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IRC Log for 2015-04-20

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[7:08] <Vivek> How do I see space utilization in ceph in real time ?
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[7:15] <Nats_> use command: ceph df
[7:16] <lurbs> Or, if you're running Hammer, 'ceph osd df' for per-OSD data.
[7:17] <lurbs> In either case I'd recommend using '--format json-pretty' if you're going to be parsing it.
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[7:33] <Vivek> Nats_: is that real time ?
[7:34] <Nats_> vivek, i have no reason to believe otherwise
[7:34] <Vivek> Because I create a vm on a datastore and then delete it I can see the used value increasing but not decreasing after I delete the vm
[7:34] <Vivek> datastore mapped to a rbd block device in ceph.
[7:34] <Vivek> Nats_: ping
[7:35] <Nats_> i have not observed that myself. when i delete rbd images, the used space as reported by 'ceph df' goes down immediately
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[7:36] <Vivek> ppmuser@ppm-c240-ceph4:~$ ceph df
[7:36] <Vivek> GLOBAL:
[7:36] <Vivek> SIZE AVAIL RAW USED %RAW USED
[7:36] <Vivek> 74469G 74453G 16461M 0.02
[7:36] <Vivek> POOLS:
[7:36] <Vivek> NAME ID USED %USED MAX AVAIL OBJECTS
[7:36] <Vivek> rbd 2 5383M 0 24817G 1407
[7:36] <Vivek> ppmuser@ppm-c240-ceph4:~$
[7:37] <Vivek> That's my ceph df
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[7:37] <Vivek> The Used will increase if i create a vm and then the value does not immedeatly show as reduced, if I delete the vm.
[7:39] <Nats_> one would guess, the disk is not being deleted by whatever you are deleting the vm with
[7:40] <Nats_> you may like to use 'rbd ls' to confirm that for yourself
[7:40] <Vivek> I am using a standalone esxi host to do create the vms and delete the vms.
[7:40] <Vivek> The exsxi host has it's datastore pointing to the ceph cluster.
[7:41] <Nats_> am i right in assuming esxi does not actually support ceph
[7:41] <Vivek> the esxi host is an iscsi initiator and the ceph is the iscsci target.
[7:41] <Vivek> Yes, officially it does not support.
[7:41] <Nats_> yep, so your observation is exactly right
[7:42] <Vivek> oK.
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[7:42] <Vivek> You mean to say the data is not deleted ?
[7:42] <Nats_> probably
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[7:43] <m0zes> is each vm getting its own rbd image?
[7:43] <Nats_> i've never used iscsi with ceph, but i would guess what you are describing is similar to SSD "trim" issue
[7:43] <m0zes> that would be my bet as well.
[7:43] <Nats_> ceph doesn't know the space is no longer used, so it will just sit there allocated but unused
[7:44] <Nats_> but esxi does, so it will just overwrite that space next time
[7:44] <Vivek> What is the solution to this problem ?
[7:44] * m0zes really wishes trim was supported with qemu's virtio-blk
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[7:44] <Nats_> there probably is none
[7:45] <Vivek> My client wants vcenter integrated with ceph which means that when vms are launched in a esxi host cluster or via the vcenter, it should use the ceph as the backend.
[7:46] <Vivek> Instead of iscsci can I use firechannel and fibrechannel over ethernet ?
[7:46] <Vivek> Does Ceph support FC and FCoE ?
[7:46] <m0zes> you'd need to dig throught the iscsi initiator and targets to make sure they support trim ('discard' ioctl?) and make sure that it is passing that ioctl all the way up the chain.
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[7:47] <Vivek> Ok.
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[7:47] <Vivek> But does Ceph support FC and FCoE ?
[7:47] <m0zes> and if the guest is getting a individual rbd image, you need to make sure the virtual disk controller and virtual disk driver supports it as well.
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[7:48] <Vivek> It is just an rbd block device which is exported as iqn.x.y.x
[7:49] <Vivek> It is a single rbd block device in my case of 10 TB.
[7:49] <m0zes> I'm willing to bet the guest will need to support it, too, then.
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[7:50] <m0zes> and if it does support it, you may need to run the fstrim command (or whatever the guest os equivalent is) or make sure the fs is mounted with the discard option (linux)
[7:50] <Vivek> https://www.hastexo.com/resources/hints-and-kinks/turning-ceph-rbd-images-san-storage-devices
[7:50] <Vivek> I am following this doc.
[7:51] <Vivek> Are these steps ok to follow ?
[7:52] * m0zes doesn't know.
[7:52] <Vivek> Another thing I want to know is that can I use FC and FcoE instead of iSCSCI ?
[7:52] <m0zes> I'm mostly using the cephfs interface, and has some qemu based vms.
[7:52] <Vivek> Ok.
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[7:54] <m0zes> you would need a tool that could convert the rados/rbd api into FC/FCoE. (some other piece of software most likely)
[7:57] <Vivek> Does the exist any such software ?
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[16:23] <raw_> i have two rulesets, one for ssd and one for sata. on the ssd pool there are 3 osds and replicas=3. today i had to replace one of the ssds, so i removed the osd, recreated it, updated the crush map so it contains the ssd osd.
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[16:25] <raw_> my pgs are all in active+undersized+degraded state and are not recovering. crushtool --show-bad-mappings tells me it only finds the old two osds.
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[16:26] <stalob> same
[16:26] <stalob> stale+undersized+degraded+peered
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[16:28] <raw_> my crush map is here: http://pastebin.com/gP5wDfTB. i have recycled the device 4 line for my new osd. is that a bad idea?
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[16:30] <raw_> osd.4 is the one that i have recreated, and it gets no data.
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[16:34] <raw_> ah, damn. as you can see in my crush map, the ssd root hat ci1-ssh with 0.000 weight. i had to turn it up to 2 and my cluster is now recovering :)
[16:34] <raw_> stalob, what happend?
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[17:23] <fxmulder> I had to recreate one of my osds after disk failure, I followed http://ceph.com/docs/master/rados/operations/add-or-rm-osds/ to remove and readd the osd but after readding the osd ceph status still just shows one osd
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[17:26] <raw_> anyone has expirience running ceph on btrfs for more than 6 months or so? for me it performed well at the beginning and ended now with crawling slow write speeds around 30mb/s on a ssd.
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[17:27] <raw_> ssd 50% was 50% full.
[17:27] <raw_> now i have reformatted all ssds and speed is back.
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[17:31] <joelm> raw_: do you have trim enabled?
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[17:34] <raw_> joelm, yes, and the ssd option
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[17:34] <raw_> also trimmed the fs manually without any effect.
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[17:48] <cholcombe> I saw on the arch linux page that there's a way to reset the ssd cells to the original speed?
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[19:56] <litwol> Hello.
[19:56] <litwol> Could some one with experience please comment on ceph's resilience to network unreliability?
[19:57] <litwol> i would like to draw a parallel between ceph distributed storage to something like "distributed databases" such as master-master replication
[19:57] <Sysadmin88> you can build networks to be reliable :)
[19:58] <litwol> databases are plagued with replication troubles. even minor network hiccups cause db cluster to split up and unable to rejoin the whole on its own without manual intervention.
[19:58] <litwol> most recent negative experience i have is with galera cluster.
[19:59] <litwol> i'm wondering if some one can draw a comparison between ceph and master-master db scenario
[19:59] <Sysadmin88> it depends how you plan your network, how much failure at once you want to tolerate
[20:00] <litwol> what are the options?
[20:00] <Sysadmin88> got the budget to call inktank and get a 'proper' setup?
[20:04] <litwol> ha. no no. i am inquiring for personal interest.
[20:04] <litwol> "i'm curious"
[20:04] <Sysadmin88> ceph can self heal to recover from failure. it depends how big the failure it if the cluster can carry on
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[20:04] <Sysadmin88> iirc ceph stops delviering IO before it stops protecting data
[20:04] * litwol nods. i've read that last night.
[20:04] <litwol> different topic question:
[20:04] <litwol> fyi i have 0 experience about this.
[20:04] <Sysadmin88> you need to plan for failure when you build your cluster
[20:04] <litwol> i would like to run a stress test on cephfs and snapshot/recovery functionality
[20:04] <Sysadmin88> ceph is more than just cephfs
[20:04] <litwol> what size of a cluster would make this test meaningful/interesting enough to be published back to ceph community ?
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[20:04] <litwol> better yet, what kind of test would make the data useful
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[20:05] <litwol> would a one week long stress test on a 3 node/12 osd "cluster" be meaningful/interesting?
[20:05] <litwol> it would it need to be an order of magnitude bigger?
[20:06] <Sysadmin88> probably depends what your testing
[20:06] <litwol> data integrity
[20:06] <litwol> write, read, checksum
[20:07] <litwol> randomly cycle nodes offline during the load
[20:07] <litwol> etc
[20:09] <litwol> cephfs snapshot functionality is advertised as unstable
[20:10] <litwol> i'm of interest to test it.
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[21:16] <bearkitten> hi, anyone can help me fix this :) https://bpaste.net/show/e787d0f2c6d4
[21:16] <bearkitten> happened after upgrade to .94.1
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[22:44] <debian112> anyone having rpm dependency problems with Centos 7
[22:44] <debian112> ?
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[22:45] <debian112> http://paste.debian.net/167905/
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[22:50] <debian112> package maintainer oversite.
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