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[0:21] <steveeJ> can anyone explain why removing an image takes a couple minutes on an idling cluster?
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[0:24] <iggy> steveeJ: it's been mentioned on the mailing list before... iirc, it's not a threaded operation
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[3:34] <jamin> I'm attempting to setup a ceph cluster using ceph 0.80.5-1trusty on Ubuntu 14.04, but I'm finding that the ceph-mon process is continually segfaulting on one of the hosts
[3:36] <jamin> for example: http://pastebin.com/LpF0gHNY
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[3:41] <dmick> jamin: it looks like the monitor is in the process of handling a command
[3:41] <dmick> were you running a ceph command against it?
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[3:48] <jamin> dmick: there was another system running "ceph -w"
[3:49] <dmick> ok
[3:49] <dmick> it looks like something was doing a "ceph osd pool set"
[3:49] <dmick> and that something might have been a downrev version of ceph?...
[3:49] <dmick> is that possible?
[3:49] <jamin> shouldn't be
[3:50] <jamin> I think all clients (3) are firefly, let me check
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[3:54] <jamin> dmick: all three clients are ceph version 0.80.5 (38b73c67d375a2552d8ed67843c8a65c2c0feba6)
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[3:54] <dmick> do you have any idea what woudl have been doing an osd pool set?
[3:54] <dmick> (it wasn't the -w)
[3:55] <jamin> yes, as part of the setup, I'm altering the min_size and size of all the pools as I'm only doing a two node cluster for now
[3:55] <jamin> setting min_size to 1 and size to 2
[3:57] <dmick> ok, so it's dying while you're doing the op, that's good info to have
[3:57] <dmick> what was the command you used?
[3:58] <jamin> one sec, I'll paste the script
[3:58] <dmick> k
[3:59] <jamin> http://pastebin.com/QCHWFKJT
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[4:01] <dmick> hmm
[4:01] <jamin> pretty simple, no?
[4:01] <dmick> can you try that failing command with "ceph -v"?
[4:01] <dmick> it's weird
[4:01] <jamin> so you want a -v on all the ceph commands in the script?
[4:03] <jamin> ceph -v just gives the version?
[4:03] <dmick> sorry
[4:03] <dmick> --verbose
[4:03] <jamin> k
[4:04] <dmick> and, presumably you can cause this "by hand" just by issuing one of those ceph pool set commands. Are you getting a coredump?
[4:05] <jamin> could cause it reliably by starting the monitor on that host, but those commands just completed and the monitor on that host is still running
[4:05] <jamin> and there was still a "ceph -w" running in another terminal as well
[4:05] <dmick> so....something is continuously running the script?..
[4:05] <chowmeined> ceph is awesome
[4:06] <jamin> shouldn't have been, no
[4:06] <dmick> I'm wondering how the newly-started monitor was getting the command submission
[4:06] <jamin> I run that script once when I create the cluster before adding the osds
[4:06] <chowmeined> wait
[4:06] <chowmeined> why is something using floating point?
[4:06] <dmick> some of the pool set args can be floats
[4:06] <jamin> chowmeined: could be a divide by zero as well
[4:07] <dmick> integer divide by zero is a different exception, I'm pretty sure
[4:07] <chowmeined> yeah im pretty sure it is a different exception
[4:08] <jamin> dmick: just triggered it
[4:08] <chowmeined> nope guess not
[4:08] <jamin> ceph osd pool set rbd pg_num 100
[4:08] <chowmeined> SIGFPE does indeed occur as a result of a divide by zero
[4:08] <chowmeined> im wrong
[4:08] <dmick> indeed, me too
[4:09] <dmick> in fact I already had a test source file named div0.c and I only found out because I typed "vi div0.c" and was surprised :)
[4:09] <jamin> dmick got the command with a --verbose too
[4:09] <dmick> (at least my brain is consistent)
[4:09] <dmick> jamin, can you pastebin that?
[4:09] <jamin> doing so now
[4:09] <dmick> tnx
[4:10] <jamin> http://pastebin.com/8jJ80MK2
[4:12] <jamin> I only found this because the clients don't seem to be moving to the second monitor
[4:12] <dmick> yeah, that one's a mystery. if you have a coredump, can you examine it with gdb and get a traceback?
[4:13] <jamin> let me check
[4:15] <jamin> dmick: says it's dumping core but don't see one
[4:15] <jamin> already set ulimit -c unlimited
[4:16] <dmick> are you configured to dump them somewhere magical?
[4:16] <dmick> /proc/something or /sys/something...hm...
[4:16] <dmick> /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern
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[4:17] <jamin> dmick: yea, looks like ubuntu is snagging hem
[4:17] <jamin> them*
[4:17] <dmick> apport, IIRC
[4:17] <jamin> yup
[4:18] <jamin> do I just nuke that?
[4:18] <jamin> # cat /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern
[4:18] <jamin> |/usr/share/apport/apport %p %s %c %P
[4:18] <dmick> it's saving them for you
[4:18] <jamin> yea, but with a lot of other crap
[4:18] <dmick> you can extract the core
[4:18] <dmick> or you can disable it, as you wish
[4:18] <jamin> they get base64 encoded into the mix
[4:19] <jamin> looking at extracting
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[4:20] <jamin> dmick: would it be a problem if that command was run without any OSDs?
[4:20] <dmick> apport-unpack, but I don't know how you list them
[4:21] <jamin> could that be what is causing the issue here?
[4:21] <dmick> I would expect it not to work, but I wouldn't expect it to kill the mon
[4:21] <dmick> but it's possible
[4:21] <dmick> knowing where would help a lot
[4:21] <jamin> is it by chance taking the requested value divided by the number of OSDs?
[4:21] <dmick> heh, well, in fact
[4:21] <jamin> which would be 0
[4:21] <dmick> int expected_osds = MIN(p.get_pg_num(), osdmap.get_num_osds());
[4:21] <dmick> int64_t pgs_per_osd = new_pgs / expected_osds;
[4:21] <jamin> hehehe
[4:22] <dmick> it's a very good guess
[4:22] <jamin> divide by zero if there are no OSDs
[4:22] <jamin> I get lucky that way
[4:22] <dmick> yeah. "what could be zero?" :)
[4:22] <jamin> something like that
[4:22] <dmick> so the mon could definitely protect from that
[4:23] <jamin> so, should I file this as a bug report or is this good?
[4:23] <dmick> one of us should; if you'd like to that's fine with me (you get the reporter credit)
[4:23] <jamin> ok, you mind putting the bits you found in after since you found the location in the source?
[4:24] <dmick> sure
[4:24] <dmick> (this surely must be in the Coverity scan....looks)
[4:24] <jamin> will open the bug now, probably have to register and such
[4:24] <dmick> tracker.ceph.com
[4:24] <dmick> it should send you email to confirm; look for it in spam if you don't see it
[4:27] <dmick> sorry about that. I can provide you a devel branch to fix it if you want
[4:29] <jamin> nah, I can avoid the issue now that I know what it is
[4:29] <jamin> I'll just make sure to add the OSDs before setting that
[4:29] <dmick> true dat
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[4:32] <jamin> dmick: http://tracker.ceph.com/issues/9052
[4:32] <jamin> dmick: thank you for your help on this one
[4:33] <dmick> awesome. thanks for the report
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[6:09] <stupidnic> I used ceph-deploy to create my cluster, but what I can't figure out is how ceph knows which OSDs are which. They aren't in the conf file for the cluster. So where is that information stored?
[6:11] <dmick> /var/lib/ceph/osd
[6:11] <stupidnic> so it is a convention thing?
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[6:12] <stupidnic> What I am specifically interested in is moving the OSDs to the cluster network
[6:12] <dmick> config option is osd_data, but it's rarely set
[6:13] <dmick> well, on which network is a different thing
[6:13] <stupidnic> it always is :)
[6:13] <dmick> that's the host, not the osd
[6:13] <dmick> (although I'll grant you the config file examples blur taht)
[6:13] <stupidnic> well in the old ceph.conf you could do cluster network = 1.2.3.4
[6:13] <stupidnic> for each osd
[6:13] <dmick> well, you can set the networks globally
[6:14] <dmick> (to a CIDR, generally)
[6:14] <dmick> that seems likely to be most useful
[6:14] <stupidnic> I did do that in conf (cluster network=172.18.0.0/23) but I don't see any of the OSDs interfacing with that network
[6:15] <stupidnic> I stand corrected
[6:15] <dmick> (you sent the conf around to all the hosts, ya?)
[6:15] <dmick> (and then restarted the daemons)
[6:15] <stupidnic> yeah ceph-deploy is good about that
[6:15] <dmick> (including the mons)
[6:15] <stupidnic> I just see a lot more connecting to the public network
[6:16] <stupidnic> 158 connected on the public network and 96 connected on the cluster network
[6:16] <dmick> iirc it's only osd-to-osd traffic that uses the cluster net
[6:17] <stupidnic> I don't have any clients yet, hence my confusion
[6:17] <dmick> so it'll only be when the osds have to replicate or rebalance
[6:17] <stupidnic> if it is just OSD to OSD then all traffic should be going over the cluster network, right?
[6:17] <dmick> no; mon-to-osd traffic will still be on the public net I think
[6:18] <stupidnic> Okay. That must be what I am seeing
[6:18] <dmick> and maybe osd-osd heartbeats; not sure about that one
[6:18] <stupidnic> I know the mons need to be public
[6:18] <dmick> there *may* be an up-to-date-ish wireshark plugin; I don't recall
[6:18] <dmick> haven't ever tried it personally
[6:19] <stupidnic> yeah I was going to tcpdump but I wanted to check first
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[6:19] <stupidnic> one other question... I have two nodes, when I reboot one node and try to interact with the ceph cluster on the second node (ceph status, etc) it just sits there.
[6:20] <stupidnic> Is that a monitor issue?
[6:20] <stupidnic> both nodes are monitors
[6:21] <dmick> yeah, you don't wanna do that. two means if either is down there's no quorum
[6:21] <dmick> and no quorum, no love
[6:21] <dmick> run 1 or 3
[6:22] <stupidnic> Okay. It's a test deployment so that is good enough for me
[6:23] <stupidnic> should the deployment always be in multiples of three?
[6:23] <stupidnic> or odd or something to ensure quorum?
[6:24] <dmick> for mons, you just want to have a majority available with the maximum number of failures
[6:24] <stupidnic> is it best practice to run a mon on each node?
[6:24] <dmick> n/2+1, basically.
[6:25] <dmick> it's best practice to distribute mons around your failure domains so you have the most chance of having a majority up
[6:25] <dmick> for small test clusters, 1 is fine
[6:25] <dmick> for medium-to-large clusters, 3 is generally fine, but 'where' is more important than 'how many'
[6:26] <stupidnic> The trick is determing where your fault threshold is... cage, cabinet, etc
[6:26] <dmick> yep
[6:26] <stupidnic> one other question (since you are most helpful)
[6:26] <stupidnic> georeplication, is there anything possible there?
[6:26] <dmick> they're not super resource-intensive, but they do need to talk a lot for consistency, so too many is not great either.
[6:27] <jamin> dmick: so with 2x monitors if 1 is down will the clients find the other? or is it simply a standstill
[6:27] <dmick> currently, the s3 gateway can do geo stuff (because the semantics allow for it better)
[6:27] <stupidnic> okay. but not on the rados stuff?
[6:27] <dmick> but the rados cluster itself really needs a low-latency link
[6:27] <dmick> it's strongly-consistent, not eventual
[6:28] <stupidnic> can you sync snapshots between clusters?
[6:28] <dmick> weaker consistency is often requested, and things are being discussed
[6:28] <dmick> sync: not at the rados level. there is a capability coming soon, maybe here in devel versions, for doing that sort of thing with rbd images
[6:29] <dmick> jamin: if you don't have quorum things stop
[6:29] <dmick> so with 2 exactly, if 1 is down, no majority, no quorum
[6:30] <stupidnic> can confirm
[6:30] <jamin> ok, that explains that
[6:30] <stupidnic> I tested it and ceph commands just sit there
[6:30] <stupidnic> waiting for the other monitor to come back online
[6:31] <stupidnic> dmick: thanks for taking the time to answer my questions. I appreciate it.
[6:31] <stupidnic> next step... openstack
[6:31] <stupidnic> ugh
[6:31] <stupidnic> :)
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[6:37] <dmick> oh, good luck
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[12:14] <Kioob> Hi,
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[12:15] <Kioob> I have a radosgw which regulary crash, when *not* used, with this :
[12:15] <Kioob> Aug 9 02:32:27 daffodil radosgw: 2014-08-09 02:32:27.133411 7fb72eac2700 -1 -- 10.0.0.100:0/1017908 >> 10.0.0.16:6815/42812 pipe(0x7fb6e40dac00 sd=-1 :0 s=1 pgs=0 cs=0 l=1 c=0x7fb6e402e490).connect couldn't created socket Too many open files
[12:15] <Kioob> "too many open files" for a not used gateway seem strange for me
[12:16] <Kioob> (by not used, I mean we do not more than 10 API operation / content access by day, and in the next night, it crash)
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[12:58] <tnt_> Kioob: how many OSDs in the cluster ?
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[13:39] <steveeJ> has anyone thought or investigated about fragmentation of filesystems living on rbd images used by virtual machines?
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[13:46] <Anticimex> out-of-scope? :]
[13:46] <Anticimex> or you mean how it affects random write / sequential write on underlying ceph storage?
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[13:50] <Sysadmin88> with 4mb chunks, the reads/writes will be all over the place anyway
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[13:51] <Anticimex> also, with many virtual machines, reads and writes will be all over the place anyway
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[15:04] <steveeJ> Anticimex: it's not completely out-of-scope if you manage ceph and the virtual guests ;)
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[17:55] <darkfader> does one of you know a little about the STEC SSD models? I'm trying to fill some gaps here:
[17:55] <darkfader> http://confluence.wartungsfenster.de/display/Adminspace/Hitachi+SSD+Guide
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[18:38] <runfromnowhere> Hi all - I'm having some issues with VMs and latency over RBD. When my VM host is under load, I'm regularly getting latencies from that host to the Ceph store of 3+ seconds. This causes VMs to block on IO for that long and generally isn't a very fun time. I've mitigated the issue by enabling writeback caching on the VMs (which enables the underlying rbd cache method, if I'm reading right) but I wanted to know if ...
[18:39] <runfromnowhere> ... that's a correct resolution, or if there are other approaches that are more proper?
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[21:07] <Sysadmin88> anyone seen any word about the next XenServer version and Ceph?
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[21:42] <runfromnowhere> Sysadmin88: I've heard that XenServer keeps saying "We're gonna do Ceph...." but nothing concrete has come out of them yet
[21:47] <Sysadmin88> maybe now theyre pushing their community more it will come
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[22:00] <runfromnowhere> Hopefully
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