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[2:59] <MentalRay> Any run OpenStack and Ceph? We have a Ceph Cluster with 60 SSD OSD and 24 SSD Journal and when we shutdown an OSD (Single SSD) we cannot seem to be able to create new Instance on openstack for a few minutes
[2:59] <MentalRay> I have 2 questions:
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[3:00] <MentalRay> 1. Is it normal that it takes more than 20+ minutes to recover from a single OSD failure
[3:00] <Nats_> depends what you mean by recover
[3:00] <MentalRay> 2. Is it normal that we cannot recreate Instance on OpenStack while its recovering or in degraded (But after a few minutes in degraded we then can will still in recovery)
[3:01] <Nats_> if you mean its degraded for 20+ minutes, definitely normal
[3:01] <Nats_> but 2. is not normal, no
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[3:02] <MentalRay> its really weird
[3:02] <MentalRay> we thought maybe the backfill settings causes this but we put it at 1
[3:02] <MentalRay> and still the same
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[3:03] <Nats_> as long as all placement groups are some form of 'active', it should continue to function normally
[3:03] <MentalRay> we had a test pool that had a replica set of 1
[3:03] <MentalRay> we put it to 2 live in case
[3:04] <MentalRay> everything else is at replica 2 or 3
[3:04] <Nats_> is the min_size 1 on your pools with two replica ?
[3:07] <tenshi> for the tests volume
[3:07] <tenshi> its still set to 1
[3:07] <tenshi> for the other were replicated size = 2
[3:07] <tenshi> most have min_size of 2
[3:08] <Nats_> if you have size = 2 and min_size = 2, then that pool will be frozen when you lose an osd, until recovery finishes
[3:09] <tenshi> could you explain me why
[3:09] <tenshi> and thank you for this one ;)
[3:09] <tenshi> btw ;)
[3:09] <Nats_> well min_size means "required number of replicas"
[3:09] <Nats_> when you try to write, if the required number of replicas cannot be satisfied, the write is blocked
[3:09] <Nats_> while size is "desired number of replicas"
[3:10] <Nats_> so typically one would run with size=3+min_size=2 , or size=1+min_size=1
[3:10] <Nats_> err typo
[3:10] <Nats_> so typically one would run with size=3+min_size=2 , or size=2+min_size=1
[3:10] <tenshi> understood now
[3:11] <Nats_> essentially saying 'i want this many replicas, and will tolerate the temporary loss of 1 replica'
[3:12] <MentalRay> we have a pool
[3:12] <MentalRay> with 2 size and min size of 2
[3:12] <MentalRay> can we change this on the fly while being in degraded stated?
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[3:12] <Nats_> i believe so
[3:12] <MentalRay> I know we can change it but just wanted to make sure it cannot corrupt things
[3:13] <Nats_> i have a test cluster, i'll run it for u and see
[3:13] <MentalRay> we can
[3:13] <MentalRay> its not production pool anyway
[3:14] <Nats_> ah ok. i cannot imagine how it would corrupt things; worst i can see happening is that it just refuses to change it
[3:15] <MentalRay> ok cool
[3:15] <MentalRay> you use ceph with OpenStack
[3:15] <MentalRay> ?
[3:15] <Nats_> but tbh my expected outcome would be it works straight up
[3:16] <Nats_> not with openstack but we do run ceph+kvm
[3:16] <MentalRay> work as expected in your infrastructure?
[3:17] <Nats_> so i my test i've set size=3 min_size=3
[3:18] <Nats_> i've got 256 pg's they are now all
[3:18] <Nats_> 256 undersized+degraded+peered
[3:18] <Nats_> ie, not active and so not accessible
[3:18] <Nats_> i now changed min_size to 2
[3:18] <Nats_> and within about 10 seconds i get
[3:18] <Nats_> 256 active+undersized+degraded
[3:18] <Nats_> meaning cluster is live again
[3:19] <Nats_> so works as expected
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[3:28] <tenshi> thank you we made the same tests
[3:28] <tenshi> on our side
[3:35] <MentalRay> seem to be that man :)
[3:40] <MentalRay> thank thanks
[3:40] <MentalRay> quick question regarding your recovery settings
[3:40] <MentalRay> on backill and others
[3:40] <MentalRay> any recommendation?
[3:42] <MentalRay> few people are sharing their thought like this guy https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1374969
[3:42] <MentalRay> but its hard to know what is recommended or not in prod
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[3:51] <Nats_> for recovery i run 'recovery really slowly' settings
[3:51] <Nats_> osd_max_backfills = 1
[3:51] <Nats_> osd_recovery_delay_start = 10
[3:51] <Nats_> osd_recovery_max_active = 1
[3:51] <Nats_> osd_recovery_max_chunk = 1048576
[3:52] <MentalRay> your setup is HDD with SSD Journal+Caching?
[3:52] <Nats_> i've got 100% ssd but they aren't super high end, and dont enjoy high throughput that recovery can shove onto them
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[3:54] <Nats_> the max chunk thing in particular helps keep the write throughput hitting an individual disk down to more managable levels
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[4:02] <MentalRay_> I think I missed a part of your response
[4:07] <Nats_> http://pastebin.com/CWMSW5JU
[4:08] <MentalRay_> when it recover or do the backfilling
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[4:09] <MentalRay_> it goes from osd to osd without writing on the journals right?
[4:09] <Nats_> afaik it still writes to journal
[4:09] <MentalRay_> ok ok
[4:09] <tenshi> what is the need for that ?
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[9:02] <cooldharma06> hi all
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[9:02] <cooldharma06> i am facing the following error : KeyNotFound Error: Could not find keyring file: /etc/ceph/ceph.client.admin.keyring on host name
[9:03] <cooldharma06> i uninstalled and then i also i tried its not creating the keyring file. any suggestions?
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[9:15] <serg> hi
[9:16] <serg> with what way you're trying to create keyring file?
[9:16] <cooldharma06> hi serg
[9:16] <cooldharma06> i am following this guide to set my sample setup http://ceph.com/docs/master/start/quick-ceph-deploy/
[9:18] <cooldharma06> initially its worked fine for single node - 2osd's. i thought of adding more nodes & osd's i uninstalled and removed all the things then i tried same thing. i am getting above error
[9:20] <serg> did you use command "ceph-deploy gatherkeys mon1 mon2 mon3" ?
[9:20] <serg> it helped me earlier after ceph-deploy mon create-initial
[9:22] <cooldharma06> i tried those things also but /etc/ceph/ceph.client.admin.keyring file is missing
[9:23] <cooldharma06> have you aware when that file(ceph.client.admin.keyring) will get created in ceph?
[9:23] <serg> what files are in /etc/ceph ?
[9:24] <serg> it should be created with ceph-deploy gatherkeys as i remember
[9:25] <cooldharma06> but in new manual i not seeing ceph gatherkeys command
[9:25] <cooldharma06> serg i am going for lunch can i ping after the lunch?
[9:25] <serg> ok
[9:25] <cooldharma06> :)
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[10:58] <cooldharma06> serg ..
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[12:19] <bart> hi, I got a ceph cluster with a pool that has one pg stuck in creating state (0.94.2) and I'm out of things to try
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[12:24] <MrBy> hi, ceph radosgw as a single instance is CP consistency whereas the async replication is considered AP consistency?
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[15:24] <serg> need some advice. i have cluster on ceph. pool_size=3. ceph shows true 300mb information, but mounted folder in any device shows 600+ GB info. when i enter to foldes and make ls -l - it shows me 300mb... what problem could be?
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[15:25] <serg> maybe there is some cache,which i cannot see? again - ceph show true 300mb info...
[15:26] <serg> GLOBAL:
[15:26] <serg> SIZE AVAIL RAW USED %RAW USED
[15:26] <serg> 10432G 9779G 122G 1.18
[15:26] <serg> POOLS:
[15:26] <serg> NAME ID USED %USED MAX AVAIL OBJECTS
[15:26] <serg> data 3 357M 0 3259G 6245
[15:26] <serg> metadata 4 121M 0 3259G 60
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[15:27] <serg> Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[15:27] <serg> ***:6789,***:6789,***:6789:/ 11T 653G 9,6T 7% /var/test
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[15:37] <Macmonac> [serg]: ls -l ? ceph osd dump | grep pool ?
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[15:38] <serg> PC-20 test # ls -l
[15:38] <serg> total 0
[15:38] <serg> drwxrwxrwx 1 www-data root 375102171 ??????. 17 09:26 files
[15:39] <serg> pool 3 'data' replicated size 3 min_size 2 crush_ruleset 0 object_hash rjenkins pg_num 1024 pgp_num 1024 last_change 33 flags hashpspool stripe_width 0
[15:39] <serg> pool 4 'metadata' replicated size 3 min_size 2 crush_ruleset 0 object_hash rjenkins pg_num 1024 pgp_num 1024 last_change 35 flags hashpspool stripe_width 0
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[15:40] <Macmonac> Have you try some rados bench ?
[15:40] <serg> not yet, dont have info about
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[15:40] <serg> maybe can be helpful something like that? "rados -p foo-hot cache-flush-evict-all"
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[15:44] <Macmonac> you don't have other pool ?
[15:44] <serg> there is 2 pools
[15:44] <serg> as i know no need in other
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[15:46] <serg> is there any way to find the problem?
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[15:53] <Macmonac> No idea for me sorry
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[15:53] <serg> ok... maybe somebody else know some info?
[15:56] <serg> 338 online and no one knows?
[15:56] <m0zes> serg: if you unmount cephfs and remount it, is it right?
[15:57] <serg> i have remounted it at one of monitors-no change..
[15:58] <m0zes> wait, that number is probably a sum of all of the usage of all the osds.
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[15:59] <serg> it is too heavy... i have 12 osd with 10GB journal size on each and 300mbytes of info. it cannot be. and even CEPH tells there is 300 mb info. but only df lies(( ls-l show normal size of directory
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[16:00] <m0zes> ceph osd df
[16:00] <serg> root@mon00 ~ # ceph df
[16:00] <serg> GLOBAL:
[16:00] <serg> SIZE AVAIL RAW USED %RAW USED
[16:00] <serg> 10432G 9779G 122G 1.18
[16:00] <serg> POOLS:
[16:00] <serg> NAME ID USED %USED MAX AVAIL OBJECTS
[16:00] <serg> data 3 357M 0 3259G 6245
[16:00] <serg> metadata 4 121M 0 3259G 60
[16:00] <m0zes> ceph osd df
[16:00] <serg> there is no such command...
[16:00] <m0zes> what version of ceph?
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[16:01] <serg> ceph version 0.80.10 (ea6c958c38df1216bf95c927f143d8b13c4a9e70)
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[16:04] <TMM> Does anyone know why the 'hammer' RPMs from ceph.com for EL7 don't include systemd units?
[16:04] <TMM> they appear to exist: https://github.com/ceph/ceph/tree/master/systemd
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[16:04] <m0zes> the number from a cephfs 'df' is from a sum of all of the "used" on each osd. This can be larger than expected because of filesystem overhead (inodes and such).
[16:04] <TMM> I'm vaguely considering creating an RPM of my own that contains those unit files
[16:05] <m0zes> serg: 10432 - 9779 = 653.
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[16:05] <serg> hm, is it cache?
[16:06] <serg> where that info could be....
[16:09] <serg> and how to clean it...
[16:09] <m0zes> it is filesystem overhead. when you create a 10GB partition, and then put a filesystem on it, the available space could easily be 9.4GB because of the extra space eaten by filesystem attibutes, journals, inodes, etc.
[16:09] <m0zes> you can't clean it.
[16:10] <serg> i have deleted fs journal before mounting and installing ceph
[16:10] <m0zes> a brand new filesystem will not have 100% unused space.
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[16:10] <serg> could other attributes have so much space?
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[16:11] <serg> besides, when i created clusted - it wasn't so many used space....
[16:11] <serg> because of that i tink about some cache....
[16:12] <serg> think*
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[16:15] <serg> anyway thanks, i think it can be true...
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[17:08] <Macmonac> Hy, i have two pgs inactives ( 7.b and 7.136 ). I can't list objects in cephfs_meta and the id of this pool is 7. So these two pg are in this pool ? However, i can read all files in my cephfs and i don't see error in mds log file.
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[17:11] <Macmonac> My cephfs is small, the best solution is to remove its pool and recreate it ?
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[17:11] <Macmonac> My cephfs is very small, the best solution is to remove its pools and recreate them ?
[17:12] <Macmonac> * Sorry
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[18:41] <evilrob00> so I see it is suggested running monitors someplace other than the hosts where you're running OSDs. Why is that?
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[18:43] <m0zes> because slow monitors are bad, and you're going to want all the iops you can for osds only ;)
[18:44] <m0zes> slow disks can slow down the monitor on that host, causing re-elections and potentially losing quorum.
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[18:47] <m0zes> we run the monitors on a portion of our osd hosts, but have seen a couple monitors lose quorum when backfilling.
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[18:48] <evilrob00> hmmm... I've got a bunch of big-ass blades to run things on. seems a waste to run just a monitor on it.
[18:48] <m0zes> you could buy something smaller ;)
[18:48] <evilrob00> I suppose I could run monitors on my openstack controller boxes. They won't be doing a ton.
[18:48] <evilrob00> yeah... this was kind of handed to us. It's a dev-lab so I'm not too concerned.
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[18:49] <evilrob00> already thinking that the next set of ceph nodes will be a small stack 2U boxen filled with drives. we were handed a hardware architecture and told to build a lab with it.
[18:50] <evilrob00> SAN backending blades. It'll work, it's just that EVERYTHING is beefy (48 cores, 512GB of memory)
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[18:52] <m0zes> sounds like good boxen
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[18:52] <evilrob00> UCS hardware. I work for cisco.
[18:52] <m0zes> might be fine to run the monitors on the osd boxes with those specs.
[18:53] <m0zes> and, since it is a dev lab, just test it :)
[18:53] <evilrob00> I probably will. It's a dev lab. I'll see if se can get a stack of C240's for the prod lab we'll be building
[18:53] <evilrob00> exactly
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[18:55] <evilrob00> pretty sure we can get 4TB drives in the C240's they come with 24 drive slots. hold back a mirrored pair for the OS, and run 22x4TB OSDs on each.
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[18:57] <evilrob00> that might be a little overkill though :)
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[19:12] <evilrob00> nope. 1.2TB SAS is the best I can do.
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[19:21] <monsted> does cisco even make a server with 3.5" drives?
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[19:25] <evilrob00> I don't think so.
[19:25] <evilrob00> we may end up ordering a small pile of 220's and backend them with some nexsan boxen.
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[19:27] <evilrob00> our prod DC going in next week has 5 nexsan E60's full of 4TB drives. we're fronting them with blades as ceph nodes. Though our next DC I'm going to investigate some C220's instead
[19:29] <monsted> hasn't nexsan died yet?
[19:30] <evilrob00> we apparently have some kind of partnership with them.
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[19:40] <Aeso> Is there any intent to support debian jessie in the near future? Any news of progress if it is?
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[21:10] <jbernard> can anyone help me to understand why 'ceph df' would report a resonable global size, but list MAX AVAIL as 0 for all existing pools?
[21:11] <jbernard> i suspect it has something to do with osd weighting, but im just now learning about these things
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[22:25] <burley> When performing a write on a cluster with replication set to 3, does the primary OSD write to both replicas, or do they daisy chain? If the primary sends the write request to both replicas, does it do so in parallel?
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[22:36] <[arx]> the primary sends both requests, i can only assume in parallel
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