#ceph IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2015-04-21

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[5:39] <dustyw> I'm trying to track down a performance issue. We recently started taking snapshots of RBD images and it seems to be dramatically increasing our load. Is it the snapping that causes the load, or is it just the fact that the snapshots exist? I notice that SnapContext is passed around and it seems to carry with it every snapshot that touches any particular PG.
[5:40] <dustyw> (well, the ID of the snapshot anyway; obviously it doesn't carry around the whole snapshot...)
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[6:03] <dustyw> I think maybe a better question would be: is there such thing as too many snapshots from a performance concern? Would you expect 1000 or even 10000 RBD snapshots to themselves cause a performance issue?
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[10:14] <MaZ-> hmm.. i have a pgmap that changes number of pg's randomly when i run ceph -s, ceph -w always shows the correct number though, any ideas?
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[10:25] <T1w> kralle.. :)
[10:25] <Kralian-1835> T1w: yeah ;)
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[13:49] <stalob> i think i've made an huge mistake, i wanted change my monitor, so i deleted the previous folder containing the mon...but seem i forget to properly remove it from the cluster, so now everytime i try to use a ceph command seem he's trying to communicate with this deleted mon... so i cannot send a command for delete this mon from the cluster ...)
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[14:37] <xcezzz> whats the deal with ceph-deploy disk list never able to actually show the whole list of disks?
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[14:39] <stalob> forgot what i've said at 13:49 , i got error cause i forgot to recreate the monmap file >.>
[14:39] <alfredodeza> xcezzz: that statement sounds vague. It does work for me. What do you see? how doesn't it work for you?
[14:40] <alfredodeza> xcezzz: the only thing that `ceph-deploy disk list {node}` does is to call `ceph-disk list` on whatever remote node you want
[14:40] <alfredodeza> this should be clear from the ceph-deploy output
[14:40] <xcezzz> http://pastebin.com/2xidAuqR
[14:40] <xcezzz> you see how it cut off sdl
[14:40] <xcezzz> sometimes if i run it again it will list more
[14:40] <xcezzz> sometimes thats all i get
[14:41] <xcezzz> its not a big deal??? just an extra step ocasionally
[14:41] <xcezzz> its like it doesnt wait for the actual exit of command and output it.. like it streams it and then times out too quickly
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[14:43] <alfredodeza> xcezzz: that output looks odd. Did you add the dots in between lines?
[14:43] <xcezzz> oh no??? lol stupid byobu
[14:44] <alfredodeza> mind pasting the command from the beginning as well?
[14:44] <xcezzz> its like tmux/screen??? another session is logged in
[14:44] <xcezzz> i am gonna do a few times.. because it just now listed half of it
[14:45] <alfredodeza> xcezzz: well, all ceph-deploy is doing, like I mentioned, is calling `ceph-disk list` on a remote node
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[14:45] <alfredodeza> maybe try that
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[14:46] <xcezzz> http://pastebin.com/J30hL0Bw
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[14:46] <xcezzz> same cmd ran twice
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[14:46] <xcezzz> first time it showed all data except the last line for sdg's journal
[14:46] <xcezzz> the second cmd borked at sdf
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[14:47] <alfredodeza> xcezzz: what happens if you ran `sudo /usr/sbin/ceph-disk list` on titan2
[14:47] <xcezzz> i always get full output
[14:48] <xcezzz> ahh nvm i just found it on issues
[14:48] <alfredodeza> ?
[14:48] <alfredodeza> xcezzz: what do you mean you just found it
[14:48] <xcezzz> http://tracker.ceph.com/issues/11347
[14:49] <alfredodeza> wow
[14:49] * alfredodeza looks
[14:50] <xcezzz> before i said anything here i googled for anyone else having issue but couldn't find any??? went to try to post to issues and it was right there
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[15:01] <kodiakfff> hey folks, can someone please let me know, or kindly point toward docs, that show how you can use ceph for live migration in openstack? Currently use use NFS for /var/lib/nova/instances and it's always flaking out
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[15:52] <ktdreyer> debian112: are you able to update your CentOS system to Hammer? the packaging issue affects Giant and Firefly
[15:53] <debian112> ktdreyer: just firefly
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[15:53] <debian112> from 80.8 to 80.9
[15:54] <debian112> I tried on a fresh install, and I get the same thing
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[15:56] <debian112> I think we going to dropped Centos and use ubuntu. Although I am not a fan of it. I'm to scary to have this kind of problems. I am testing with ubuntu now
[15:56] <ktdreyer> debian112: it's issue 11104
[15:56] <kraken> ktdreyer might be talking about http://tracker.ceph.com/issues/11104 [dependency problem with Ceph "Giant" upstream and EPEL]
[15:56] <ktdreyer> can you try "yum update --disablerepo=epel --enablerepo=epel-testing" ?
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[15:57] <debian112> yup that is the same thing I get
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[15:58] <debian112> even disabling epel didn't help
[15:58] <ktdreyer> If "--disablerepo=epel --enablerepo=epel-testing" doesn't work, can you try "yum update -x python-rados -x python-rbd" ?
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[16:00] <debian112> ok I have not tried the epel-testing
[16:00] <debian112> let me try it
[16:00] <debian112> give me 10 mins
[16:00] <debian112> brb
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[16:48] <kodiakfff> anyone have partitioning recommendations for monitors and OSDs? I'm working through the quick start but really they are just like "bring up some hosts, then run ceph deploy etc", they don't get into the nitty gritty about what sorts of service partitions might be needed by ceph (eg /var/lib/ceph etc)
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[16:51] <xcezzz> well unless you want to complicate it??? swap = 1.5x mem and / rest of drive
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[16:52] <xcezzz> but thats the easiest way to handle a ks if you have a chance of different system drive sizes
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[16:53] <xcezzz> i just dont see a point in fixing a limit in size on a mountpoint like var or home
[16:54] <xcezzz> ssh monitor1 du -sh /var/lib/ceph ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
[16:54] <xcezzz> 177M /var/lib/ceph
[16:55] <xcezzz> root@titan1:~# du -shx /var/lib/ceph ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
[16:55] <xcezzz> 36K /var/lib/ceph
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[18:27] <zimboboyd> We have a problem on Cephfs we have a directory which can not be deleted "rm: cannot remove 'egroupware.old': Directory not empty"
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[18:28] <zimboboyd> And: "node5 mserver # ls -l egroupware.old/: ls: cannot access egroupware.old/header.inc.php: No such file or directory : l????????? ? ? ? ? ? header.inc.php"
[18:28] <zimboboyd> Anything we can to to check the cephfs?
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[21:26] <kysse> how should I calculate the amount of disk space I get with three machines 10x 1tb each with 2 level replication?
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[21:28] <m0zes> kysse: (3*10*1)/2 should be a *decent* estimate
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[21:29] <kysse> ok
[21:30] <m0zes> you'll lose a small amount for the journals for the osds, and the osds will stop allowing writes at a certain fullness point (85% by default iirc)
[21:31] <kysse> well, I'm going to use ssd's for journals, like one ssd per 5 osds
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[21:32] <kysse> aand if I replace those 1tb disks with 2tb disks, then its not recommended to use only 3 nodes if I understood correctly?
[21:33] <kysse> because of repairing when one node fails
[21:34] <kysse> ofc i'm going to use 10g nics
[21:34] <m0zes> repairing can take a while in a case like that. my cluster takes ~48 hours to rebuild a full node (75TB)
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[21:36] <kysse> what is the purpose of your cluster, disks for vms? if so how many vms you are running and what setup you are using to achieve 75TB
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[21:37] <m0zes> cephfs for home dirs and hadoop. some smaller usage for vm disks
[21:37] <kysse> ah ok
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[21:39] <m0zes> we've got 24x dell r730xd nodes with 12x 6TB and 4x 4TB drives, and 2x 480GB SSDs, with 40Gb Ethernet with support for RoCE (when rdma is better supported)
[21:40] <kysse> ok, pretty big drives you got there
[21:42] <m0zes> yeah, but we're running an erasure coded pool (k=8, m=4) for the spinning disks. makes it so that as long as 3/4 of the cluster is up we can rebuild anything.
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[21:49] <m0zes> really, half is all that is needed to be up, but 1/4 is the maximum we'd ever want down at any single point in time.
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[21:51] <kysse> yeap yeap. anyhow i'm seeking for a reliable and high performance setup for vms, so if anyone has any recommendations for me please tell.
[21:52] <kysse> maybe at first with spinning disks, ssds are so freaking expensive
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[21:53] <SpaceDump> I'm thinking about building a small solution, consisting of three servers with 3x1TB sata in each together with 1 SSD in each for journals.
[21:53] <SpaceDump> I hope it will be good enough performance wise for me to start with.
[21:54] <SpaceDump> Unfortunately because of economics I will also have to run a couple of kvm hosts on top of the same servers until I have moved my blades to a new data center, but that's only temporary, with a bit of luck the performace penalty won't be that high.
[21:54] <xcezzz> SpaceDump: how much memory?
[21:54] <SpaceDump> 64GB in each of the servers is the plan.
[21:54] <xcezzz> and network?
[21:54] <SpaceDump> Unfortunately only 1Gbit.
[21:55] <xcezzz> recovery of any sort is gonna be your biggest hit
[21:55] <SpaceDump> I suppose so yes.
[21:56] <SpaceDump> The plan is to only have kvm hosts on them for a month or so. But, I know how it usually goes, months gets to quarters and then years.... :p
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[21:59] <xcezzz> kvm will use rbd?
[21:59] <SpaceDump> Ye.s.
[21:59] <SpaceDump> Looks promising. :]
[21:59] <xcezzz> it is ;-)
[21:59] <xcezzz> but read up on running osd's off the same host as rbd maps??? supposedly deadlocks??? cant find where i read that though
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[22:00] <SpaceDump> Yeah. I've seen something about that but can't remember where. :/
[22:01] <xcezzz> http://tracker.ceph.com/issues/3076
[22:01] <SpaceDump> Just found it. >D
[22:01] <SpaceDump> :D
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[22:02] <xcezzz> apparently a friend has a small size 2 cluster running on some proxmox boxes??? but your mileage may vary
[22:03] <m0zes> looks like it is only the kernel interfaces that have the issue, though. if you use librbd built into newer versions of qemu/kvm you should be fine.
[22:03] <m0zes> keyword: should
[22:03] <xcezzz> interesting
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[22:04] <SpaceDump> I will know in a little more then a month... :D
[22:04] <m0zes> basically swapping in kernelspace is difficult/impossible. swapping in userspace is by design.
[22:05] <SpaceDump> Sounds very logical.
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[22:28] <bearkitten> hi guys, trying to figure out how to get rid of some stuck placement groups. I already did the ceph osd lost X
[22:28] <bearkitten> they are still persisting
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[22:38] <bstillwell> Is there a good way to break down the amount of reads/writes/ops going to each rbd volume?
[22:38] <bstillwell> Need to find a heavy user...
[22:39] <xcezzz> iostat -xt on the rbd clients?
[22:40] <xcezzz> bearkitten: what is the actual status of the 'stuck' pgs
[22:40] <bstillwell> I don't have access to the VMs
[22:40] <bstillwell> Unless I can run again libvirt
[22:40] <bearkitten> xcezzz: stale+active+clean
[22:41] <bearkitten> xcezzz: i am unable to pg query them
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[22:43] <xcezzz> does pg query just hang?
[22:44] <bearkitten> xcezzz: it does not hang it Error ENOENT: i don't have pgid 17.c8
[22:44] <xcezzz> thats what ceph pg dump lists it as?
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[22:44] <bstillwell> According to 'ceph osd pool stats' it's an rbd volume in the 'volumes' pool.
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[22:46] <xcezzz> bstillwell: i am not too familiar with looking up specific images on rbd and client/io
[22:46] <bearkitten> xcezzz: ceph pg dump_stuck stale
[22:46] <xcezzz> bstillwell: you have any sorta network monitor like observium or cacti?
[22:46] <bearkitten> xcezzz: is what i used to get the pg numbers
[22:47] <xcezzz> bearkitten: have you tried restarting the osd daemons listed as the acting set?
[22:47] <bstillwell> xcezzz: Sadly, not right now. I could probably find the compute node(s?) contributing to the load though.
[22:47] <xcezzz> bearkitten: also what is pool size?
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[22:48] <xcezzz> bstillwell: what is the vm platform?
[22:48] <bearkitten> xcezzz: kvm / what do you mean by size? osd's or Space
[22:49] <xcezzz> bearkitten: replicas/copies/pool size??? by default it is 3??? unless you make it something different
[22:49] <bearkitten> 2
[22:49] <bstillwell> xcezzz: openstack w/ kvm
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[22:50] <xcezzz> bearkitten: have you tried pg repair? or force_create_pg?
[22:50] <bstillwell> Just came across this script which is kind of interesting:
[22:50] <bstillwell> https://github.com/cernceph/ceph-scripts/blob/master/tools/rbd-io-stats.pl
[22:51] <xcezzz> ooh interesting
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[22:59] <bearkitten> xcezzz: no, pg repair would be same error i would thing
[22:59] <bearkitten> since the pg is missing
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