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IRC Log for 2015-07-24

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[0:31] <jidar> anybody know offhand how to change the admin user's password in Calamari
[0:31] <jidar> I'm pretty much ready to destroy the server and start over
[0:32] <jidar> because the `calamari-ctl clear --yes-i-am-sure` doesn't do what one might expect it to do
[0:34] <monsted> has anyone seen prices for the HGST He10 SMR drives yet?
[0:34] <monsted> (or is that Ha10?)
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[0:43] <jidar> man what a pain in the butt
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[0:49] <markl> hi guys, i realize this would probably be more trouble than it's worth, but is it possible to have one rbd client machine be part of two totally different ceph clusters?
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[1:07] <Nats_> markl, it is yes
[1:07] <Nats_> the tldr is you have to specify which ceph.conf to use for every command
[1:08] <Nats_> so it would be pretty painful unless you have some software that can do so on your behalf
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[1:14] <Nats_> well, thats not strictly true - you can something like export CEPH_ARGS='-c /my/ceph.conf'
[1:14] <Nats_> and the various ceph programs will pick that up, to save some typing
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[1:47] <ndru> Working with glance on ceph. It seems if I create a volume from an image which differs in size from the image, it still downloads it to the host and converts it, then imports it. Is there a way to prevent this from happening? show_image_direct_url = True is set in glance.conf as recommended.
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[1:49] <badone> jidar: doesn't Calamari store at least some of it's config in a postgres DB? Maybe you could edit that directly?
[1:50] <jidar> badone: I started too actuallt
[1:50] <jidar> but it's got the wildest hash on it
[1:50] <badone> jidar: hmmm
[1:50] <jidar> I figured I'd do a delete of that row and then re-init the server
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[1:50] * badone nods
[1:51] <jidar> but stopped myself because eventually (an hour later) figured out that calamari-ctl has a password reset option
[1:51] <badone> jidar: did that work for you?
[1:51] <jidar> I just can't understand why clear --yes-i-am-sure and init doesn't do this
[1:51] <jidar> yea it worked just fine
[1:51] <badone> jidar: cool
[1:51] <jidar> I even found a secrets.key file and removed it
[1:52] <jidar> re-did the init, and rebooted the server
[1:52] <jidar> nope, required the change_password
[1:52] <jidar> ??\_(???)_/??
[1:52] <badone> :)
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[9:04] <Be-El> hi
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[11:51] <julen> Hi there! Does somebody happen to know how to (re) generate the bootstrap-mds/ceph.keyring file?
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[14:15] <cpceph> I've been experiencing a wicked problem I suspect may be with tiering. I have an EC pool as the base and have a writeback cache pool overlaying it. I'm using cephfs with ceph-fuse. My problem is when I write files they're intact but as little as an hour later some files get corrupted. The file size reports to be the same as the original file but opening the file in a hex editor shows only 00's. Is it possible that this happens when the file is gets flushed to t
[14:17] <cpceph> I suspect tiering since I only noticed this after I started flushing and evicting.
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[14:24] <hkraal> cpceph: your line got cut off after "this happens when the file is gets flushed to t"
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[14:26] <cpceph> Is it possible that this happens when the file gets flushed to the EC pool?
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[14:55] <wonko_be> hi all
[14:56] <wonko_be> is there a way to recover your data if you have your osd disks, but no monitor (data)
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[15:15] <[Sim]> there we go :)
[15:17] <[Sim]> I'm having lots of headaches getting ceph going on debian jessie (not even the /sid upgrade discussion). anyone got good pointers for that? I'd love to do ceph-deploy with a recent release of ceph, but the official repo only has older version and no ceph-deploy ...
[15:17] <alfredodeza> [Sim]: we don't have builds for jessie that I know off
[15:17] <[Sim]> i've been googling for quite a bit on decent guides, but nothing conclusive came up
[15:18] <[Sim]> nope, there are dependancies unmet if I try to kludge in the wheezy packages :(
[15:18] <[Sim]> but I am kinda hoping for an unofficial repo or 'frontport' of sorts ;-)
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[15:27] <nils_> [Sim]: that's going to be rather difficult because of systemd
[15:27] <[Sim]> yeah, I encountered some systemd headaches already
[15:27] <[Sim]> although I also found a few promising parts that do work
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[16:06] <nils_> can I prioritize recovery over backfilling?
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[16:09] <doppelgrau> nils_: starting with hammer recovery should be somehow prefered automatically (but only by some weight in my experience)
[16:09] <nils_> doppelgrau: yeah, this cluster is kinda broken now anyways.
[16:09] <doppelgrau> nils_: but you could use ceph osd set nobackfill and norebalance
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[16:12] <nils_> only 2 osd servers and no one bothered to get a third one once the thing went into produciton ;)
[16:13] <doppelgrau> ???nice???
[16:13] <smerz> geez
[16:13] <nils_> and a bug in btrfs which causes the OSDs to crash
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[16:18] <ksk> hey guys
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[16:19] <ksk> Im following the "manuel-deployment" documents and came around that: "Use the --activate-key argument if you do not have a copy of/var/lib/ceph/bootstrap-osd/{cluster}.keyring on the Ceph Node." -- I am however wondering, where does the osd.keyring come from initally? many thanks
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[17:05] <sean> has anyone successfully used ceph-deploy with dmcrypt and separate disks for journals?
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[17:10] <nils_> my brother has a prison pen-pal who claims he knows someone who did
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[17:13] <sean> in hammer I constantly get issues with journal creation ::
[17:13] <sean> 2015-07-23 16:40:31.411225 7fb07eff1900 -1 journal check: ondisk fsid 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 doesn't match expected f8b57033-dd8d-41ea-ace1-593bd6048789, invalid (someone else's?) journal
[17:13] <sean> 2015-07-23 16:40:31.411251 7fb07eff1900 -1 filestore(/var/lib/ceph/tmp/mnt.Aa9khA) mkjournal error creating journal on /var/lib/ceph/tmp/mnt.Aa9khA/journal: (22) Invalid argument
[17:14] <sean> but I know it worked in giant and firefly using the same commands
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[18:09] <ksk> how long should a ceph-disk create run? I waited for like 15 minutes now, is it normal?
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[18:10] <[arx]> nope
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[18:44] <sean> ksk: what does the log say
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[19:07] <ira> 729463
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[19:14] <nils_> is striping support planned for the kernel driver?
[19:14] <nils_> I heard mention of maybe in 4.0 or 4.1
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[20:14] <sean> 2015-07-24 13:12:04.493171 7f5aa2fb6900 -1 journal check: ondisk fsid 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 doesn't match expected 5e5ae0b1-11a9-4716-8c9f-f3705d1f0d35, invalid (someone else's?) journal
[20:14] <sean> 2015-07-24 13:12:04.493235 7f5aa2fb6900 -1 filestore(/var/lib/ceph/tmp/mnt.7Fvzpc) mkjournal error creating journal on /var/lib/ceph/tmp/mnt.7Fvzpc/journal: (22) Invalid argument
[20:14] <sean> still happening in giant. I must be doing something wrong
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[20:23] <snakamoto1> do you have journals defined in your ceph.conf that don't match with how you created the OSDs?
[20:27] <sean> snakamoto1: nope. Default config except for cluster network defined
[20:28] <sean> only seems to happen when using --dmcrypt though
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[20:28] <andrew> im getting error when creating a volume with ceph backend: Unable to update volume replication status, RBDDriver -1.1.0 (config name RBD_VOLUMES) driver is uninitialized. any ideas?
[20:30] <sean> andrew: openstack ? on cent?
[20:32] <sean> i know you need the qemu kvm packages in cent for rbd to work or something like that.
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[20:38] <andrew> sean: yes openstack on ubuntu
[20:49] <sean> andrew: first thing would be to check if ceph is properly installed and cinder.conf is right I guess
[20:50] <sean> i've never personally had any issues except when my cinder.conf was messed up. Can you mount/mess with rbds outside of openstack volumes?
[20:56] <andrew> sean: yeah im able to mess around rbd (rbd create test123 --size 10242 -p volumes) on the controller/compute nodes
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[20:56] <andrew> and able to see the result: rbd -n client.cinder -p volumes ls
[20:58] <jclm> andrew: Can you retry your command with the userid you created for Cinder to check. rbd ???id <cinderid> create ??? and check it works fine from the cinder node?
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[21:01] <jclm> andrew: If this works fine, error in ceph.conf is the most probable cause. Note that the rbd ls command will just check the read permission on the pool.
[21:02] <andrew> hmm trying
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[21:06] <andrew> jclm: ( rbd --id cinder create test6 --size 1024 -p volumes) worked fine.. i'll look into ceph.conf
[21:07] <jclm> andrew: OK. So check ceph.conf for sure.
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[22:03] <sean> just tried the same bash script I always used to quickly deploy a small ceph cluster and it looks like ceph-deploy osd create now wants --dmcrypt after the create command which is nice but something is still wrong and the journals are still not being created. I get the same error and none of the osds start although ceph-deploy exits with 0 status instead of 1
[22:04] <sean> same error ::
[22:04] <sean> 2015-07-24 15:04:49.212507 7f20e5fcc900 -1 journal check: ondisk fsid 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 doesn't match expected a7a0f44f-9fbc-4f8f-8a92-1fec4b909fe6, invalid (someone else's?) journal
[22:04] <sean> 2015-07-24 15:04:49.212553 7f20e5fcc900 -1 filestore(/var/lib/ceph/tmp/mnt.7fg_gT) mkjournal error creating journal on /var/lib/ceph/tmp/mnt.7fg_gT/journal: (22) Invalid argument
[22:04] <sean> this time without any ceph.conf outside of what ceph-deploy creates.
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[22:07] <TheSov> has anyone built a multihomed cluster?
[22:07] <TheSov> like size 6 and split into 2 large seperate but interconnected sections?
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[22:08] <sean> nope. Not yet. Only one network here currently
[22:08] <TheSov> this is an interesting use case my company asked me about before proceed with our initial setup
[22:08] <TheSov> asked if we can have the same cluster in 2 different dc's and use the data locally in both locations
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[22:09] <TheSov> I wondered what type of lag there might be on the storage
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[22:27] <m0zes> so primary for a dc would all be in that dc? and the data access for that pool would only come from that dc?
[22:28] <andrew> hmm still getting: RBDDriver -1.1.0 (config name RBD_VOLUMES) driver is uninitialized and ceph.conf matches my working cluster in rhel
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[22:30] <TheSov> m0zes, no as in a cluster that kind of knows its segregated via a WAN link
[22:31] <TheSov> for instance if i had some SQL servers connected via RBD. 2 monitors at each DC and 1 in the cloud
[22:31] <m0zes> right, but if the primary osd for the pg is over the wan link, you could have some *serious* lag.
[22:32] <TheSov> exactly
[22:32] <TheSov> is there any way to "home" something?
[22:32] <TheSov> i know crush has a "DC" layer
[22:32] <m0zes> by setting a crush rule (per pool) that chooses a primary in "local" dc.
[22:33] <TheSov> the goal of this would be to provide an instant failover in the event of segregation
[22:33] <doppelgrau> and that means if the service moves to the other DC all traffik goes over the WAN or you have to copy between pools
[22:34] <m0zes> "locality" is not something ceph really cares about by default, or intrinsicly.
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[22:35] <m0zes> at least with respect to writing and reading from the "fastest" osd.
[22:42] <TheSov> well thats pretty sucky
[22:42] <TheSov> what if i wanted one of my ceph replicants to be smr disks
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[22:44] <doppelgrau> TheSov: use different roots & crush-rules and/or read-afinity
[22:44] <doppelgrau> sorry, primary_afinity
[22:44] <TheSov> so then it is possible to home data R/W to a specific set of OSDs
[22:45] <m0zes> sure, in different pools for different DCs.
[22:45] <doppelgrau> http://ceph.com/docs/master/rados/operations/crush-map/
[22:45] <doppelgrau> see the example with platter & ssd
[22:51] <TheSov> hmmmm
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[22:55] <TheSov> so in a failover situation, i would apply the local crushmap to the remote pools and that will "re-home" them?
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[22:57] <doppelgrau> if you have the quorum and enough copies and enough spare capacity on your side, yes (including tons aof data movement)
[22:58] <TheSov> well isnt the no backfill option set to "rack"
[22:58] <TheSov> so it shouldnt backfill in the event we lose a dc
[22:58] <TheSov> and im assuming a size of 6
[22:59] <TheSov> so 3 copies should be on both sides
[22:59] <TheSov> in theory...
[22:59] <doppelgrau> .. that should be well tested bevore you put something like that into production
[23:00] <doppelgrau> or we see you writing blogposts like the guys from SF ;)
[23:00] <TheSov> ooooh did they say what they did wrong?
[23:00] <TheSov> or did ceph fail
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[23:00] <TheSov> im assuming they failed to disable writecaching
[23:01] <TheSov> thats what im hunching on anyway
[23:03] <jclm> andrew: Have you also checked access permissions of the ceph.conf and the keyring file by the Cinder processes?
[23:03] <jclm> andrew: What does the cinder volume log tell you?
[23:03] <jclm> You should have a python stack trace in there when cinder is trying to connect to the Ceph cluster
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[23:06] <TheSov> so im assuming that SF didnt admit the fault?
[23:06] <TheSov> i know if it was ceph that had a fault they would have put that in the press release
[23:07] <TheSov> but they didnt
[23:07] <TheSov> thats why i am assuming user error
[23:09] <doppelgrau> TheSov: or simply the reason is not yet 100% examined ATM, I guess restoring the system has higher priority than a blame game
[23:09] <TheSov> right but to restore
[23:09] <TheSov> they had to have an operational cluster
[23:09] <TheSov> if your car just exploded would you get back into it and start trying to drive?
[23:09] <doppelgrau> TheSov: and I???d bet the support wouldn???t be better if they blame them
[23:10] <doppelgrau> TheSov: if the alternative is beeing washed away by a tsunami, yes
[23:10] <TheSov> LOL slashdot media can DIAF as far as i care, but i do want to know what went wrong. blame aside
[23:11] <TheSov> we are about to deploy ceph into prod and if someone brings this up at the next meeting I want to have a response prepped
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[23:14] <ska> What is the /n in the address for ceph mons: a.b.c.d:6789/0 ? when would it be non-zero?
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[23:14] <doppelgrau> TheSov: we can simply wait will there are good rumors or even press releases. There are way to many variables. Starting with very old ceph-Versions with known bugs over caches and power failures or broken hbas that went unnoticed too long ???
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[23:20] <doppelgrau> or even really fat fingers in combination with configuration management
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[23:23] <TheSov> well i told what i believe, I think they forgot to disable writecacheing
[23:23] <TheSov> a power outage later, BAM corrupt data!
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