#ceph IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2015-07-01

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[1:10] <diq> anyone have any feedback on ceph with 4TB drives? good? bad? run away from certain models?
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[1:13] <snakamoto> diq: I'll have some data in 2 months = \
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[1:16] <Nats_> backblaze's blog often has some good data on brands they find most reliable
[1:16] <Nats_> well, models i mean
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[1:20] <diq> yeah I checked that but they definitely go for low power and low performance
[1:21] <diq> they're very write heavy and almost never read
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[1:23] <snakamoto> thinking out loud: how about using their reliability data as a starting point?
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[1:25] <diq> tough to do because so many variables change from model to model even from the same manufacturer
[1:26] <ira> drives really are a model by model thing alas.... dig's right there :/... batch by batch in some cases...
[1:26] <diq> even then, I'm also looking for some perf stuff if possible. Not just failure rates.
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[1:34] <ira> dig: Perf, you can probably use a small sample.
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[2:24] <llpamies> I have a question about ceph behavior that I cannot find in the docs. It is the following: How many scrub errors need to be fixed (due to disk corrupted data) before an OSD is marked as faulty and taken down?
[2:25] <llpamies> Is there any documentation about it?
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[2:28] <lathiat_> llpamies: couldn't find that with a quick google either, perhaps there isn't one
[2:29] <llpamies> lathiat_: thanks, maybe someone here knows it...
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[2:29] <lathiat_> yeah good chance, i think this is the quiet time of day for #ceph may need ot wait until a bit later
[2:30] <llpamies> lathiat_: do you know if the errors detected during scrub are automatically repaired ?
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[2:30] <lathiat_> i am fairly confident that would be the case, but I cannot say with certainty
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[2:32] <snakamoto> These are from notes I have from a training session:
[2:32] <snakamoto> How does the cluster detect errors in the recorded data?
[2:32] <snakamoto> ?? ?? ??There is a light scub, that checks for consistency in the extended attributes for an object across all copies.
[2:32] <snakamoto> ?? ?? ??There is a deep srub that reads all the object data and verifies its CRC. ??If an error is detected, there is only a warning!?? Correction must be done manually.
[2:33] <lathiat_> hrm interesting
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[2:34] <snakamoto> I highly recommend the Inktank Ceph training if anyone has the chance to take it.
[2:35] <llpamies> snakamoto: thank you
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[2:42] <davidz1> llpamies: The scrub and deep-scrub commands do not automatically repair anything. A repair command is available which does automatic repair, but in some cases manual intervention is the better choice.
[2:42] <llpamies> davidz1: thank you, that helps a lot
[2:43] <snakamoto> Is there any documentation on what manual intervention entails? I have not looked for it yet.
[2:44] <llpamies> snakamoto: I found this two blogs: http://eturnerx.blogspot.com/2014/10/ceph-repair-inconsistent-pg-placement.html and http://eturnerx.blogspot.com/2015/02/howto-deep-scrub-on-all-ceph-placement.html
[2:47] <snakamoto> Thank you
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[5:16] <CScrace> Hi, does anyone know how to get new pools to use the id of deleted pools? I deleted a bunch of test pools and now can't get pools with those ids. Thanks!
[5:18] <m0zes> pool ids increment only. you'd have to blow away the monitors (and thus the cluster) to get it to reuse numbers.
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[5:19] <CScrace> damn
[5:19] <CScrace> tempting, its a brand new cluster with no data in it
[5:19] <m0zes> what does it matter?
[5:20] <CScrace> it bugs me :P
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[5:20] <m0zes> every command uses the pool name. pretend the ids don't exist ;)
[5:21] <CScrace> haha ok :)
[5:21] <CScrace> thanks
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[8:54] <Be-El> hi
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[9:04] <tuanlq5> hello everyone
[9:05] <tuanlq5> is hammer release stable yet?
[9:05] <tuanlq5> can I use it for production now?
[9:05] <tuanlq5> thanks
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[9:15] <Be-El> tuanlq5: hammer is a lts release and can be considered "stable" (for certain definitions of stable)
[9:16] <jidar> you guys ever see this issue when launching a bunch of ceph based cinder volumes in openstack? {"message": "Build of instance a396f302-1d6f-4241-b7cc-13472d635929 aborted: Failure prepping block device."
[9:18] <tuanlq5> thank Be-El
[9:21] <tuanlq5> does ceph support cache over cache?
[9:22] <tuanlq5> I intents to build a storage with three layer: erasure - cache HDD - cache SSD
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[9:23] <tuanlq5> does it good? or a better idea?
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[9:24] <Be-El> afaik cache over cache is not supported
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[10:56] <RomeroJnr> How can I disable the civetweb on the rados gateway?
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[11:14] <RomeroJnr> anyone?
[11:14] <RomeroJnr> no? :(
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[15:59] <theanalyst> /NAMES
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[16:00] <scuttlemonkey> Ceph Developer Summit starting shortly for anyone that would like to join: http://tracker.ceph.com/projects/ceph/wiki/CDS_Jewel
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[16:47] <zenpac> Anyone have examples of how to query Calamari's REST API using curl?
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[16:54] <zenpac> What username/password do I use to talk to Calamari, and how do I set it in the calamari server?
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[17:00] <jcsp> zenpac: don't have a curl example, but there's a very simple python example in the docs: http://calamari.readthedocs.org/en/latest/calamari_rest/authentication.html
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[17:06] <zenpac> I have that, but what do I set the credentials to?
[17:06] <zenpac> Where is that stored?
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[17:40] <zenpac> How do I list users in calamari? How do I list roles?
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[18:54] <jcsp> zenpac: the user is prompted for username/password to create an admin account during "calamari-ctl initialize"
[18:55] <jcsp> the username and password hash live in the postgres database, managed by django's auth framework
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[18:57] <jcsp> calamari-ctl also have commands for resetting the database if you've forgotten your credentials
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[19:05] <MentalRay> I was wondering how the writes to journal occur when having 3+ copy of files setup
[19:05] <MentalRay> Once the 1st copy has been written from the journal to the OSD
[19:06] <MentalRay> is the 1st journal writes a copy to a second journal which then will write to its osd?
[19:06] <MentalRay> (my guess is yes but I just want to get this confirm)
[19:06] <zenpac> I get an error when I try to do (or re-do_ the "calamari-ctl initialize" steps.
[19:06] <zenpac> Perhaps I need to stop services when I try initialize?
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[19:13] <doppelgrau> MentalRay: on each of the three osds writes go first to the journal, later to the ???disk???
[19:14] <MentalRay> but each journal on top of each OSD get involve right?
[19:15] <doppelgrau> on top?
[19:15] <MentalRay> associated*
[19:15] <doppelgrau> on each involved OSD
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[19:16] <MentalRay> yes
[19:16] <MentalRay> ok
[19:16] <MentalRay> my other question is when an OSD fail
[19:16] <MentalRay> and the cluster need to recover and start replicating the data lost from this OSD
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[19:17] <MentalRay> it goes from one OSD to the other OSD directly (bypassing the journals)
[19:17] <MentalRay> right?
[19:17] <doppelgrau> journals are part of an OSD
[19:18] <cholcombe> that's a good question. i'm not sure
[19:18] <cholcombe> i'd guess the journals have to be rebuilt also
[19:18] <MentalRay> because on our SSD Cluster performance when having 3 copies get annihilated
[19:19] <MentalRay> but when we are recovering from a OSD Node down(during POC)
[19:19] <MentalRay> it max out the ports (2x10GbE on POC)
[19:20] <snakamoto> all ports in the cluster?
[19:21] <MentalRay> so I was wondering if on full ssd cluster, after the 1st copy has been written, if it would be a nice feature to have that the copy2 and3 get replicated like when a recovery occur (without the DSYNC Write)
[19:21] <MentalRay> this would be a massive gain in performance
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[19:23] <snakamoto> In your example, are you sure you're doing an apples-to-apples comparison between the amount of data that needs to be written?
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[19:28] <MentalRay> when the data is first written to an journal
[19:28] <MentalRay> it use DSYNC writes
[19:28] <MentalRay> this is why only drive with PLP work fine
[19:28] <MentalRay> but DSYNC write kill performance
[19:29] <MentalRay> if we could save to have to write to 2 more journal in DSYNC for copy 2 and 3
[19:29] <MentalRay> it would be huge gain
[19:29] <MentalRay> (only for SSD cluster of course
[19:30] <doppelgrau> MentalRay: are you shure the difference was not because of different size of the writes?
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[19:31] <doppelgrau> MentalRay: during revovery whole objects are copied, if you use it for rbd-Images writes are usually far far smaller
[19:31] <MentalRay> its possible, im not sure tbh
[19:32] <MentalRay> just an idea I had
[19:32] <MentalRay> when debuging performance issue with a 100 OSD SSD Cluster
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[19:57] <llpamies> My cluster has one PG marked as "active+clean+inconsistent" after I run a deep scrubbing. With "ceph pg <pgid> query" it is telling me that there are 2 objects with errors. Is there any way to list the names of the specific afected objects?
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[20:32] <Flynn> Hi all; I have a 3 node cluster that works fine, running giant release. I made two rulesets in crush, one for my sata and one for my sas disks. That also works fine. However, after a reboot, all OSD???s revert to the default host/ruleset??? How can I make sure the mapping of OSD???s is permanent?
[20:33] <m0zes> Flynn: 'osd crush update on start = false' is one option
[20:34] <m0zes> http://ceph.com/docs/master/rados/operations/crush-map/#crush-location
[20:34] <Flynn> put that in ceph.conf global setction?
[20:34] <m0zes> in the [osd] section works.
[20:34] <m0zes> the better option is a custom location hook. one that can move things to the proper point in the tree directly.
[20:35] <m0zes> especially if you plan on increasing the cluster.
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[20:36] <llpamies> When I do a scrub+repair, I assume that the scrub operation will store the objetcts that reported errors and the repair operation will take and repair those. Is it correct? or those the repair scan for errors again?
[20:36] <llpamies> s/or those/or does/
[20:37] <m0zes> llpamies: repair only takes the copy from the primary pg into account. it copies from primary to the slave osds.
[20:38] <llpamies> m0zes, but does it do that for all objects or only objects with errors?
[20:38] <m0zes> pretty sure all objects in the pg.
[20:38] <llpamies> m0zes, what if the primary OSD has an error and the secondary replica is the correct one?
[20:39] <Flynn> If I use the ???osd crush update on start??? option, how does it know the crushmap I set before manually?
[20:39] <m0zes> there is a way to repair, I'm having problems finding it.
[20:39] <llpamies> "ceph pg repair <pgid>" ?
[20:39] <m0zes> Flynn: you'll have to reset your crushmap, then restart the osds with the new option.
[20:39] <MightyFork> I understand that Ceph S3-compatible api doesn't support bucket notification, is anyone aware of a way to get that functionality with some added layer?
[20:40] <m0zes> llpamies: not if the primary is the one with errors.
[20:40] <Flynn> m0zes: and that will survive a reboot of the complete node?
[20:40] <llpamies> m0zes, I didn't know....
[20:40] <m0zes> Flynn: correct.
[20:40] <Flynn> Ok, I???m going to test that now :)
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[20:41] <Flynn> thanks
[20:41] <llpamies> m0zes, does "deep-scrub" check for checksum of file ?
[20:41] <m0zes> yes, it should be checking the checksum.
[20:42] <llpamies> m0zes, that is not my expirience. I went to the OSD filesystem, replaced a byte, and deep-scrub did not detect
[20:43] <m0zes> llpamies: unfortunately I cannot find the information on how to repair the primary osd in the pg. I know that is something they're talking about making easier at the Ceph Developer Summit today/tommorrow. http://tracker.ceph.com/projects/ceph/wiki/Scrub_repair
[20:44] <llpamies> m0zes, thanks for the help, I'll keep digging
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[20:53] <MightyFork> is there some way to get support for S3 bucket notification? tertiary/ancillary software layer?
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[21:05] <Flynn> m0zes: it works! nice.
[21:05] <davidz1> llpamies m0zes: Repair is just like a deep-scrub that also repairs There is a plan for keeping a list of objects that need repair, but the list needs to be invalidated when appropriate. If a repair can't otherwise determine which replica is bad the primary copy is used to repair the others.
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[21:09] <burley> llpamies: Here's a general method that should work to repair an inconsistent object, assuming you have 3 or more copies: http://www.sebastien-han.fr/blog/2015/04/27/ceph-manually-repair-object/ (fix the problem section)
[21:09] <burley> in general, however, inconsistencies are indicative of a problem (disk, filesystem, etc.) -- so that needs looked into as well
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[21:10] <burley> if the bad object is on a replica, I'd just repair it and move along
[21:12] <burley> we scripted the detection and fix method for a single object inconsistency in a single pg in our env -- unfortunately its very much specific to our env so its not going to be generally useful -- and it doesn't automate looking into /why/ the object went inconsistent
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[23:50] <bsanders> Did I miss the "krbd exclusive locking" talk?
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[23:56] <joshd> bsanders: didn't have that one, not a ton to talk about on it. a few details are in the blueprint
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