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IRC Log for 2015-06-26

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[0:18] <newbie> hello
[0:19] <newbie> geez
[0:20] * newbie is now known as pp1634
[0:20] <pp1634> ok.. long time since i have used irc
[0:20] <pp1634> forgot the commands
[0:20] <pp1634> anyway.. anyone here ?
[0:21] <Sysadmin88> peopple are around
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[0:27] <cholcombe> could crush be considered a distributed hash table?
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[0:30] <pp1634> i am trying to work out a set of HA chef servers
[0:31] <pp1634> i was figuring that i could use the ceph fs, and install my chef applications into that FS
[0:32] <pp1634> my primary chef server would only read/write from a specific ceph storage location
[0:32] <pp1634> if that chef server goes down, my backup, would then have access to those same config/db files in the ceph cluster
[0:33] <pp1634> so i was wondering how stable ceph fs is at this time ?
[0:33] <pp1634> is it production ready ?
[0:33] <pp1634> keep in mind my chef servers would sit idle 95% of the time
[0:33] <pp1634> so i think i can take the perf hit by running chef from a ceph fs
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[0:45] <pp1634> anyone run postgres out of ceph fs ?
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[1:32] <pp1634> \exit
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[8:24] <ZyTer> hi
[8:26] <ZyTer> someone use inkscope here, and can tell me some info for setup correctly mongodb, and inkscope.conf (for mongo)
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[9:34] <Be-El> hi
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[10:57] <Be-El> what's the best way to get rid of unfound objects? osd.36 [ERR] 12.83 has 1 objects unfound and apparently lost
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[12:18] <hlkv6-59469> hi all, question: I have 3 mons, should they be listed in the /etc/ceph/ceph.conf on the radosgw server? - trying to run ceph-ansible
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[12:18] <hlkv6-59469> I have a working config, with a [mon] section that lists my 3 mons in there on the radosgw - needed?
[12:21] <peem> hlkv6-59469: probably not needed if you running only gateway on that server, but maybe worth keeping all config files consistent ? I dod that with ceph-deploy, so config changes are only on admin server, then they are deployed to all servers.
[12:22] <hlkv6-59469> peem: I am still learning, and how does the rgw find the cluster then?
[12:22] <hlkv6-59469> if I remove them from config?
[12:22] <Be-El> hlkv6-59469: radosgw is just another process and ceph client. and as every ceph client it needs to know how to contact at least one monitor
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[12:23] <peem> hlkv6-59469: I was wrong, monitors are needed on gateway too.
[12:23] <peem> as per Be-El response.
[12:24] <hlkv6-59469> ok
[12:24] <hlkv6-59469> then my problem seems to be related to ansible and the jinja template with {% for host in groups['mons'] %} not working completely
[12:25] <hlkv6-59469> thanks for quick response :-)
[12:25] <Be-El> hlkv6-59469: you do not need to list all monitors in the conf file, since it is sufficient to contact one monitor. the ceph client then get the mon map from it
[12:25] <Be-El> hlkv6-59469: for consistency and redundancy reasons, it is recommended to include all monitors
[12:25] <hlkv6-59469> Be-El: if that monitor is running, so I guess having all three listed is ok too?
[12:26] <Be-El> hlkv6-59469: it should be ok, yes
[12:26] <Be-El> hlkv6-59469: listing only one monitor should also be ok, but if that monitor is offline, you cannot access the ceph cluster (and there's this murphy guy that takes care for taking it down... )
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[12:28] <hlkv6-59469> Be-El: TY
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[12:58] <delaf> hello
[12:58] <delaf> does anybody know if it will be possible to use Ceph with XenServer ?
[12:59] <delaf> I found a blog post from july 2013 that talk about it, but nothing more recent
[12:59] <delaf> (http://xenserver.org/blog/entry/tech-preview-of-xenserver-libvirt-ceph.html)
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[13:31] <timi> hi
[13:31] <timi> why do I have degraded undersized and stuck unclean pgs ?
[13:32] <timi> apparently can't get rid of them
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[13:35] <timi> http://pastebin.com/RdRfJSyC this is my ceph status
[13:36] <timi> and osd tree http://pastebin.com/Y16XhLd6
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[13:53] <anorak> timi: you can do "ceph pg dump" to trace that which problematic pgs are mapped to which osds...and do they belong to the same osd or different...
[13:54] <boolman> is ceph handling different osd types/sizes. for example i have 10 nodes with 30 osd's mixed size(300/600/2TB/3TB) and type(7200/10k/15k)
[13:54] <boolman> the data/replication distribution in specific
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[13:56] <timi> I set the replica size to 2 and min size to 1, now I have only 3 pgs stuck unclean
[13:56] <timi> can make them active somehow ?
[13:57] <timi> they are in active+remapped state
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[13:57] <Be-El> boolman: ceph can handle it, but the recommendation is using homogenous configurations
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[13:58] <Guest2956> in my cluster i have brought down one of the server but still "ceph osd tree" shows that all osd as up and its been almost 5 minutes and there is no change in state of osd
[13:58] <boolman> Be-El: will it select more than 1 replica on a larger disk for eg. if needed ?
[13:59] <Be-El> boolman: nope
[13:59] <boolman> ok, great thanks
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[13:59] <Guest2956> i can read/write on rbd volume only issue is state is not changing ,what is the default time ceph needs to change the status of osd to down
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[14:06] <timi> hm I reweighted all osds
[14:07] <timi> everything looks ok now
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[14:29] <Guest2956> any idea about osd being marked as up even if the node is down
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[14:34] <boolman> item 'ceph-ix01' in bucket 'rack01' is not defined
[14:35] <boolman> i'm trying to compile a crushmap with two racks, 5 nodes in each rack
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[14:41] <boolman> aha, it was stupid, read top->bottom
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[14:57] <boolman> step choose firstn 2 type rack
[14:57] <boolman> step chooseleaf firstn 0 type host
[14:57] <boolman> if my replication factor i 3, will it choose 2 racks, and 3 hosts per rack, so the actual replication factor will be 6 ?
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[16:45] <ska> Can I compile and install Calamari without Vagrant or Salt?
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[18:01] <TheSov> how do you guys get your RBD's into vms? do you just connect 4 networks to vmware seperately , add them to the vm, and bond them in vm?
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[18:06] <ska> TheSov: Are you talking about dealing with the bandwidth capacity?
[18:07] <TheSov> yes i need to pass RBD's into VM's and theres no vmware client sooo how would i achieve that bandwidth
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[18:07] <TheSov> would I have to have vmware do the nic bonding?
[18:07] <ska> TheSov: I think so, but Vmware should handle that internally I would guess.
[18:08] <ska> I think the network setup would be independent of any Ceph considerations.. You just want raw bandwidth.
[18:10] <ska> As long as your switch to Vsphere supports aggregation it should be ok.. Some versions of vmware only allow a single switch to aggregate .
[18:11] <ska> TheSov: does your vmware support 10mbit nics?
[18:12] <ska> Should be 10gbit
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[18:14] <ska> TheSov: You'd have to plan it out and ensure all the jumbo-frame settings are right on both sides.
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[18:20] <TheSov> ska, they wont give me 10 gig yet here
[18:21] <TheSov> right now ceph is in testing phase
[18:21] <TheSov> i got 4 crappy machines for osds that share disk with the OS
[18:21] <TheSov> 4 KiB blocks: 1863.6 IO/s, 7.3 MiB/s ( 61.1 Mbit/s)
[18:21] <TheSov> 8 KiB blocks: 1989.9 IO/s, 15.5 MiB/s (130.4 Mbit/s)
[18:21] <TheSov> 16 KiB blocks: 1933.1 IO/s, 30.2 MiB/s (253.4 Mbit/s)
[18:21] <TheSov> 32 KiB blocks: 1653.5 IO/s, 51.7 MiB/s (433.4 Mbit/s)
[18:21] <TheSov> 64 KiB blocks: 1495.4 IO/s, 93.5 MiB/s (784.0 Mbit/s)
[18:21] <TheSov> 128 KiB blocks: 1200.3 IO/s, 150.0 MiB/s ( 1.3 Gbit/s)
[18:21] <TheSov> 256 KiB blocks: 983.8 IO/s, 246.0 MiB/s ( 2.1 Gbit/s)
[18:21] <TheSov> 512 KiB blocks: 757.8 IO/s, 378.9 MiB/s ( 3.2 Gbit/s)
[18:21] <TheSov> 1 MiB blocks: 506.1 IO/s, 506.1 MiB/s ( 4.2 Gbit/s)
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[18:21] <TheSov> thats what im getting right now
[18:22] <TheSov> but my boss wants to see VM performance
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[18:22] <championofcyrodi> TheSov: are VMs using thin provisioning?
[18:23] <TheSov> no the vmdk's are on iscsi, I want to connect the RBD's in guest
[18:23] <xoritor> TheSov, VM performance for what? lots of things that could mean. hosting, file serving, etc..
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[18:23] <TheSov> xoritor, my boss wants to see if the ceph client will cause excessive cpu usage in the vm guest os's
[18:24] <TheSov> since vmware has no native ceph client
[18:24] <xoritor> ah
[18:24] <xoritor> cant tell you there
[18:24] <championofcyrodi> i've looked in to that a bit... the ceph clients only need to run jenkins hash to compute block locations.
[18:24] <xoritor> sorry
[18:26] <championofcyrodi> which is not a complex function compared to something like SHA1
[18:26] <championofcyrodi> so the ceph client should utilize very minimal cpu
[18:26] <championofcyrodi> your network and disk will likely become bottlenecks before the cpu does.
[18:28] <championofcyrodi> assuming your referring to VM performance in that you are testing against the ceph mount point in guest OS.
[18:28] <championofcyrodi> 'rbd' mount point... whatever
[18:29] <championofcyrodi> essentially the client is doing: v
[18:29] <championofcyrodi> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenkins_hash_function
[18:30] <championofcyrodi> i guess the size of the cluster could matter as well.
[18:30] <championofcyrodi> in that a large crush map will have more variations to it
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[18:38] <rotbeard> TheSov, you should keep in mind that mapping RBDs inside a VMs means the VM has access to the ceph cluster. imho that isn't pretty nice regarding to security things
[18:39] <TheSov> how else do you give a machine access to an rbd...
[18:40] <TheSov> championofcyrodi, thanks man!
[18:41] <TheSov> wtf vmware does not actually do nic teaming
[18:42] <TheSov> why on earth is that not a feature
[18:42] <TheSov> it does nic failover and active/active but different vm's getting shuttled to different nics
[18:42] <TheSov> it doesnt actually provide a dual linked pipeline
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[18:46] <monsted> is there some kind of web "file sharing" front end to ceph?
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[18:47] <monsted> like, can send a link to a customer with either some files or an upload form
[18:47] <janos> the rados gateway s3 stuff
[18:47] <janos> that would be the closest i'm familiar with
[18:48] <monsted> swift has temporary permissions that could be used for it, but you'd need some web UI around it
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[19:33] <championofcyrodi> TheSov, your switch sometimes needs to be configured for NIC teaming... also known as LAG, link aggregatation.
[19:33] <championofcyrodi> not all switches support it, but im sure yours does if 10Gbps
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[20:02] <TheSov> championofcyrodi, no vmware doesnt support lacp at all
[20:02] <TheSov> i actually am very familiar with bonding
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[20:03] <doppelgrau> TheSov: really ugly hack: equal cost multipath routing
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[21:26] <MrMr> hi, i just delete the radiosgw default pools, but there are still objects left even there are no pools any more. weird thing is, if i trigger the command one second later, there a suddenly no objects any more: http://pastebin.com/khAtsLVz cep -s is flapping due to this difference from ok to warning, too
[21:26] <MrMr> i am on the latest hammer release on debian wheezy
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[21:35] <Kupo1> Any users of ceph-ansible here?
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[21:38] <doppelgrau> Kupo1: I???m only user, not dev
[21:41] <MrMr> Kupo1: me too
[21:41] <Kupo1> Can you use it to deploy OSD's on partitions vs raw disks?
[21:42] <MrMr> Kupo1: yes, both is supported
[21:46] <Kupo1> MrMr: What do you set here? https://github.com/ceph/ceph-ansible/blob/master/group_vars/osds
[21:46] <Kupo1> Just do drevices - /dev/sdb2 ?
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[21:48] <MrMr> Kupo1: it depends what you want. how many devices and where you want to store your journal
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[21:57] <Kupo1> My main objective is to use a single drive for both OS and OSD
[21:57] <Kupo1> and colocate the journal with the OSD
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[22:01] <Kupo1> MrMr: ^
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[22:03] <TheSov> has anyone here encountered that as they add more osd, their speeds stop increasing?
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[22:10] <georgem> TheSov: if you can give more details...
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[22:33] <ska> Can I run ceph-client on a calamari server?
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[22:57] <TheSov> weird, i added ceph to my linked in profile and now i see ceph jobs popping up...the crazy part is, seems to be a buzz word like what they are asking for has nothing to do with ceph
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[22:58] <TheSov> "work with managed storage EMC, DELL, IBM, Ceph and HP" what?
[22:59] <TheSov> did they google managed storage and just copy the company names?
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[23:41] <ska> Do I need to run a salt master to hava Calamari server?
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