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IRC Log for 2015-04-10

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[2:08] <flaf> Hi,
[2:09] <flaf> Is it possible to choose the id of an OSD during its creation with Hammer?
[2:09] <flaf> I know it's impossible with Firefly but I thought that it was possible with Hammer.
[2:10] <flaf> I'm sure to have seen that in the ceph-users ML but I can't found the message.
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[2:36] <sage> flaf: there is a pull request in flight to add this but it isn't merged yet.
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[2:36] <flaf> Ah ok. No problem. Thx sage. ;)
[2:38] <lurbs> Is there any way to control or throttle the garbage collection/deletion of objects that happens after a pool is removed?
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[5:51] <dgbaley27> Hi. I'm assembling some new hardware. How important are SSD journals with a writeback SSD cache tier?
[5:56] * m0zes works with the person who reported ""protocol feature mismatch" after upgrading to Hammer" on the mailing list this morning. thanks for the quick work all who were involved in tracking down this bug.
[5:56] <dgbaley27> Also, in general, when are writes returned to the client? I don't feel like I'm clear on this after reading the docs. Is it { client write -> primary journal -> (secondary journal || tertiary journal) -> ack to client }... Or are there no parallel writes, and/or blocking until writes to osd filesystem?
[5:57] <m0zes> we removed the room and rack definitions in our crushmap and now cephfs is working again without upgrading to the gitbuilder release of hammer.
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[6:12] <jclm> dgbaley27: Client gets ACK when all journal have been written to
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[6:17] <dgbaley27> And does the primary OSD dispatch to the replicas in parallel or series?
[6:19] <dgbaley27> I can find a lot of discussion basically suggesting journal vs writeback cache is inconclusive. But conceptually it seems like caching is nicer because it aids reads as well and would have the same speedup for writes.
[6:20] <dgbaley27> However I like the bcache suggestions (save for apparently bcache not working with btrfs) because my cluster would have PCIe SSDs on every OSD machine so I think doing the caching over the network would just add unnecessary complexity.
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[9:30] <achieva> hi
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[9:53] <Be-El> hi
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[10:14] <achieva> Does ceph(firefly) with single node fully support 4KB random write benchmark?
[10:14] <achieva> When I use fio, osd daemon always goes down... orz
[10:15] <achieva> any idea? or previous discussed mail thread?
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[10:47] <frickler> anyone know what the issue is with http://ceph.com? http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ceph.com says it not just me ;)
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[10:49] <Tetard> maybe they have storage issues :D
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[11:06] <frickler> or is was struck by a hammer ;)
[11:06] <frickler> looks like inktank.com is also affected
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[11:43] <Diablo-D3> I feel silly asking this question, but where does ceph normally store the data for rados?
[11:44] <Diablo-D3> Ive never used ceph before, but I have a customer whos interested in testing it out as a possible solution for what hes doing
[11:45] <Diablo-D3> I thought it used a raw partition, but it seems like it needs a normal fs underneath?
[11:46] <joelm> Normal FS (XFS, Btrfs or Ext4)
[11:46] <joelm> but as objects, not necessarily the data
[11:46] <Diablo-D3> does it require its own, or does putting it in root work?
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[11:47] <joelm> you map up OSD's - generally a drive to /var/lib/ceph/osd-N (or whereever, but that's fairly default)
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[11:47] <joelm> that has a filesystem on it that the objects are stored
[11:48] <joelm> and depending on if you're using a journal on disk then that too
[11:48] <joelm> journals can be split to other(generally faster IOPS) devices like SSDs
[11:48] * joelm just uses plain spinning disk, but recovery generally longer
[11:48] <joelm> it's all documented btw :)
[11:49] <Diablo-D3> well, I have a debian install profile that looks like md raid 1 xfs 8gb root + swap in lvm, then the rest of the drive unpartitioned
[11:49] <Diablo-D3> would that be the optimal starting point for this?
[11:49] <Diablo-D3> so they could just partition the rest of the drives for ceph usage?
[11:50] <joelm> not really, if you're testing, I'd perhaps look to try to use plain disks
[11:50] <joelm> you could use paths to create OSDs of course, or use a vagrant setup (or whetaver) to test
[11:50] <Diablo-D3> the lvm isnt whole disk, just enough to cover root + swap
[11:51] <joelm> in production you want to really use a drive dedicated to each OSD
[11:51] <Diablo-D3> the 8gb root is just there to actually boot the machine
[11:51] <joelm> how many machines?
[11:51] <Diablo-D3> however many the customer ends up needing
[11:51] <joelm> yea, I think you need to test this first :)
[11:52] <Diablo-D3> well, I know ceph doesn't want to be in the md raid nor the lvm
[11:52] <Diablo-D3> but the box only has (and only will ever have) 2 drives in it
[11:52] <joelm> ok, well you could use paths - it's not something I've done tbh
[11:52] <joelm> (rather than using drives specifically)
[11:53] <Diablo-D3> well, if it requires a backing filesystem
[11:53] <joelm> I think there may be dragons :)
[11:53] <Diablo-D3> does ceph spawn the fs itself, or do you still have to?
[11:53] <joelm> depends, if you use ceph-deploy that'll mostly do all the prep
[11:53] <joelm> but can do manually too, just lots more work. I'd look at ceph-deploy first
[11:53] <Diablo-D3> because like, with zfs, you can either give it entire raw unpartitioned drives or just partitions on a partitioned drive
[11:54] <Diablo-D3> its happy with either
[11:54] <Diablo-D3> but zfs is also an actual fs
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[11:57] <Diablo-D3> joelm: you said theres a manual? can you link to it? google gives me many links to ceph manual pages, but none are quite the one I want
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[11:58] <joelm> I would if the ceph site were working for me atm
[11:58] <Diablo-D3> yeah whats been with the internet this morning
[11:59] * Diablo-D3 blames level 3 and/or cogent
[11:59] <joelm> needs more hamsters
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[12:00] <Diablo-D3> I don't think Richard Gere needs anymore.
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[12:43] <T1w> hmpf.. ceph.com seems down
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[13:31] <frickler> T1w: seems to have been restored right now
[13:33] <T1w> thx
[13:35] * frickler still assumes that someone has beeing doing bad with some kind of hammer there :D
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[13:45] <joelm> can you pass multiple monitors in fstab for cephfs - or some other way to loadbalance/rr the monitors? (happy to roll out haproxy but makes more sense native support)
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[13:46] <joelm> ahh, yea
[13:46] <joelm> mount.ceph monaddr1[,monaddr2,...]:/[subdir] dir [ -o options ]
[13:46] <joelm> so I guess that can go in fstab
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[13:49] <joelm> actually, will it RR those mon addrs? or just pick the first? Do I need to randomize?
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[15:22] <flaf> Hi, :)
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[15:24] <flaf> Is it possible to store videos in ceph and have an "streaming" access to these video?
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[15:24] <flaf> Is there some docs about that?
[15:24] <flaf> Maybe a specific ceph client is needed for that?
[15:26] <flaf> Has someone already used Ceph for video streaming?
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[15:43] <flaf> In fact, my question is precisely: does it exist already ceph clients suitable for streaming? I suppose that radosgw is not suitable for streaming access, but maybe I'm wrong.
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[16:05] <devicenull> so, why is the syntax for 'ceph pg 3.1 query' like that
[16:05] <devicenull> whereas every other pg command is
[16:05] <devicenull> 'ceph pg repair 3.1'
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[16:28] <joelm> flaf: I've stored multi GB .ts transport streams in Ceph
[16:28] <joelm> via radosgw
[16:28] * via radosgw
[16:28] <joelm> you need to do multipart and chunking of course
[16:29] <flaf> Ah, so it's possible to stream with radosgw?
[16:29] <joelm> depends on your definition of stream and what the client-side access is I suppose :)
[16:30] <joelm> but yea, it should be perfectly feasible
[16:30] <flaf> The final client is a browser (someone that watch a video via http).
[16:31] <joelm> Should be able to serve them via http and stream, can't see why not
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[16:32] <joelm> have you tried to generate object download urls and load in VLC or something?
[16:32] * joelm use case was testing uploads really
[16:32] <flaf> For instance, if the client want to watch the last minute of the video, the radosgw must download just the last minute (not all the video etc).
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[16:33] <flaf> joelm: not yet but I will. :)
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[16:35] <flaf> I thought that radosgw will download all the video before ack the client. But you're right, it's better to make a vlc test first. ;)
[16:36] <devicenull> so, I have an OSD that's been offline for a long time.. it seems to have a very old OSD map (it's on 006306, rest of the cluster is 33072)
[16:36] <devicenull> is there a good way to fix this, or should I just nuke the drive and start again?
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[16:37] <devicenull> hmm actually nm, those numbers dont mean what I thought
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[16:40] <flaf> devicenull: sorry, I have no idea for your problem but how do you know the osd map version used by a specific osd?
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[16:40] <devicenull> no, I dont
[16:40] <devicenull> like I said, the numbers dont mean what i thought
[16:41] <joelm> flaf: it should be the same as any other http based stuff, should be able to seek to any place in the media (I assume it uses some 200 contiune style HTTP verbage, but not quite sure)
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[16:44] <flaf> joelm: you're certainly right. Currently, all is not really clear in my head. :)
[16:45] <flaf> I'm not very video-streaming-aware in fact. ;)
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[16:46] * joelm works for a media company :)
[16:46] <flaf> Ah ah, ok. I see. :)
[16:47] <joelm> I think it'll work fine tbh, using VLC and an s3/rados backed http object url
[16:47] <joelm> in fact, I'm going to test when I get a chance :)
[16:48] <flaf> In fact, the best video-streaming-aware sysadmin would be probably sysadmin in YouPorn compagny or something like that. I'll do some research... :))
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[16:49] <flaf> ah ah :)
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[20:19] <qhartman> I have some ceph volumes (for openstack VMs) that I can't delete because they have watchers on them
[20:20] <qhartman> The Vms that were using them have been deleted, and I don't see anything mapped on the node that is reported as watching them
[20:20] <qhartman> Is there anything I can do to clean this up, short of rebooting things?
[20:20] <qhartman> Googling has revealed a large-ish handful of people who have gotten into this situation, but no resolutions.
[20:21] <joshd> qhartman: shouldn't need any reboots. if nothing is actually using them, the watches will timeout in 30s
[20:22] <qhartman> it's been hours since the VMs were shut down
[20:22] <qhartman> I wonder if they didn't actually die....
[20:23] <qhartman> aha yeah, they didn't actually go away, even though openstack says they're gone
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[20:23] <qhartman> cool, now I was able to nuke
[20:24] <joshd> glad to hear it
[20:24] <joshd> I think most reports of this are due to something like this, with the vm not being managed properly by something
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[20:25] <qhartman> right, makes sense.
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[22:18] <championofcyrodi> any reason why ceph downloads through radosgw are like 30Mbps, while my uploads are 120Mbps?
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