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IRC Log for 2015-05-01

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[4:32] <flaf> Hi, I have read here that people use cephfs with an nfs export with nfs-ganesha. But I don't understand the interest. For me, there is only one nfs server, so it's a specific point of failure. It seems to me more simple that client mount directly the cephfs (it's the goal of cephfs). Have I misunderstood something? Maybe nfs-ganesha has some features which I ignore. In fact, I don't understand the
[4:32] <flaf> interest. However I have seen people use it here.
[4:47] <gregsfortytwo> I think it's just when people want to get it into something that doesn't work with CephFS (Windows, old kernels or appliances, etc)
[4:48] <gregsfortytwo> you can still set up HA NFS however you do that and the data is safe even if there's temporary unavailability when ganesha box breaks
[4:51] <flaf> Ah ok gregsfortytwo, thx for your answer. I'm curious about the NFS HA with ganesha. I'll see that. Thx.
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[13:31] <s3an2> flaf: I have ran NFS HA using Just pacemaker with a group for (IP,RBD,FS,EXPORT) and it works pretty well unless you have a big problem with availbility in the ceph cluster that disrupts the RBD availbility.
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[13:34] <flaf> s3an2: ok, and did you use nfs-ganesha?
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[13:46] <Anticimex> s3an2: similar to http://www.sebastien-han.fr/blog/2012/07/06/nfs-over-rbd/ ?
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[14:10] <aszeszo> hi all, from what I read, it is possible to create rbd volume snapshots and do incremental delta transfers between different ceph clusters
[14:10] <aszeszo> that sounds useful for backup purposes
[14:11] <aszeszo> can something similar be done for cephfs
[14:11] <aszeszo> ?
[14:11] <aszeszo> from what i read you can have only one filesystem per cluster
[14:12] <aszeszo> and directory-level snapshots are there
[14:16] <aszeszo> is it possible to somehow do incremental cephfs backups without using tools like rsync?
[14:17] <flaf> aszeszo: afaik (not sure), the directory-level snapshots is experimental. But I'm sure about one thing: with Hammer, if you want to use this feature you must launch `ceph mds set allow_new_snaps true --yes-i-really-mean-it`
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[14:18] <aszeszo> ok
[14:18] <flaf> If you forget the --yes-i-really-mean-it option, you have this message: "Error EPERM: Snapshots are unstable and will probably break your FS! Set to --yes-i-really-mean-it if you are sure you want to enable them".
[14:18] <aszeszo> hehe, ok
[14:18] <aszeszo> not production grade then ;)
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[14:19] <aszeszo> flaf: do you know if you can snapshot whole cephfs volume?
[14:21] <flaf> No, I don't. The right way should be a .snap directory in the root of cephfs if I understand well but it's not stable (according to the message above).
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[14:26] <aszeszo> i am trying to figure out how to do multi-tenant NFS on top of Ceph with smart incremental offsite backups, etc.
[14:28] <aszeszo> cephfs + ganesha seems cool, but it doesn't look like consistent incremental backups would be easy to do
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[14:31] <flaf> aszeszo: but what is the interest for you to use cephfs + ganesha instead of mount cephfs directly in the clients?
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[14:32] <aszeszo> compatibility with non-Linux systems
[14:32] <flaf> ok, I see.
[14:33] <flaf> And in your case, will the nfs server be unique?
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[14:34] <aszeszo> yes, i was thinking about spinning separate ganesha instances on per-tenant basis
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[14:37] <flaf> I ask this question because I have not understand if ganesha have a native nfs-server HA support or if you need to configure *yourself* the HA with (for instance) pacemaker etc.
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[14:42] <aszeszo> you'd have to make it HA yourself as far as i know
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[14:47] <flaf> aszeszo: ah ok, thx.
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[15:34] <toMeloos> hi! can anybody tell me why "ceph osd crush rule create-erasure" creates a profile with min_size 3 even if m+k < 3 ? I see max_size is set as m+k, but min_size seems like a fixed value of 3. is this intentional or a bug?
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[15:36] <toMeloos> I mean creates a crush rule, not creates a profile
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[15:39] <burley> Been hitting sporadic issues where my OSDs spin eating up all available CPU on a node, and then the entire cluster performance tanks until we stop the OSDs on that node. I'd like to increase logging to try to get some more details on it since I haven't been able to find much useful in the existing logs, and I see a few potential log levels that can be increased (osd, filestore, journal, monc) -- should I increase all of those or stick wit
[15:39] <burley> just the OSD to begin with?
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[15:43] <burley> and what's a reasonable starting level to increase to, 10/10?
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[16:21] <Marty> are erasure codes in ceph able to handle bitrot?
[16:23] <madkiss> bitrot needs to be handled by scrubbing, no?
[16:24] <Marty> or simply a checksum so you are able to tell if a block is bad
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[16:44] <joelm> any way to check the progress of an rbd copy operation in flight (that's been called from an arbitrary script so you can't see normal console output)?
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[16:58] <cmdrk> i'm trying to scale my mds cache to fill the extra memory of my machine, but i can't seem to find out how many bytes one CephFS inode is. any one have any ideas? i guess i can find out experimentally :)
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[17:43] <sugoruyo> cmdrk: a little late to the party but shouldn't looking at the total amount of data stored in your cephfs metadata pool be a good indicator as to how much you should ideally cache?
[17:44] <georgem> I've used "ceph osd set noin" to make sure the newly added OSDs don't cause a lot of data rebalancing, then I added 10 more OSDs per storage node; then I added only one OSD to the crush using "ceph osd crush add osd.72 0.2 pool=default rack=rack1 host=storage3" but there is no data loading onto it, any idea?
[17:46] <hellertime> does radosgw expose some form of health check URL? is just checking that / returns 200 OK enough?
[17:46] <georgem> if I unset the "noin" flag, is it going to add all the new OSDs to the crushmap?
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[17:52] <cmdrk> sugoruyo: hm, good idea.
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[17:56] <sugoruyo> cmdrk: it might be interesting to look at whether those actually differ in their sizes or if they have a fixed size
[17:56] <sugoruyo> I'm not running CephFS myself so I can't test it
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[19:09] <gregsfortytwo> cmdrk: unfortunately the inodes/dentries in memory can be quite a different size than on-disk
[19:10] <gregsfortytwo> sizes for recent code are in the developer docs section though
[19:10] <gregsfortytwo> I think it was 1.5KB for an inode and .5KB for a dentry (plus name string sizes)
[19:10] <gregsfortytwo> the metadata pool it turns out does not report the real size because almost all the data is in the leveldb store, which doesn't get counted in pool stats right now :(
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[19:52] <cmdrk> gregsfortytwo: very useful! thanks. i'll poke around a bit then
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[20:10] <cmdrk> i've got a question about teuthology.. how tightly integrated is it with Ceph? it seems like it might be a nice framework to do general distributed integation testing
[20:12] <gregsfortytwo> it is more tightly integrated with Ceph than we want it to be
[20:12] <gregsfortytwo> but we've tried to make it general and it should be usable
[20:13] <gregsfortytwo> notice the amount of wiggle room there, though ?????you'd probably want to head over to #ceph-devel and ask zackc about it if you're serious
[20:17] <cmdrk> gregsfortytwo: thanks again. on the suface, it seems very suitable for what i want to do. maybe i'll bug zackc about it after i take a stab at setting it up on my own
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[20:21] <gregsfortytwo> heh, you'll probably need help for setup; there is some documentation but I believe it's incomplete
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[20:27] <cmdrk> well, that's half the fun :)
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[20:41] <avib> Is it safe to use writeback caching in KVM guests that are backed by Ceph RBD?
[20:42] <avib> Is there a risk of data loss with cache=writeback and the KVM guest is either windows or linux with an ext3 file systme?
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[23:18] <kklimonda> can single cache pool be used for two other pools?
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