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IRC Log for 2014-08-28

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[0:26] <_slo> Using Ceph RadosGW as a Swift backend (https://github.com/enovance/swift-ceph-backend) , does that mean, since I am guaranteed to use Swift native API together with RadosGW, that the middleware, which was written for Swift, would perfectly work also with radosgw object store? Or is it dependant on what RadosGW supports - right now there is no 100% compatibility (http://ceph.com/docs/master/radosgw/swift/)
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[5:05] <longguang> how to know which monitor is leader?
[5:07] <dmick> ceph mon_status -f json-pretty
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[5:17] <longguang> ok
[5:17] <longguang> dmick:could you explain what is 'osd_pool_default_min_size'? does it mean there are at least that number of osds in pgs?
[5:19] <dmick> I believe that is the default min_size for newly created pools
[5:21] <longguang> how it effects client's request?
[5:21] <dmick> and min_size is "the minimum number of replicas that must respond for a write to be acknowledged", so effectively the minimum number that must be up
[5:21] <dmick> http://ceph.com/docs/master/rados/configuration/pool-pg-config-ref/
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[5:24] <steveeJ> thanks erice
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[5:32] <longguang> dmick:i am not sure if it effects client's read?
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[13:17] <darkling> Why might ceph not be using the configured cluster network?
[13:17] <darkling> I have "cluster network = 192.168.40.0/24" in the [global] section of ceph.conf, and the OSDs are definitely sending data between themselves, but there's no traffic at all on that network.
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[13:18] <darkling> I can ping between the machines on those IP addresses, and we don't have any firewall rules set up.
[13:19] <darkling> It's just... not using that network.
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[14:54] <SPACESHIP> Am I correct in assuming that the .x0 releases are stable, and the .x# releases are RC's ?
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[15:16] <s3an2> exit
[15:16] <s3an2> quit
[15:17] <BranchPredictor> try /quit (with slash)
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[15:22] <absynth_> ah. there we go
[15:22] <absynth_> nhm_: around?
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[16:56] <seapasul1i> ceph cluster still degraded and rbd testing against ceph doesn't work (errors out).
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[16:59] <blinky_ghost> hi all, I have my openstack working fine with ceph backend for images and volumes. However, when I try to snapshot a VM, i see "deleted" on image service (glance) and never creates the snapshot. Any hint? thanks
[16:59] <Psy-Q> i don't quite understand how my ceph osds work. they seem to remember that there were previous osds (on the same machine, but i've meanwhile purged ceph from that one). now it's trying to add osd.8, and i thought it would restart at osd.0. i've purged the ceph packages on the mon as well and deleted /etc/ceph and /var/lib/ceph. what more would i need to do to completely erase the memory of an old osd?
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[17:06] <seapasul1i> have you tried removing the osd as provided in the ceph docs/
[17:06] <seapasul1i> http://ceph.com/docs/master/rados/operations/add-or-rm-osds/
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[17:08] <seapasul1i> basically ceph osd out ${osd_num}; wait for it to rebuild; ceph osd crush remove osd.${osd_num}; ceph auth del osd.${osd_num}; ceph osd rm ${osd_num};
[17:09] <seapasul1i> Psy-Q:
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[17:09] <seapasul1i> that should completely remove an osd from your cluster.
[17:12] <Psy-Q> seapasul1i: oh, fantastic! i didn't see those bits, thanks. i'm still confused about listing them as well, i'm never sure what's physically running and what the cluster thinks is going on
[17:18] <seapasul1i> 'ceph osd tree' will list them
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[17:23] <Psy-Q> thanks. i'm still working through the docs but i guess i didn't get to the important bits yet
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[18:29] <seapasul1i> Psy-Q: np np. Still working through all of the docs myself as well :) GL on your cluster.
[18:31] <Psy-Q> seapasul1i: thanks :)
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[18:57] <scheuk> is this the right channel to ask about ceph-cookbook changes?
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[19:30] <nhm_> absynth_: heya!
[19:31] <nhm_> absynth_: long time no talk. :)
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[19:45] <jnq> Does anyone know if there is an updated timeline for cephfs? or if it's potentially going to be ditched...
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[19:48] <jcsp> jnq: no official "promise" date, but it is being actively worked on.
[19:49] <jnq> jcsp: that is all i wanted to hear, thanks :)
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[20:12] <dmsimard> jnq: It's getting better and better. It's hard to put a green light on it when we're dealing with data. As soon as it's deemed production ready, it means Red hat and Inktank are ready to support it.
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[20:32] <smiley> anyone in here using ceph with opennebula?
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[20:57] <chowmeined> ive seen old references to a ceph driver for windows hyper-v, is that still something being considered?
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[21:14] <fghaas> quick question about fio benchmarks. It's become increasingly popular (from http://telekomcloud.github.io/ceph/2014/02/26/ceph-performance-analysis_fio_rbd.html I suppose) to run fio on rbd with bs=4k. Is it accurate to say that when librbd wants to write a 4k to an object that isn't yet in the cache, it has to retrieve a full 4MB RADOS object, splice in 4k, and the write it back. Or is it any smarter than that?
[21:22] <mikedawson> fghaas: Good question. For the purposes of benchmarking, most are likely writing to new objects (thin provisioning) rather than updating data. For my production data (rbd backing video surveillance), the drives are full and constantly overwriting the oldest data, so this question is very relevant. I'd like to know as well.
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[21:24] <fghaas> mikedawson: glad I'm not alone. :) also, it seems that fio does not allow running the same job n times, *sequentially* within the same process. since the (userspace) librbd cache would be invalidated once the process dies, that means you're not really able to fio-bench the effect of a hot vs. a cold cache
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[21:31] <mikedawson> fghaas: I haven't used fio w/ rbd support. Can it enable rbd writeback cache? If so, shouldn't it help coalesce small writes on a single run? No cache warming necessary, right?
[21:32] <mikedawson> fghaas: or are you inferring there is a read cache?
[21:32] <fghaas> mikedawson: the fio rbd engine just uses librbd. whatever rbd options you set in your [client] section of ceph.conf, the engine should honor
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[21:35] <mikedawson> fghaas: right. There still isn't a read cache for rbd, right? iirc, rbd only offers writeback or writethrough.
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[21:38] <fghaas> last I checked there was. :) albeit not a gigantic big shared one (which wouldn't make that much sense anyway) https://www.mail-archive.com/ceph-users@lists.ceph.com/msg10407.html -- I'm just currently trying to figure out whether I can actually reproduce a hot cache vs. cold cache effect with fio :)
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[21:53] <mikedawson> fghaas: I think according to http://ceph.com/docs/master/rbd/rbd-config-ref/ that there isn't an explicit read cache, but written objects hang around available to be re-read
[21:54] <fghaas> yeah, that's the point ??? fio does have a "loops" option, but seems not to honor it in rbd engine mode
[21:54] <mikedawson> although with 32MiB default size, eviction will occur quickly
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[23:56] <kentoj> hello?
[23:56] <kentoj> is anyone else here atm?
[23:56] <kentoj> I have a question about ceph.

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