94141423e367de3d
[9:22] <zao> xiangxinyong_: https://zao.se/~zao/snippets/ceph-dokan-mingw.diff.txt
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[9:23] <xiangxinyong_> got it.
[9:23] <xiangxinyong_> very good
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[9:24] <xiangxinyong_> bye bye
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[9:43] <xiangxinyong> hi guys, I set public network = {public-network/netmask} and cluster network = {cluster-network/netmask}.
[9:43] <xiangxinyong> I want the cephfs client can visit cephfs by public network.
[9:43] <xiangxinyong> How can i set the mon ip address?
[9:43] <xiangxinyong> Is public network ip address or cluster network ip address?
[9:44] <fghaas> mons always listen on the public network
[9:45] <fghaas> see also http://docs.ceph.com/docs/master/rados/configuration/network-config-ref/
[9:46] <xiangxinyong> ok
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[9:47] <xiangxinyong> <fghaas> Thanks
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[9:48] <xiangxinyong> Can i ajust the ceph clusters's ip address?
[9:49] <xiangxinyong> because i have already setup a cephfs, but i did not set the public-network
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[10:09] <tansy> Hello!
[10:10] <tansy> I have a doubt. Is the gaurd statement in ceph similar to gaurd in swift 2?
[10:12] <tansy> Can I find a piece of code that use gaurd statements?
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[10:15] <fghaas> thomnico: would you mind prodding someone in the UCA packaging team on this one? https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1508230 ??? Ceph as ephemeral storage for Nova has been broken in your Liberty packages for over a month now, fix is upstream in Mitaka and has been back-ported to Liberty, but it appears your packages haven't been rebuilt to pull the fix in.
[10:16] <fghaas> (this is a regression; the only option to make this work on Ubuntu right now is to downgrade to Kilo)
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[10:36] <thomnico> hello fghaas bonne ann?e
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[10:36] <fghaas> ?? toi aussi :)
[10:37] <thomnico> let me check that
[10:37] <thomnico> that Cpeh issue vs. Liberty
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[10:45] <thomnico> reported internally fghaas
[10:45] <fghaas> thomnico: thanks a million!
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[10:46] <thomnico> is that a quotation :) ?? LOL
[10:50] <xiangxinyong> When Changed the cephfs to (two kinds of network. public and cluster). I got an error.
[10:50] <xiangxinyong> :/2458651446 >> 192.168.98.138:6789/0 pipe(0x7f1720000c00 sd=4 :0 s=1 pgs=0 cs=0 l=1 c=0x7f1720013590).fault
[10:51] <xiangxinyong> Could someon help me?
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[11:33] <Gugge-47527> can discard on krbd discard smaller blocks than the object size?
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[11:45] <fghaas> Gugge-47527: I doubt it. if i remember correctly discard only works by just throwing away the whole underlying rados object
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[11:46] <Gugge-47527> fghaas: im pretty sure the osd's can punch holes in the objects
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[11:47] <fghaas> well it shouldn't be too hard to verify that. rbd info gives you the block prefix for your rbd image, and the suffix corresponds to the sector address on the block device
[11:47] <Gugge-47527> but im not sure it can from krbd
[11:48] <Gugge-47527> well, on my setup it only does whole objects on my krbd mapped images :)
[11:48] <Gugge-47527> but https://www.mail-archive.com/ceph-devel@vger.kernel.org/msg19408.html
[11:48] <fghaas> so mount an xfs-formatted rbd, run fstrim --verbose, and then look them up
[11:49] <Gugge-47527> i did, it only removes full objects :)
[11:50] <Gugge-47527> and searching i only found results about hole punching on librbd
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[11:50] <Gugge-47527> hence why i askes about krbd :)
[11:50] <Gugge-47527> asked
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[11:55] <BlackDex> Hello there, when i run `ceph-deploy install ceph-admin ceph-mon1 ceph-node1 ceph-node2` it starts etc... but it exits with an error that retreiving a rpm failed. If i check that link, I see that it points to rpm-infernalis, while i have put hammer into the ceph.repo file on the ceph-admin node.
[11:55] <BlackDex> Where should i look?
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[11:57] <Gugge-47527> what if you give it --release hammer
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[11:59] <BlackDex> Gugge-47527: ill try that :)
[11:59] <BlackDex> But still strange :p
[12:00] <Gugge-47527> ive never used ceph-deploy to install the packages
[12:02] <BlackDex> hmm, that kinda works
[12:02] <BlackDex> now i get [ceph_deploy][ERROR ] RuntimeError: NoSectionError: No section: 'ceph'
[12:03] <BlackDex> Ah, i see a bug-report about this :p
[12:03] <BlackDex> I'm running the quick-start :)
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[12:06] <BlackDex> http://tracker.ceph.com/issues/12694
[12:06] <BlackDex> Thx Gugge-47527 for pointing me in the right direction
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[12:16] <fghaas> Gugge-47527: what's the order you defined on your rbd image, and how does it compare to what you're getting from calling blockdev --getbsz on your mapped rbd?
[12:16] <T1w> BlackDex: what os falvor?
[12:17] <T1w> flavour even
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[12:17] <BlackDex> T1w: CentOS 6.7
[12:18] <T1w> BlackDex: I remember something about the need to specify --release for enterprise linux and derivatives, but I can't remember where and I can remember why it can't locate the right packages without
[12:18] <T1w> .. and I cannot remember if there is an existing bug for it
[12:19] <T1w> but I saw the same thing a while ago
[12:19] <T1w> on RHEL7
[12:20] <BlackDex> Ah oke :) nice to know it's not my implementation :)
[12:21] <BlackDex> Thx for the info
[12:21] <T1w> np
[12:21] <T1w> I was just as puzzled about it myself.. :)
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[12:27] <xiangxinyong> Hi, How to modify the monmap
[12:27] <xiangxinyong> ^-^
[12:29] <fghaas> http://docs.ceph.com/docs/master/rados/operations/add-or-rm-mons/
[12:31] <xiangxinyong> thanks
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[12:52] <mirko_> greetings fellow ceph users
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[15:02] <boichev> ceph osd reweight-by-utilization in the documentation says that "By default it will adjust the weights downward on OSDs which have 120% of the average utilization" is this utilization as in "drive capacity and free space" or in "data write/read" ?
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[15:06] <fghaas> boichev: the former.
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[15:08] <boichev> fqhaas, I am not sure I know how a drive/osd can be filled on 120% ....
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[15:11] <IcePic_> well, if the osd is running as non-root and you newfs:d with a huge % of reserved space it would be possible. ;)
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[15:13] <fghaas> 120% of *the average utilization*
[15:14] <fghaas> meaning if your OSDs are utilized 50% on average, then anything being 50*1.2 = 60% full would be reweighted down.
[15:15] <boichev> average for this node or for the cluster?
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[15:16] <fghaas> no idea, tbh
[15:16] <fghaas> whole cluster would make more sense, but not sure
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[15:20] <Be-El> 'ceph osd df' lists the utilization of osds in relation to the complete cluster (last column)
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[15:23] <boichev> hmmm "ceph osd df" is nice but I have firefly and I think this was introduced in hammer....
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[15:24] <boichev> I have to upgrade first
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[15:24] <boichev> but I try make the cluster in healthy state before the pgrade
[15:24] <swami1> hi
[15:25] <swami1> If we set the ceph osd noout - are the write operations allowed?
[15:25] <DeMiNe0> I have a ceph cluster with 4 OSD host nodes, each with 3-4 OSDs. I attempted to remove an entire host() and it's 3 OSD's(osd3,osd4,osd5). I put notes up regarding what I did here: http://pastebin.com/ccxm4huV. And the full log here: http://pastebin.com/y7RVZiyp. The cluster is sitting in a active+undersized+degraded and active+remapped state, and I can't seem to get it out of it.
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[15:26] <DeMiNe0> I'm going to be putting the OSD's and host I removed back into the cluster(With larger OSD's) and was hoping adding those in would rebalance it.
[15:27] <Be-El> DeMiNe0: ceph osd out does not remove the osd
[15:28] <kaisan> question: when expanding a ceph cluster, I'm seeing immediate misplaced objects. I'm also seeing an increasing number of degraded objects, is that to be expected?
[15:29] <Be-El> kaisan: those are objects written to while the corresponding PG is being remapped or queued for remapping
[15:29] <kaisan> Be-El: cheers.
[15:30] <TheSov> mornin!
[15:30] <TheSov> jin dobre!
[15:30] <Be-El> DeMiNe0: you can try to trigger remapping by changing the osd weights temporarely
[15:30] <TheSov> buna de miniatza!
[15:30] <T1w> no no no.. it's time for afternoon tea
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[15:30] <T1w> not breakfirst.. :p
[15:31] <TheSov> lol well here in 'merica, its 8:30 am
[15:31] <Be-El> DeMiNe0: or have a closer look at the affected pgs (ceph pg query...)
[15:31] <Be-El> T1w: indeed
[15:31] <swami1> T1w: Be-El: Hi
[15:32] <swami1> T1w: Be-El: If we set the ceph osd noout - are the write operations allowed?
[15:32] <Be-El> swami1: noout only tells ceph to ignore missing osd. if a write request needs to be sent to one of those osds it will block
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[15:33] <T1w> but it would be pretty sweet if it could be written to another OSD until the other OSD comes back and be backfilled
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[15:33] <T1w> probably not easy to manage in the long run
[15:34] <Be-El> T1w: sure, but that would require managing partly present PGs
[15:34] <T1w> indeed
[15:34] <T1w> and probably also something like a per-PG CRUSH map
[15:34] <Be-El> or even per object
[15:34] <T1w> in order to track what data that should have been written is actually located
[15:34] <T1w> yeah
[15:34] <jcsp> surely if you want writes to go to another OSD until the original OSD is back, marking it "out" is exactly what you want?
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[15:35] <T1w> marking it out means that data rebalances
[15:36] <T1w> .. and as far as I remember swami1 would like to postpose that until he can update the CRUSH map since he is moving some nodes around
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[15:37] <swami1> Be-El: I have set nout and tried the write operation on the cluster, its doing the i/o....so I confused that - is this I/O is for rebalanceing or is it custmer/user i/o?
[15:38] <swami1> T1w: good idea..( T1w: but it would be pretty sweet if it could be written to another OSD until the other OSD comes back and be backfilled) and love to see this in ceph
[15:39] <swami1> T1w: Yes...not done the node movment
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[15:41] <swami1> what are all to do for seting the cluster to "maintenance mode"...1. noout, 2, 3??
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[15:50] <dscastro> hello
[15:50] <dscastro> i'm running journal on ephemeral disks, i'd like to know how recreate only the journal without purge the whole osd
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[15:56] <fghaas> ceph-osd --mkjournal
[15:57] <aarontc> dscastro: in my experience, I've been able to stop the osd, flush the journal "ceph-osd -i N --flush-journal"; then make a new journal after modifying the symlink with "ceph-osd -i N --mkjournal"
[15:57] <fghaas> but you should never be running journals on anything volatile
[15:57] <brad[]> hi all, if I bring OSD's from three separate hosts together on a single new host - will Ceph automatically move placement groups according to the chooseleaf type, or will I need to manually determine which PG's are now grouped on the single host and move them around?
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[15:58] <dscastro> fghaas: i know, but azure's cloud doesn't has SSD disks and the standard offer is really bad even with raid-0
[15:58] <dscastro> so, putting journal those disks really speed things up
[15:59] <aarontc> brad[]: as long as you update the crush map once you move the OSD, ceph should figure everything out
[15:59] <fghaas> does that mean you're putting journals on a ramdisk, and you intend to keep doing that?
[16:00] <DeMiNe0> Thanks Be-El; If I've allready removed the osd's from the crush map. Is there anything else I can do to fix this issue, as I don't think I can adjust weight for osd's that aren't in the map anymore. Had I not removed them, would I have just made them a lower weight than all the others?
[16:00] <brad[]> aarontc: Terrific - is there a way to be sure?
[16:00] <dscastro> fghaas: not sure.. i have 10 osd nodes, the odds to lost the whole cluster exists, but
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[16:01] <aarontc> brad[]: you'd have to post your crush map and describe your failure domains for us to validate your setup...
[16:01] <DeMiNe0> This is all purely for educational purpose too ATM. Just want to get confident with ceph before I deploy it into production.
[16:01] <Be-El> DeMiNe0: i was refering to the other osds
[16:01] <DeMiNe0> Ahhh
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[16:01] <dscastro> fghaas: how bad is it?
[16:02] <fghaas> dscastro: don't do that. Ever.
[16:02] <TheSov> im totally jeally of those with 100's of osds in a cluster
[16:02] <aarontc> dscastro: if you lose a journal, you've lost the OSD
[16:03] <dscastro> ohhh, i though i could recreate a journal without resync the OSD
[16:03] <aarontc> dscastro: No, Ceph journals the same way a journalling filesystem would
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[16:04] <Be-El> dscastro: you can change the journal if you shutdown the osd correctly, flush the existing journal and recreate a new one afterwards
[16:04] <Be-El> dscastro: but journals on ram disk are an open invitation to trouble of all sort
[16:04] <dscastro> Got it
[16:05] <dscastro> i'm convinced to change it, my next question: can i modify the journal config on a running cluster?
[16:05] <dscastro> i've deployed with ceph-deploy
[16:05] <rkeene> dscastro, Yes
[16:06] <aarontc> dscastro: all you have to do is shutdown the OSD, flush the journal, modify the journal symlink, then make a new journal, as I mentioned earlier
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[16:06] <dscastro> aarontc: shutdown is stop the service right?
[16:07] <aarontc> dscastro: yes
[16:07] <dscastro> aarontc: ok.. let me try it
[16:07] <aarontc> dscastro: assuming your CRUSH map is configured appropriately, you can stop an OSD without blocking client ops
[16:07] <dscastro> aarontc: how do i know that :)?
[16:08] <rkeene> I typically don't use a symlink for the journal but update the osd config to point to the journal
[16:08] <aarontc> dscastro: pastebin your CRUSH map and we can look at it
[16:09] <SamYaple> rkeene: is that more reliable for you?
[16:09] <SamYaple> seems like it could be dangerous, but no more so than a symlink i suppose
[16:09] <rkeene> SamYaple, It's more explicit
[16:09] <rkeene> Certainly less dangerous and more easily verified
[16:10] <aarontc> rkeene: curious why you consider it less dangerous?
[16:11] <DeMiNe0> When troubleshooting degraded pg's, what does one look for when they look at the pg query for a stuck degraded pg?
[16:12] <rkeene> aarontc, Because it can never go wrong. A symlink persists on disk and may point to the wrong device if, for example, Ceph is started before the symlink is updated (since the devices may be in a different order) -- but the Ceph config must be written (by an automated system) before Ceph can be started
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[16:12] <dscastro> aarontc: http://www.fpaste.org/308221/21795641/
[16:13] <aarontc> rkeene: that's true, but the default mechanism for journal symlinks is a device (partition) UUID or an LVM LV name... unlikely to point to the wrong device
[16:13] <rkeene> What does Ceph do if the symlink points to a non-existant device ?
[16:14] <aarontc> rkeene: the ceph-osd process will complain to its log and refuse to start
[16:15] <aarontc> dscastro: looks like you are using host-level replication resilience - what is the min_size of your pool(s)? as long as it's 3 or lower you are safe to shut down one OSD at a time
[16:15] <dscastro> aarontc: 2
[16:16] <aarontc> dscastro: be aware that 2 is too small to protect your data integrity...
[16:16] <dscastro> aarontc: just to be clear, 2 is the number os copies right?
[16:16] <brad[]> aarontc: sure, http://paste.fedoraproject.org/308224/79776145 my crushmap for reference
[16:16] <aarontc> dscastro: yes. So if anything happens to one of the copies, there is no way to know if the surviving copy is "correct"
[16:17] <brad[]> My chooseleaf type is host
[16:17] <dscastro> aarontc: can i change it?
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[16:17] <aarontc> dscastro: yes, you can, but you will use more disk space and incur a lot of data movement
[16:18] <dscastro> aarontc: my cluster is new, there's only a couple images. i can handle that
[16:18] <aarontc> brad[]: I'm guessing you want to bring the 4 OSD hosts down to 3 each?
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[16:19] <brad[]> aarontc: correct - will be adding SSD's to the fourth slot of each machine (separate task not related to this question)
[16:19] <aarontc> brad[]: Your setup looks pretty typical, so I think you'll be safe doing that. I would move a single OSD at a time, if it were me
[16:19] <dscastro> aarontc: let me change it
[16:19] <brad[]> aarontc: nod.
[16:20] <brad[]> aarontc: is there a way to see the placement of a PG as far as OSD's / hosts go?
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[16:21] <aarontc> brad[]: 'ceph osd pg map n.m'
[16:21] <brad[]> ah ha
[16:22] <aarontc> oops, typo
[16:22] <aarontc> just 'ceph pg map n.m'
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[16:22] <dscastro> aarontc: pools are objects inside the cluster, so i change them via ceph CLI right?
[16:23] <aarontc> dscastro: pools hold objects, but yes - you'd change the min_size and size parameters with the ceph CLI
[16:24] <brad[]> aarontc: thanks for the info!
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[16:24] <aarontc> brad[]: np
[16:25] <dscastro> aarontc: done
[16:25] <dscastro> i'll stop the first osd and change the journal
[16:26] <dscastro> aarontc: what about ceph osd set noout
[16:27] <aarontc> dscastro: if you set noout, your clients will be blocked as long as the OSD is down
[16:27] <dscastro> ok...
[16:27] <aarontc> dscastro: if you don't mind blocking the clients, then that would be the most expedient approach
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[16:34] <aarontc> does anyone have suggestions for troubleshooting OSD "hit suicide timeout" assertions?
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[16:37] <dscastro> aarontc: thanks a lot
[16:38] <aarontc> dscastro: no problem
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[16:39] <dscastro> aarontc: do you believe cache profiles will help in my case (where i don't have a option to use fast disks)
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[16:41] <aarontc> dscastro: my cluster is pretty small (14 hosts, 40 OSDs), but I've found that the cluster is essentially as "fast" as the slowest piece... even with SSDs in a cache tier, eventually the slow spinning rust brings everything down to that speed
[16:42] <aarontc> dscastro: if you're limited by the cloud platform, probably your best bet to increase IOPS is to add more hosts and more OSDs
[16:43] <dscastro> aarontc: got it, i'll run a couple more tests to see how it looks like
[16:44] <TheSov> aakso, also adjust your order size for rbd's
[16:44] <TheSov> err
[16:44] <TheSov> aarontc,
[16:44] <aarontc> TheSov: ?
[16:44] <TheSov> order size is important to iops
[16:45] <dscastro> aarontc: one more question, since my disks are slow, i grouped then into raid 0 arrays, so each node has a four disks raid-0 array and only one OSD
[16:45] <aarontc> dscastro: you'd likely see better IOPS if you had four individual OSDs per host
[16:45] <dscastro> aarontc: really ?
[16:45] <aarontc> TheSov: "order size" being the max size of the RBD image?
[16:46] <aarontc> dscastro: yes, because you have more concurrency in terms of OSD procs and disk queues, etc.
[16:46] <TheSov> no the object size of the underlying rbd
[16:46] <fghaas> order = block size, 2^order == size of object in bytes
[16:46] <aarontc> TheSov: ah, yes. My workload is entirely CephFS
[16:46] <TheSov> arrontc if you use rbd's when you create them you can add a switch --order 12 being 4k, so it creates 4k objects to work on
[16:46] <TheSov> 4k is obviously small
[16:47] <aarontc> TheSov: I'm using the default object size of 4MiB
[16:47] <TheSov> but thats the default block size of most os's
[16:47] <TheSov> right
[16:47] <dscastro> aarontc: i assume i can change the disk layout on a running cluster right?
[16:47] <aarontc> TheSov: I've considered increasing it for better throughput, but I have latency issues already so I haven't messed with it
[16:47] <TheSov> im saying you use rbd's depending on your workload, you adjust the order to get better iops
[16:47] <TheSov> like say a mysql db
[16:47] <TheSov> 16k
[16:48] <aarontc> dscastro: yes, you can "ceph osd rm N" to remove the OSD from one host, break the RAID, then create the four individual OSDs. don't forget to update the CRUSH map as you go
[16:49] <aarontc> TheSov: I'm also running into performance issues with too many objects for my OSDs.. xfs gets pretty slow with 400 million files
[16:49] <TheSov> well, there are obviously going to be some extreme limits
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[16:50] <aarontc> dscastro: http://docs.ceph.com/docs/master/rados/operations/add-or-rm-osds/
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[16:52] <dscastro> aarontc: tks
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[20:41] <bevolumee> https://soundcloud.com/bevolume/bevolume-positive-dreams Enjoy my music !!!
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[22:56] <kevinh24> Hey, has anyone seen an issue with ceph-deploying infernalis and ceph-detect-init not working on OSD only servers due to python-setuptools not being installed by ceph-deploy? This is all on centos7
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[22:59] <flaf> Hello @all, I have a question about cephfs in Infernalis. It is possible to put all files of a specific cephfs directory (for instance /mnt/cephfs/d1) only in SSD OSDs?
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[23:04] <flaf> In fact, my question is : is it possible to assign a cephfs sub-directory to an specific pool (and so with crush, an SSD pool).
[23:06] <aarontc> flaf: I believe you can use xattrs on directories or the cephfs tool to assign a directory to a specific pool
[23:06] <aarontc> flaf: http://docs.ceph.com/docs/master/cephfs/file-layouts/
[23:06] <rkeene> You can ? I though that when you created a ceph-fs you specified a pool ?
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[23:06] <aarontc> rkeene: you can have multiple data pools in CephFS now
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[23:07] <rkeene> Ah
[23:07] <aarontc> you first have to "ceph mds add_data_pool <pool_name>"
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[23:09] <flaf> aarontc: thx for this link. In fact I know this page but I never succeeded to understand it. :)
[23:10] <aarontc> flaf: if my undersatnding is correct, you would do: "cd /mnt/cephfs; mkdir special-pool-files; setfattr -n ceph.dir.layout.pool -v ssd_pool special-pool-files"
[23:10] <aarontc> assuming your SSD pool was called "ssd_pool"
[23:11] <flaf> aarontc: ah ? Just that ? And before ???ceph mds add_data_pool $my_super_pool???. Correct ?
[23:11] <lookcrabs> has anyone experienced any hotspots in ceph due to milions of files being very similarly named at all? I think I am going crazy
[23:12] <aarontc> flaf: yes, that seems right
[23:12] <flaf> aarontc: ok. I will test and tell you the result.
[23:12] <aarontc> flaf: cool, good luck!
[23:13] <flaf> aarontc: thx, may the force be with me... :)
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[23:26] <flaf> ah aarontc gone... :(
[23:27] <flaf> I trying ???setfattr -n ceph.dir.layout.pool -v my_pool dir??? but I have ???setfattr: dir/: Operation not supported???
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[23:27] <fghaas> flaf: which kernel?
[23:28] <flaf> I use ceph-fuse
[23:28] <flaf> Ubuntu Trusty kernel 3.13
[23:28] <fghaas> I don't think this interface is supported through ceph-fuse at all
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[23:28] <fghaas> but I'm not certain. for cephfs (kernel) I seem to recall something like 3.18 or 3.19 was required
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[23:29] <flaf> Ah and the kernel must be recent. Ok.
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[23:29] <flaf> Thx fghaas.
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[23:48] <lookcrabs> Over time has anyone seen uneven data distribution in their cluster? what do people do to rebalance the data?
[23:48] <lookcrabs> I am currently dividing the current crush weight by the variance reported by ceph osd df but was wondering if anyone else has seen similar issues and has had any tips.
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[23:49] <lurbs> That's pretty much what we do.
[23:49] <lookcrabs> lurbs: can you elaborate?
[23:50] <lookcrabs> Also have you seen any instance where millions of very similarly named objects cause a more uneven data distribution?
[23:50] <lookcrabs> lurbs (forgot to include your tag in case you are in multiple channels)
[23:50] <lurbs> Pretty much literally that. Run 'ceph osd df', exclude zero weighted OSDs, and output 'ceph osd crush reweight osd.$OSD $NEWWEIGHT # $OLDWEIGHT' lines to be eyeballed and run.
[23:50] <lookcrabs> or if this message gets old
[23:51] <lurbs> http://pastebin.com/raw/fU9JaSqZ
[23:51] <lookcrabs> ah thanks!! I used to do a different method that would do a massive shift (take the total average usage and divide each individual osd usage by total average then mutliply by current weight) but i think i over shot it
[23:52] <lurbs> All of our OSDs are the same size, and there are the same number per host.
[23:52] <lookcrabs> oh wow almost the exact same code to do it too
[23:53] <lurbs> Apologies for the ghetto python, I'm an admin not a dev. :)
[23:53] <lookcrabs> i am very much a lowly lowly admin and not a dev
[23:54] <lookcrabs> s/lowly lowly/ newbie/g
[23:55] <lookcrabs> i am going to query RHCE about this as well but have you seen any instance where millions of similarly named objects cause hotspots and you need to reweight?
[23:55] <lurbs> Our use case is largely RBD, and no.
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[23:56] <lurbs> It doesn't seem to drift too much over time.
[23:56] <lookcrabs> I guess I am wrong but observationally it looked to be true
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