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IRC Log for 2015-04-24

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[0:22] <Kupo2> Hey all, how easy is it to change the public network configuration on a running cluster?
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[0:31] <gregsfortytwo> on the OSDs you just change it and restart them; the monitors you have to actually add new ones on the new IPs and remove the old ones if they need to migrate
[0:33] <lurbs> Although the monitors don't need to be on either the public or cluster networks, so long as they're reachable by clients and the OSDs.
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[0:54] <Kupo2> gregsfortytwo: is there an order of operations that need to be done? monitors first then osd's?
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[0:56] <gregsfortytwo> no, just make sure the networks are routable to each other until you finish the switch
[1:00] <Kupo2> is the public network directive localized to each server? eg if they have seperate /29 ranges for each server i can have that setting different for every node?
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[1:03] <gregsfortytwo> yeah, if you like
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[1:45] <nwat> I'm curious about a performance behavior I'm seeing. I have a client performing reads on a single object in a pg of size 4. As I mark each OSD out in the PG and client resumes, the performance IOPS degrade with each OSD removed and never recovers. I expected the new primary to have the same performance. What am I missing here?
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[2:04] <nwat> hmm, appears like there is some constant amount of work down as a function of the pg size even if the osds are out. shrinking the pg size to reduced number of osds causes the iops to go back to normal.
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[2:33] <gregsfortytwo> nwat: is the PG being backfilled elsewhere to try and bring it up to the right size?
[2:33] <nwat> no, the pgs are completely empty. one object in the whole system.
[2:33] <gregsfortytwo> that's the only thing I can think of
[2:34] <gregsfortytwo> if a PG gets degraded then it'll backfill if there's an opportunity, and the size of the PG log increases, but that's about it
[2:34] <gregsfortytwo> is this replicated or EC?
[2:34] <nwat> gregsfortytwo: i'm running out the door right now. its replicated. i'll send some info later. its really easy to reproduce, but is really counter intuitive.
[2:35] <gregsfortytwo> k
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[9:49] <stalob> how i'm suppose reduce the pg number of a pool ? as when i try i got this erro Error EEXIST: specified pg_num 64 <= current 164
[9:50] <theanalyst> stalob: I don't think you can ever reduce the number of pgs for a pool
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[9:56] <Be-El> hi
[9:58] <stalob> hi
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[10:02] <martin_> Hi, I just read the "Placement groups are computationally expensive, so performance will degrade when you have many pools with many placement groups (e.g., 50 pools with 100 placement groups each)" part of the documentation and now I'm confused. It is planned to create a cluster of >250 OSD's and tons of pools, should we do some other calculations than the suggested osd*100/size? how much of a performance degredation and what type (only on create?) is that?
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[10:14] <loicd> martin_: the performances will be good if the number of PG per OSD are lower than 300. Of course this is not a hard limit: if your machine has fast CPU it may not matter as much. But that's the idea.
[10:15] <loicd> http://ceph.com/docs/master/rados/operations/placement-groups/
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[10:20] <martin_> loicd: that means we have to calculate a global PG Number for all pools to ensure that the OSDs don't get to much of it? (i'm still at the documentation, but it's hard to know what performance degredation means if there is no value and the documentation lacks such informations) - CPU is state of the art Intel E5, at the moment they are chilling but on some ceph work like pg increase load is 100%
[10:21] <T1w> just to make sure..
[10:22] <T1w> it's not possible to change pg_num after a pool has been created?
[10:22] <Be-El> T1w: you can increase it, but not decrease
[10:23] <T1w> Be-El: oh, nice
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[10:23] <T1w> that's nice to know - groth is almost to bed expected
[10:23] <T1w> -d
[10:23] <Be-El> T1w: and you also should change pgp_num
[10:24] <T1w> check
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[12:54] <anorak> Hi all. Question. Once you have successfully mapped a block device on a client and suppose if that client crashed. What would be the procedure to map the same device on another client? Would the new client be aware of the block devices available on the ceph clusters?
[12:57] <Tetard> sounds like an application side issue, not a CEPH issue, no ?
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[13:02] <anorak> Tetard: is your reply directed at my question?
[13:03] <Tetard> yes, sorry - I was wondering - it does depend on what your client application is. If it's a VM hypervisor, you need tome way to track which clients (phys nodes) are using which CEPH devices.
[13:04] <Tetard> but your application may be different, either way it read like it was something that is outside of ceph's scope, but maybe I misunderstood
[13:04] <anorak> Tetard: In case yes. Of course it is not a ceph issue. Perhaps I was not clear. I have mapped a block device (rbd volume) on Server-A by following http://ceph.com/docs/master/start/quick-rbd/
[13:04] <Tetard> ack
[13:04] <anorak> now,let's say that the Server crashed due to hardware etc
[13:05] <anorak> now I would need to map the same rbd volume elsewhere to retrieve the data...right?
[13:06] <anorak> that is where my question comes....what would be the steps I need to map the same rbd volume on Server-B
[13:07] <Tetard> you'd need to have the ceph keys etc. then it would be ceph rbd map... just like on Server-A
[13:07] <Tetard> and in fact two servers could map the same device at the same time - then you'd need to use a filesystem like OCFS2 or similar, but that really all does depend on what you plan to do with the block device
[13:08] <Tetard> note that I am not a CEPH expert, beginner as well :)
[13:08] <anorak> If I got you right...i would need to do the same steps like mentioned in the URL EXCEPT the "rbd create" command...right?
[13:08] <anorak> noted :)
[13:09] <Tetard> es
[13:09] <Tetard> yes
[13:09] <Tetard> but experiment, and let us know :)
[13:09] <anorak> hmm...ok. Fingers crossed!
[13:09] <SpaceDump> ;)
[13:09] <SpaceDump> As I have understood from the docs it's just mapping and mounting you need to do since you have already created it etc.
[13:11] <Tetard> +1
[13:11] <anorak> SpaceDump: Thanks for the confirmation!
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[13:16] <martin_> Hi again, got a strange error: $ ceph version -> Error EINVAL: forward for noforward command - can someone explain me what that is?
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[13:17] <martin_> looks like https://github.com/ceph/ceph/blob/master/src/mon/Monitor.cc line 2626-2630
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[13:20] <martin_>
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[13:31] <stalob> martin_ what you tried to do before gattign this error?
[13:31] <stalob> *getting
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[13:37] <martin_> stalob: nothing, just on my ubuntu shell and issuing ceph version
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[13:38] <martin_> ceph -w and other command are working, can't find a problem at all, just on version he keeps telling me that (random, sometimes its working, sometimes not)
[13:38] <martin_> ceph version 0.94.1 (e4bfad3a3c51054df7e537a724c8d0bf9be972ff)
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[13:39] <stalob> it keep teeling that not matter what command you are using ?
[13:40] <martin_> no, only on version
[13:40] <martin_> all other command seem to work as ususal
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[14:33] <T1w> if I get a controller that can provide hw raid1 and put the os and osd journal partitions on those mirrored ssd's - is that expected to perform resonably if the machine ONLY acts as a ceph node?
[14:33] <T1w> or should I keep OS and osd journal on completely seperate disks?
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[14:49] <m0zes> T1w: unless they are different models of ssds, they'll have similar wear levels and probably die at the same time.
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[14:50] <T1w> m0zes: good point, but I was wondering from a ceph point of view
[14:50] <T1w> regarding performance etc
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[14:51] <T1w> .. and I still prefer to have the first few machine of a new cluster to have mirrored os disks to avoid a failure due to a single bad disk
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[14:51] <m0zes> depends on the raid controller and disks. it should be approximately the same. the journals will be fighting the os a *little* bit for iops, but nothing too severe.
[14:52] <m0zes> we did a software raid1 for the os partition and then split the rest of each ssd up to be journals.
[14:53] <T1w> well.. I that I can live with
[14:53] <T1w> IMO it's better than some random single disk for OS
[14:56] <m0zes> of course, the expected iops only come out of our drives if we have multiple (>8) io intensive threads writing simultaneously.
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[14:56] <T1w> mmm
[14:57] <T1w> good.. then I'm goind for 2x 256GB SSD for os and OSD journal and 2x 3TB for OSD data in each 1U
[14:57] <T1w> going even
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[16:30] <visbits> do i need to murder a prostitute to get a giant to hammer upgrade done?
[16:31] <rkeene> It couldn't hurt.
[16:32] <visbits> hell yea
[16:32] <visbits> lol
[16:32] <visbits> epel is still broken as shit i see
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[16:36] <rkeene> It's cool, ceph.com is also broken
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[16:39] <scuttlemonkey> rkeene: pretty sure we're ok
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[16:41] <rkeene> scuttlemonkey, Ceph.com ? Definitely not. Been busted for days.
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[16:41] <scuttlemonkey> rkeene: we had a couple of high load days that we fixed
[16:41] <scuttlemonkey> seems fine loading it right now
[16:41] <anorak> I would agree with scuttlemonkey
[16:41] <rkeene> Sure, it *LOADS* fine
[16:41] <rkeene> It's just the content is crap
[16:41] <rkeene> http://ceph.com/resources/downloads/
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[16:42] <anorak> rkeene: why not contribute to make it better? :)
[16:42] <rkeene> Big picture of a squid saying "Giant" instead of hammer, "DOWNLOAD HAMMER SOURCE" links to the Giant (0.87.1) source code
[16:42] <rkeene> anorak, I mentioned this yesterday or the day before.
[16:42] <scuttlemonkey> rkeene: ahh, that I can fix
[16:43] <rkeene> It's not new information
[16:43] <scuttlemonkey> feel free to poke me in the future, or hit the mailing list when you see stuff like that
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[16:49] <mtravis> Has anyone setup Ceph at AWS?
[16:49] <mtravis> In terms of using it as a backup location to a primary datacenter.
[16:50] <scuttlemonkey> mtravis: not since bobtail
[16:50] <scuttlemonkey> I used it as my deployment testbed for Juju when that was first getting rolling
[16:51] <mtravis> I'll explain what i'm trying to do.
[16:51] <visbits> aws gag.
[16:53] <mtravis> We have a Ceph cluster running at our datacenter. We want to migrate that data to a Ceph cluster at AWS. What we currently have planned is to add OSDs at AWS to our current cluster (geo-replication) then sever the connection between AWS and our datacenter effectively allowing us to "migrate" to AWS.
[16:53] <visbits> GL with that
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[16:53] <visbits> may as well just schedule downtime
[16:53] <bilco105_> lol
[16:54] <scuttlemonkey> mtravis: I don't know that I would want to run a production workload on amazon virtualized hardware for ceph
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[16:54] <visbits> amazon io is dogshit slow
[16:54] <scuttlemonkey> what you're outlining is definitely a tricky proposition
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[16:56] <scuttlemonkey> mtravis: are you thinking of doing this for one specific use case (like gateway-gateway replication for RGW) or is this a cluster-wide move?
[16:56] <scuttlemonkey> (or rather, is your cluster using other things like RBD/FS)
[16:56] <mtravis> It is using FS.
[16:56] <scuttlemonkey> ok, so you really do want a RADOS-level sync
[16:57] <scuttlemonkey> any particular reason you feel strongly about moving your storage infra to amazon like this?
[16:58] <mtravis> Moving to AWS is a requirement of one of our clients.
[16:58] <scuttlemonkey> interesting
[16:59] <scuttlemonkey> I'm not the guy to get into tech details with...but I might suggest some consulting time from someone who offers it to identify potential hazards and plan it out before you dive in
[16:59] <scuttlemonkey> if that's feasible
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[17:00] <mtravis> We are on a bit of a time crunch ... unfortunately. We've also considered sending snapshots to a cluster at AWS.
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[17:01] <scuttlemonkey> mtravis: at the very least I'd send a note to the lists so the devs don't miss the question
[17:02] <mtravis> Which list should I send this out to? ceph-devel? ceph-community?
[17:02] <scuttlemonkey> sage, sjust, or gregsfortytwo would probably have some good insight
[17:02] <scuttlemonkey> ceph-user
[17:03] <mtravis> Thank you very much!
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[17:04] <scuttlemonkey> no problem, good luck with the move
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[19:05] <visbits> well my giant to hammer upgrade went well
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[19:48] <fattaneh> hi all, i want to install ceph-deploy, so i installed epel (rpm -ivh http://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/...) then i edited /etc/yum.repos.d/epel.repo as follow: i uncommented baseurl and commented mirror list and then i changed all three enable to 1, but when i ran "yum install ceph-deploy " it says no package available.
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[20:11] <alfredodeza> fattaneh: we don't usually recommend getting ceph-deploy from EPEL
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[20:12] <fattaneh> alfredodeza: thanks, so what can i do instead
[20:13] <alfredodeza> fattaneh: the install is described in the docs, but let me get you a link
[20:13] <alfredodeza> one sec
[20:13] <alfredodeza> fattaneh: for RPMs --> http://ceph.com/ceph-deploy/docs/#rpm
[20:14] <fattaneh> alfredodeza: thanks
[20:14] <alfredodeza> fattaneh: but you may want something a bit more granular, in that case, you may want to look at: http://ceph.com/docs/master/start/quick-start-preflight/#red-hat-package-manager-rpm
[20:14] <alfredodeza> let me know if that doesn't work for you
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[20:16] <fattaneh> alfredodeza: thanks for all your helps
[20:16] <alfredodeza> absolutely fattaneh
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