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IRC Log for 2015-02-14

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[2:16] <immesys> It occurs to me that I should try the leveldb storage for my workload
[2:16] <immesys> where can I find some documantation for that?
[2:16] <immesys> It's hard to google...
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[2:24] <immesys> how do I use leveldb?
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[2:54] <ohnomrbill> immesys: http://dblab.cs.toronto.edu/courses/443/2014/tutorials/leveldb.html
[2:55] <immesys> haha :-)
[2:55] <immesys> I meant as an OSD store
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[3:00] <ohnomrbill> immesys: on Dumpling?
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[3:02] <immesys> giant
[3:04] <ohnomrbill> immesys: Then I am either confused or deranged. Note: either is entirely possible. http://ceph.com/uncategorized/v0-87-giant-released/
[3:05] <immesys> I might be either or both as well. I was under the impression that I could enable leveldb as an object store which might benefit my workload (millions of ~60 kb objects)
[3:06] <immesys> It's not well documented though
[3:06] <immesys> which might translate as "don't dream of using this if you are not a developer"
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[3:21] <dmick> http://ceph.com/docs/master/release-notes/ "experimental"
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[3:23] <dmick> and I suspect the text is actually 'features', not 'featuers'
[3:24] <dmick> I've never tried it; not sure how hard it may be
[3:37] <immesys> yeeeaaahh with a warning like that I am not so sure I want to use it anymore
[3:37] <immesys> also ceph-deploy is installing 0.87, so I guess the newer versions are not considered stable? or something
[3:42] <SPACESHIP> what new vesion?
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[3:43] <SPACESHIP> only 0.80.x (Firefly) and 0.87.x (Giant) are the recent stable versions
[3:43] <SPACESHIP> the other versions are unstable rc of whatever
[3:43] <immesys> dmick had referenced release notes for 0.92 which is, as you say, not a stable release
[3:44] <SPACESHIP> ahh, no leveldb has always been expermental
[3:45] <SPACESHIP> the just changed the tunable to enable it to make it more obvious
[3:45] <immesys> how experimental is experimental... should I not even consider trying it?
[3:46] <immesys> all my data has backups, but I don't really like restoring from backups that much
[3:47] <SPACESHIP> read the mailing lists for issues
[3:47] <SPACESHIP> IIRC its mostly performance and replication issues
[3:49] <SPACESHIP> worth playing with anyways
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[3:49] <SPACESHIP> but not in prod, unless you love bleeding edge
[3:50] <immesys> :/
[3:50] <immesys> I'm trying to fix a problem I have in prod where I am killing XFS with my millions of tiny objects
[3:50] <immesys> was hoping leveldb would fix that
[3:50] <SPACESHIP> cephfs, rados, rdgw or rbd?
[3:50] <immesys> rados
[3:51] <SPACESHIP> killing how?
[3:51] <immesys> well I fragmented my free space on my cache OSDs to the point where I couldn't allocate inodes
[3:51] <immesys> at 50% capacity
[3:52] <joshd> if you're using librados, you might want to try the omap api, which stores things in leveldb key/value pairs associated with an object (without using anything experimental)
[3:52] <immesys> hmm...
[3:53] <immesys> so the objects themselves are empty?
[3:53] <joshd> yeah
[3:53] <immesys> worth a try
[3:53] <joshd> or you could put larger things in them if you want
[3:53] <immesys> everything is less than 70kb
[3:54] <joshd> yeah, should be fine with omap
[3:54] <immesys> thanks though, I'll hack that up and leave it on QA overnight and see what happens
[3:57] <immesys> where can I find good librados C documentation?
[3:57] <immesys> seems like most of the API is missing from http://ceph.com/docs/master/rados/api/librados/#api-calls
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[4:03] <joshd> in the header directly - unfortunately the tool that puts it into sphinx docs doesn't handle everything there
[4:06] <joshd> you can see some examples in the tests: https://github.com/ceph/ceph/blob/giant/src/test/librados/c_read_operations.cc#L417
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[4:08] <immesys> cool
[4:09] <immesys> I laugh, that's what I tell people about my APIs... "oh you can read the tests" ...
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[4:13] <joshd> the c interface was just hooked up in giant, so the only other user I know of is the haskell bindings
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[5:21] <SPACESHIP> wow, the perfomance cost on a snap when writing to an old (allocated before snap) block is high
[5:21] <SPACESHIP> 1600-2000 sync iops on krbd in unallocated space
[5:22] <SPACESHIP> 20-50 iops on first write to an allocated pre-snap block
[5:23] <SPACESHIP> 2nd, 3rd, etc writes are back to full speed
[5:23] <SPACESHIP> but that first cow read-modify-write write is a doosey
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[7:29] <seapasul1i> ceph seems down
[7:29] <seapasul1i> ceph.com* seems down
[7:29] <seapasul1i> "It's not just you! http://ceph.com looks down from here."
[7:30] <seapasul1i> SPACESHIP: what are you using to poll iops data, just curious.
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[10:58] <derjohn_mob> SPACESHIP, http://tracker.ceph.com/issues/10823#change-47780
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[11:00] <derjohn_mob> SPACESHIP, I think that's the same observation. Won't fix ceph sys. That's ugly. What I don't get is, that in out case 50 IOPS multiply to ~300 IOPS with a single snapshot. My calc says it should be factor 2-3.
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[12:25] <bd> Err http://ceph.com wheezy Release.gpg Connection failed
[12:37] <bd> holy ****, 27 hops.
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[15:56] <Rogero> Hi all
[15:56] <Rogero> I need a little guidance to get my RadosGW up and running, as it gives me weird error
[15:57] <Rogero> this is what I get
[15:57] <Rogero> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/d8f63e202afe530f7698
[15:58] <Rogero> can anyone tell me what does this error: 0 ERROR: FCGX_Accept_r returned -9 , refer to?
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[16:18] <Rogero> anyone can help??
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[17:01] <Rogero> bump!
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[23:59] <immesys> Does anyone know offhand what the allowed characters in a rados object id are?
[23:59] <immesys> I am using the C librados API

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