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IRC Log for 2015-08-08

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[0:03] <rkeene> So for MTBF_AGG of RAIDX+0 I got: MTBF_AGG = (MTBF_DISK * T) / (N - R + 1)
[0:03] <rkeene> Which comes out a lot more favorable for you
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[0:04] <rkeene> (it doesn't account for any possibility of failure of the tray itself)
[0:04] <monsted> you can cheat the statistics a bit by being very good at predicting failure
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[0:05] <rkeene> That'd be MTBF_AGG_AVAIL = MIN([MTBF_AGG_OF_ARRAY], [MTBF_AGG_OF_TRAYS])
[0:05] <TheSov> i have a lot of trays
[0:06] <rkeene> I don't know what the trays are typically rated for in terms of MTBF
[0:06] <TheSov> at least 7
[0:06] <TheSov> i dont know but ive seen shelf failures occur
[0:06] <TheSov> and i dont like it
[0:06] <rkeene> But every time you double a tray, you halv the MTBF_AGG_OF_TRAYS, so MTBF_AGG_OF_TRAYS = MTBF_TRAY / (2^T)
[0:06] <TheSov> here i have no protection against that
[0:07] <TheSov> we have no doubles, all the data is striped across the trays
[0:07] <rkeene> Good news, if you add enough trays you'll eventually get that to 1 :-)
[0:07] <TheSov> good news?
[0:07] <rkeene> Let's assume trays are rated for 10 million hours
[0:07] <TheSov> ok
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[0:10] <rkeene> No, the math is all wrong for that -- hang on
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[0:15] <TheSov> rk would you mind if i shared your document with my forum?
[0:15] <rkeene> Nope, go ahead
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[0:15] <rkeene> MTBF_AGG_OF_TRAYS = MTBF_TRAY / T -- so not exponential
[0:16] <rkeene> Real low too, so that's unlikely
[0:16] <TheSov> eh?
[0:17] <TheSov> i thought for every shelf i add, the lower the mtbf
[0:17] <TheSov> since the data is striped accross the shelf
[0:17] <rkeene> Yeah, lower, but not exponentially lower
[0:17] <rkeene> Just linearly
[0:17] <TheSov> well halfed right
[0:17] <rkeene> For every double it's halved, so it's linear
[0:17] <TheSov> 2 shelfs of a mtbf of 1 hour will be 30 minutes
[0:17] <TheSov> right
[0:18] <rkeene> And 4 1 hour = 15, which is MTBF_AGG_OF_TRAYS = MTBF_TRAY (1 hour) / T (1, 2, 4)
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[0:23] <TheSov> https://www.reddit.com/r/storage/comments/3g6j9n/a_documentnot_mine_that_helps_calculate_mtbftotal/
[0:23] <TheSov> posted!
[0:23] <TheSov> expect higher than normal traffic to your server :)
[0:24] <TheSov> not too much though only 3k members of storage subreddit
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[0:25] <rkeene> The important thing to note here is that I keep all my important documents in /tmp :-D
[0:25] <TheSov> lol
[0:26] <TheSov> funny enough
[0:26] <TheSov> my friend used to hide is porn in /tmp
[0:26] <TheSov> during normal operation /tmp was mounted to scratch disk
[0:26] <TheSov> no one would ever know
[0:26] <TheSov> to get the porn you just had to unmount /tmp
[0:27] <TheSov> i only ever found out because he asked me to do data recovery on his disk
[0:27] <TheSov> i was like wtf 200gigs whats in his tmp folder
[0:27] <TheSov> ...
[0:28] <TheSov> fstab told a different story
[0:29] <TheSov> it was that day i learned you can data in a folder that was mounted elsewhere
[0:29] <TheSov> never knew it before then
[0:29] <TheSov> have*
[0:29] <TheSov> anyway gotta go home for the day, later guys
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[0:30] <monsted> i wonder if OSDs would work with LTFS for its storage
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[0:53] <ska> How does one have multiple Ceph servers that can mirror each other? Especially for CephFS shares? Multiple-geo locations?
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[0:55] <ska> I'm supposing that RGW based geo-sharing is more suitable for this.
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[4:21] <snakamoto> does everyone use /dev/sdX device names for initializing/defining their OSDs and Journal partitions?
[4:22] <snakamoto> my coworker mentioned that these names can change if you reboot after a drive loss.
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[4:32] <rkeene> When I initialize a disk to use as an OSD I label the filesystem as "osd.<id>"
[4:33] <rkeene> If it's a journal, I label the partition "log.osd.<osdId>"
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[4:50] <snakamoto> rkeene: is that a filesystem label or a partition label?
[4:50] <snakamoto> I'm hoping that the ceph-disk command can take /dev/disk/by-partlabel/____ devices
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[16:11] <cjg> I've heard that Ceph has a very robust snapshot feature that would allow me to sync 2 Ceph cluster. But I've also heard that this process is entirely a manual process with no GUI option to assist. So the entire snapshotting process is done via CLI.
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[16:12] <cjg> Has anyone found or is using a tool (free or pay) that would assist with syncing two Ceph Clusters? I'm looking at if I did setup 2 Ceph clusters and wanted to sync between the two I'd like to schedule or automate this syncing process.
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[21:44] <neurodrone_> Is there a way to install just librados on osx?
[21:45] <neurodrone_> The online documentation doesn't seem too helpful in this regard.
[21:46] <neurodrone_> Or even installing it from source on linux (without installing ceph entirely) will do too
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[21:46] <rkeene> You could compile that part of it ?
[21:46] <rkeene> I don't understand the question..
[21:46] <neurodrone_> How would I do that?
[21:46] <neurodrone_> I don't see any specific targets in Makefile.
[21:47] <rkeene> Look at the makefile and determine the name of the target, "make <target>"
[21:47] <rkeene> It's likely the Makefile is split into many parts, you can have "make" tell you about it
[21:47] <neurodrone_> Ah, I see. Any idea how can I make it do that?
[21:48] <neurodrone_> http://p.defau.lt/?O_k3XxErA9nol55BiFiTTQ is basically all that I see.
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[21:48] <rkeene> make -n -p
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[21:48] <neurodrone_> Thank you! I will use that. :)
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