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IRC Log for 2014-08-16

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[0:05] <WhIteSidE> I'm having a hard time starting the ceph-rest-api python daemon
[0:06] <WhIteSidE> I keep getting error calling connect
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[0:54] <tinklebear2> TiCPU I haven't set it up yet but I was wanting to get some vms in linux goign on it.
[0:54] <tinklebear2> Actually what I'd love to do is have ceph running on three boxes with about 6 terabytes between them and the vms running on the same boxes.
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[0:56] <tinklebear> Oops I got booted
[0:56] <tinklebear> cursing?
[0:56] <tinklebear> sorry
[0:56] <tinklebear> I missed it if anyone responded to me...thanks.
[1:00] <infernix> tinklebear: ceph can be pretty cpu heavy. it may not be wise for your VMs
[1:00] <infernix> especially if you have many more disk than cores
[1:00] <infernix> and by disk i mean OSDs
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[1:03] <tinklebear> I've got more cores than disks
[1:03] <tinklebear> IOt
[1:03] <tinklebear> It's not a
[1:04] <tinklebear> disk heavy app that i need it for
[1:04] <tinklebear> voice stuff but it would be cool to be able to move the vms from box to box on ceph if i had to
[1:05] <tinklebear> 16 cores
[1:05] <tinklebear> 72 gb ram
[1:05] <tinklebear> I wonder how bad it would be on that?
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[1:05] <tinklebear> with like 5 or so vms each
[1:07] <infernix> if you have low IO you should be good
[1:07] <jcollins> tinklebear: I have both VMs and ceph running on the same box with no issue thus far
[1:08] <jcollins> main VM and ceph node is 8 cores and 32G
[1:08] <infernix> i have 12 OSDs per server, one per core, and i very frequently max out all cores on servers
[1:08] <infernix> it is constantly loaded
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[1:12] <tinklebear> Ok..I'm just learning so thanks guys.
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[1:14] <tinklebear> Do you creat an OSD per disk?
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[1:36] <redcavalier> Hi, I've got very specific questions tonight. I'm not necessarily expecting straight answers, but I'll ask anyway.
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[1:37] <redcavalier> We're going to build our production Ceph cluster using mostly SSDs. I've been reading the Inktank doc and I've noticed that the Inktank doc, they only talk about performances using Intel SSDs.
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[1:38] <redcavalier> So, I was asked, do lower quality SSDs, such as Samsung SSDs, make that much of a difference?
[1:40] <Kupo1> redcavalier: Usually the speed is more dependable with intel disks, but the major difference is the lifespan is much greater on intel disks
[1:41] <Kupo1> redcavalier: if you can test and are comfortable with the speed of samsungs and are willing to replace your SSD's often you can go with the Samsung disks
[1:41] <redcavalier> Ah I see, so it's more a matter of lifetime length than actual performances
[1:41] <Kupo1> redcavalier: yes, esp considering most people use SSD's for journaling so they would get substantially more activity
[1:42] <Kupo1> However they do cost 2-3x more usually, so some people just up the replication values and go with more disks
[1:43] <Kupo1> its all about your use case and what you are comfortable with
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[1:43] <redcavalier> thanks, I'll consider both options
[1:45] <redcavalier> One more thing, we've been thinking on going full SSD on the storage cluster, to ensure good performance on our cloud architecture for as long as possible. Is it a setup that's seen often, or do most people prefer to go with 7200 rpm drives?
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[1:46] <Kupo1> Most users that I've seen documented use 7200 rpm drives, usually due to their use case demands high-GB storage. Both models work however
[1:46] <Kupo1> Usually with 7200 RPM drives you have dedicated journals per X drives, and with SSD's you have journals on each OSD
[1:47] <redcavalier> I see, I've read in inktank's doc they still use extra drives for journals, but it may be fine to sacrifice a few iops and have journals on the OSDs themselves.
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[1:48] <Kupo1> Unless you have substaintally faster drives for journaling its better to place the journals on each OSD
[1:48] <Kupo1> but for those levels you need PCI-E drives
[1:48] <Kupo1> ie: http://www.storagereview.com/micron_realssd_p320h_enterprise_pcie_review
[1:49] <redcavalier> yea, we're not gonna go with pci-e drives
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[1:50] <Kupo1> Another thing to note is there is quite a bit of latency with the current versions of ceph, so low size wites (4k~) are pretty bad in comparison to local disk
[1:51] <Kupo1> Not very noticable on 7200rpm drives, but it becomes clear on SSD's
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[1:53] <Sysadmin88> redcavalier, have you planned your networking yet?
[1:53] <redcavalier> ok, I wonder how obvious this will be for the end user in an openstack infrastructure
[1:53] <redcavalier> Sysadmin88 : While we do have a good idea on where we're going, we're looking into the hardware right now.
[1:54] <Sysadmin88> your SSDs are nice and fast, just dont slow them down with only gigabit :)
[1:54] <redcavalier> yea
[1:54] <Kupo1> Yeah, 10gb is a must with SSD's
[1:54] <Kupo1> Possibly more, depending on how many disks
[1:55] <redcavalier> we're gonna make sure to have a few 10gbps links
[1:55] <Kupo1> I've also seen from experiance with a pure SSD cluster it can use a full core of CPU per OSD when doing high iops testing
[1:56] <redcavalier> We're thinking 20 disks per nodes, dual E5 for each node, 64 GB of ram per node.
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[1:59] <redcavalier> Thanks for the pointers guys. It'll help to give alternatives to my boss.
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[2:26] <jcollins> tinklebear: sorry for the long delay, but yes I create whole disk OSDs
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[2:30] <tinklebear> That's ok man. I'm just trying to understand everything now. Thanks
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[3:05] <infernix> Kupo1: it's been about a year since i last tested but using all SSD in ceph will not allow you to use those drives to potential
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[3:59] <`jpg> Hi.
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[10:11] <Anticimex> P3700 intel pci-e ftw
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[10:15] <NotExist> Is there anyone had tried build from source?
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[11:37] <steveeJ> NotExist: not manually, but with gentoo
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[15:07] <infernix> Anticimex: do you have one?
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[16:07] <Anticimex> afaik they're not available yet
[16:07] <Anticimex> but hope to have soon
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[16:07] <mastamind> hi. is it possible to have a non-numeric osd id? eg osd.foo for example?
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[16:36] <mastamind> can i have one pool that is used by multiple pools as cache pool?
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