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IRC Log for 2014-08-01

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[0:01] <Vacum> jakes: "osds of each pool". what are you trying to achieve?
[0:01] <Vacum> jakes: normal approach is to create pools on _all_ osds on _all_ hosts
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[0:02] <Vacum> jakes: sorry, I meant create pools that _each_ use all osds on all hsots
[0:03] <Vacum> jakes: in its simplest form, think of 4 servers, each containing 2 HDDs. so you ahve 8 osds in total. default crush rule will put replicas on individual servers. now if you create a pool, its placement groups will be distributed over all 8 osds
[0:04] <jakes> Vacum. Say a case, where I have 3 nodes with 1SSD +1HDD in each. Can I create two pools- 1) Fast one with 3 members- SSD from each node 2) slow one with 3 members- 3HDD's. Isn't a valid scenario
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[0:05] <Vacum> jakes: that what Sebastian wrote in his article about. And I doubt this is easily done
[0:07] <jakes> Vacum: Doesn't it work?. I didn't see any docs, preventing such a configuration in the crush maps. If I put the above configuration in my CRUSH map, what will happen?
[0:07] <Vacum> jakes: it can be done on a per-server basis though
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[0:08] <Vacum> jakes: how would you do that? each OSD belongs to one host. in your crush rule you have a step take something, step chooseleaf firstn 0 type xxx
[0:08] <Vacum> jakes: as you want to cover multiple hosts, you would need step chooseleaf firstn 0 type host. but in your case each host has both ssd and hdd
[0:09] <Vacum> you would need to somehow create "virtual" hosts consisting of only the ssd and another only the hdd
[0:09] <Vacum> but this will likely not work as the ceph osds assign themselves to the hosts they are put to
[0:09] <Vacum> if i remember correctly
[0:09] <lurbs> Vacum: You can disable that behaviour.
[0:10] <Vacum> then every single drive in the cluster needs to be manually put to a "virtual" host?
[0:11] <lurbs> You could leave most drives alone, and just move the special case ones.
[0:11] <Vacum> or perhaps automate this on a per host basis with a script, detecting the "special" drives and move them in the crush map
[0:12] <lurbs> 'osd crush update on start = false' BTW.
[0:12] <Vacum> but I have no idea what impact it has if the same IP of a host shows up twice in the crush map
[0:13] <lurbs> IP isn't in the CRUSH map, just a hostname. And even then it doesn't strictly need to match the hostname of the machine.
[0:13] <lurbs> Easier if it does, of course. :)
[0:13] <jakes> Vacum: I got it. Can you give some link to "virtual node" documentation?
[0:15] <Vacum> jakes: that was something I just made up how it could theoretically be achieve. sorry
[0:17] <Vacum> jakes: my advise: if you need pools with different speeds, distribute the fast and slow drives on seperate hosts
[0:17] <jakes> Vacum: No problems. Say, I have a node with 20 HDD's. In normal case, all 20 OSD's will always belong to a single pool. correct?
[0:17] <Vacum> jakes: yes
[0:17] <Vacum> no
[0:17] <Vacum> a pool will cover all 20 OSDs. but you can have more than one pool there
[0:18] <Vacum> jakes: by default each pool will cover all osds on all hosts
[0:18] <jakes> Vacum: true. But, How will the creation of second pool help ?
[0:18] <Vacum> jakes: each pool can have a different number of replicas.
[0:19] <Vacum> jakes: i.e. important data can have 4 replicas, replaceable data could be in a pool with only 2
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[0:21] <Vacum> jakes: or seperation of concerns. ie one pool per tenant (assuming only few tenants...) or one for rbd, one for rgw
[0:22] <jakes> Vacum: ok. But in a way, we can say that all OSD's in a single node are considered homogenous. ( unless, i have a separate nodes with SSD's and HDD's separately?) correct?.
[0:22] <Vacum> jakes: not neccessarily homogenous. you can put different sizes into the same node. their weight will be different then and this is fine
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[0:27] <jakes> Vacum: In the same device, how does the weight configuration help?.
[0:28] <jakes> Vacum: I meant the same node
[0:29] <Vacum> jakes: the weight influences how many placement groups are put onto each OSD. so lower weighted OSDs get less PGs than others. the common usecase for this is to prevent smaller HDDs to become full earlier than the ret
[0:29] <Vacum> rest
[0:34] <jakes> Vacum: I didn't understand the weight allocation scheme from the docs. It is said that weights are relative differences between the capabilites. which means if have three disks of 1,2,3 TB respectively, weights are suggested to be configured as 1,2,3. Does that mean , writes will happen in the same ratio 1:2:3?
[0:34] <Vacum> yes
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[0:35] <Vacum> well, statistically yes. the PGs will be distributed in that weighting
[0:35] <Vacum> and as objects are hashed to the PGs, statistically the writes will be weighted that way too
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[0:45] <jakes> Vacum: that means, writes will be in the ratio of weights of participating osd's
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[1:05] <jakes> also, it is said that there can be 50-100 PGs per osd. I saw one formulae for calculating PG's. Doesn't that depend whther OSD are part of mulitple pools
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[1:29] <jakes> are there any limitations for max number of pools
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[1:38] <tcos> Hello, I'm trying to setup an ssd cache tier. I've configured new ssd root and ruleset in my crush map but it wont replicate to the OSDs. Is there some configuration I'm missing on the OSD side to put them under a different root? Should I pastebin my crushmap?
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[1:47] <jakes> different root?
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[3:02] <tcos> jakes, yeah because I have SSDs and Disks in the same host
[3:02] <tcos> I want 1 pool to use SSDs and 1 pool to use Disks
[3:02] <tcos> and then setup a cache overlay
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[4:18] <Jakey> HEALTH_WARN 192 pgs peering; 98 pgs stuck inactive; 192 pgs stuck unclean
[4:18] <Jakey> what does this mean
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[4:32] <chowmeined> Jakey, it means things arent talking to eachother
[4:32] <chowmeined> or it can be a bunch of things
[4:32] <chowmeined> but that the data isnt getting properly replicated
[4:32] <chowmeined> according to the policies you have
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[4:37] <iggy> I think one of the usual suspects of late is that the default replication level is now 3 and you only have 2 hosts
[4:37] <iggy> but without knowing more info, etc...
[4:38] <chowmeined> I ran into that as well, but in a more particular case, I only had 2 SSDs and I wanted to make a tier
[4:38] <chowmeined> but the pool defaulted to 3 and didnt accept having only 2 OSDs on SSD
[4:40] <chowmeined> oops, ceph kernel panic'd
[4:40] <kraken> http://i.imgur.com/fH9e2.gif
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[4:50] <Jakey> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/FLlfi9Pp
[4:50] <Jakey> the logs
[4:50] <Jakey> HEALTH_WARN 192 pgs peering; 98 pgs stuck inactive; 192 pgs stuck unclean
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[5:53] <Jakey> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/3hZsN5u3
[5:53] <Jakey> whats wrong ^^
[5:54] <lurbs> Is your network connectivity between the OSD hosts okay?
[5:56] <Jakey> lurbs: you mean can those osd hosts communicate with each other?
[5:56] <Jakey> i think so
[6:00] <lincolnb> Jakey: what is your replication level and how many hosts are in your OSD pool?
[6:02] <lincolnb> also are your clocked synched everywhere?
[6:02] <lincolnb> clocks*
[6:03] <lincolnb> ah i see there are three hosts
[6:06] <Jakey> lincolnb: yes
[6:06] <Jakey> please help
[6:07] <Jakey> its stuck
[6:07] <Jakey> i'm doing the quick start guide
[6:07] <Jakey> which i didn't use the whole disk for osd
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[6:13] <lincolnb> well afaik usually when OSDs mark each other down for no reason its a network communication thing.
[6:14] <lincolnb> theres not any weird iptables things going on between the hosts?
[6:15] <lincolnb> every OSD host can communicate to every other OSD host on the 6800:7100 range of ports?
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[6:19] <Jakey> lincolnb: how can i check for that
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[6:28] <lincolnb> Jakey: what linux distro?
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[6:40] <Jakey> lincolnb: centos
[6:40] <Jakey> 6
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[6:57] <lincolnb> Jakey: iptables -L
[6:57] <lincolnb> will show you the active filtering rules
[6:58] <lincolnb> for testing i usually just turn off iptables and selinux
[6:58] <lincolnb> selinux could possibly be interfering too
[6:58] <lincolnb> im not sure tho
[7:06] <chowmeined> Has anyone used the cache overlay with SSDs? I'm trying to use it but the performance is just wrong. I'm seeing less than 50 iops and 2000ms latency
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[8:10] <morfair> Hello! Sorry for my English. Say me please, can I deploy ceph monitor on OpenVZ container?
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[8:27] <dignus> morfair: I see no reason why not, as long as it can communicate with the OSD's and it's accessable for clients it's OK
[8:27] <dignus> morfair: It's just a daemon itself, nothing fancy about it
[8:28] <chowmeined> morfair, I would suggest not storing the mon on ceph
[8:28] <chowmeined> if ceph is your storage layer for openvz
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[8:36] <chowmeined> Is there a minimum node count before cache tier overlays start to work?
[8:36] <chowmeined> I tried to set one up on a test node with 6 disks and then 2 SSDs for the tier
[8:37] <chowmeined> and the performance I got was broken, under 50 iops and 2 second latency
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[8:57] <Clabbe> Getting 52018 kB/s sync with 10Gb sync network, should it be like this?
[8:57] <chowmeined> Clabbe, that seems slow
[8:57] <chowmeined> hi again :)
[8:57] <Clabbe> haha chowmeined hi :)
[8:58] <Clabbe> mtu has been set to 9000
[8:58] <chowmeined> funny story
[8:58] <Clabbe> yup =)
[8:58] <chowmeined> I setup an SSD cache tier
[8:58] <chowmeined> and now it goes 0.2MB/s, 50 iops
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[8:58] <Clabbe> chowmeined: wow nice
[8:58] <chowmeined> with 2000ms average latency
[8:58] <chowmeined> :D
[8:58] <Clabbe> lets put some old floppy drive as cache
[8:59] <Clabbe> and band drive
[8:59] <chowmeined> jazz drives
[8:59] <Clabbe> :D
[8:59] <chowmeined> I'm going to make a massive jazz drive cluster
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[9:00] <Clabbe> chowmeined: any idea what is causing the low sync speeds?
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[9:03] <Clabbe> having journal SSDs
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[9:06] <morfair> chowmeined, mon will not be on ceph
[9:07] <morfair> dignus, do ceph mon require something for linux kernel?
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[9:11] <chowmeined> Clabbe, how does health look?
[9:11] <chowmeined> Clabbe, and, ceph osd tree is interesting
[9:11] <chowmeined> I take it you've got a managed switch after all? Is it logging any errors?
[9:11] <Clabbe> its degraded and sync atm
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[9:11] <Clabbe> holy cow
[9:12] <Clabbe> many user at the same time
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[9:12] <morfair> Does Ceph mon require something for linux kernel (dkms modules,udev rules, boot parameters, file system)?
[9:12] <Clabbe> yeah I dont have any clients accessing the cluster, its just syncing/redistributing some data
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[9:19] <Clabbe> (2.760%); 80061 kB/s, 20 objects/s recovering
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[9:19] <Clabbe> slow :(
[9:20] <morfair> Clabbe, 1G?
[9:21] <Clabbe> 10G
[9:21] <Clabbe> :|
[9:21] <morfair> Clabbe, does cpu high?
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[9:22] <Jakey> lincolnb: thanks man
[9:22] <Clabbe> morfair: nope not at all
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[9:24] <morfair> Clabbe, how match `iostat -x 1 5` %util column?
[9:26] <Clabbe> 29.07 on the mechanical
[9:26] <Clabbe> 3.4 on the ssd
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[9:27] <morfair> hm, maybe ceph has some limitions like /proc/sys/dev/raid/speed_limit_min in mdadm?...
[9:28] <Clabbe> hmm on one of the osds it has 96 % on the mechanical
[9:29] <Clabbe> not using raiiid
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[9:29] <Clabbe> or was it just your own statement :)
[9:29] <morfair> it for example =)
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[9:31] <morfair> maybe while on one of osds disk util 96% - everyone is waiting for him?...
[9:33] <morfair> i meant all osds wait the most slow osd?... this is my guess
[9:34] <Clabbe> yup
[9:34] <Clabbe> putting in another mech disk and striping it would perhaps be good to do
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[9:35] <morfair> maybe. i'm junior ceph user ))
[9:36] <chowmeined> whoa
[9:36] <chowmeined> 100% utilization on SSDs? impossible
[9:36] <chowmeined> morfair, that is an awesome command, thx you've solved all the issues i've run into
[9:37] <morfair> chowmeined, I'm glad))
[9:39] <Clabbe> chowmeined: I read it in wrong order :S it was the mech that had 96%
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[9:39] <Clabbe> for some reason iostat printed sdb before sda :p
[9:39] <chowmeined> except now theres an issue
[9:39] <chowmeined> why are my SSDs 100% util
[9:39] <chowmeined> but only doing 200 iops
[9:39] <chowmeined> something is afoot
[9:40] <Clabbe> chowmeined: are your SSDs running that :O okay I thought you meant my issue
[9:40] <Clabbe> haha
[9:40] <chowmeined> yeah, my SSDs are having troubles
[9:40] <Clabbe> oh what brand?
[9:40] <chowmeined> samsung
[9:40] <chowmeined> but i think its the linux
[9:40] <chowmeined> on windows they get 40,000 iops
[9:41] <chowmeined> ive taken the same server and switched from windows 2012 r2 storage spaces (it didnt go well) to trying out Ceph
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[9:42] <Clabbe> oh
[9:43] <chowmeined> still
[9:43] <morfair> chowmeined, try iotop
[9:44] <chowmeined> Clabbe, are you using Ceph on top of RAID?
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[9:45] <morfair> chowmeined, using ceph on top of raid has problems??
[9:45] <Clabbe> chowmeined: nope
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[9:52] <muhanpong> anyone from ceph.com?
[9:52] <chowmeined> woot, its working better
[9:53] <chowmeined> is inktank (red hat) hiring?
[9:54] <chowmeined> ive followed the quickstart guide, that makes me an expert now right?
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[9:59] <muhanpong> ceph.com returns 403 errors for all requests from Seoul, South Korea.
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[10:05] <morfair> muhanpong, wow))
[10:05] <muhanpong> morfair, hi :-)
[10:06] <morfair> muhanpong, hi =)
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[10:08] <muhanpong> I have to install rados gw, but I cant read the documents from ceph.com... ha. ha. ha
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[10:17] <morfair> muhanpong, funny)))
[10:19] <muhanpong> it is very weird.
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[10:29] <chowmeined> does oftc always netsplit constantly like this?
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[10:48] <longguang> how to dump journal?
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[11:42] <morfair> Say please!! Does Ceph mon require something for linux kernel (dkms modules,udev rules, boot parameters, file system)?
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[11:49] <dignus> morfair: AAIK not
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[12:09] <kapil> w.r.t teuthology - if we have to schedule our jobs with teuthology-schedule , In ~/.teuthology.yaml we have to give queue_host machine name. This queue_host could be any machine or there are some additional prerequisites before I can mark a machine as queue_host ?
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[13:15] <ksk> hey guys.
[13:16] <ksk> i wanted to try ceph, but i fail installing the packages on fedora, because: Retrieving key from https://ceph.com/git/?p=ceph.git;a=blob_plain;f=keys/release.asc - does not respond
[13:16] <ksk> what is up? :)
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[13:17] <ksk> i did a wget, too. but thats not a key imho
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[13:18] <ksk> works via browser, nvm
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[14:39] <morfair> how to change default cluster name from 'ceph' to my own? i tired print --cluster and -c words...
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[15:47] <morfair> Do I have same ceph.conf on all ceph-cluster nodes? How good practice to do it?
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[15:51] <ganders> does anyone had the "libceph: connect xx.xx.xx.xx:6789 error -101" message?
[15:52] <ganders> one of my servers that had map a rbd from a pool is logged those satanic messages and i could even reboot it
[15:52] <jharley> morfair: pretty much, yes? Look at cluster sync tools are a configuration management tool to help you
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[15:57] <morfair> jharley, Do ceph has a cluster sync tool?
[15:57] <jharley> morfair: ceph-deploy is the closest thing. I use ceph in combination with chef so I don???t really know
[16:00] <morfair> jharley, i gave up on the ceph-deploy... i try to do all manually. I read http://ceph.com/docs/master/install/manual-deployment/ and don't see some for copy ceph.conf on all nodes (and mons, and osds)
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[16:04] <jharley> morfair: I think the instructions assume that you???re keeping at least the ???[global]??? section of ceph.conf in sync somehow on all nodes that you have particpating in your cluster. You can choose whatever method works for you and your environment
[16:06] <morfair> jharley, so, only [global] section important to be same on all nodes, or other like [mon*] and [osd*] too?
[16:06] <jharley> morfair: only your mon and osd needs need those sections
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[16:08] <morfair> jharley, on osd1 node should be only [osd.1] or [osd.1] and [osd.ALL]?
[16:09] <jharley> I don???t do [osd.X], I just let CRUSH deal with it dynamically
[16:09] <jharley> I have a ???[osd]??? section with my defaults for the OSDs, and that???s it
[16:10] <morfair> jharley, tnx
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[16:28] <burley> for downgrading ceph from 0.80.5 to 0. 79.0 -- anything I need to do beyond follow the standard upgrade instructions for order of operations -- or is it not compatible?
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[17:33] <devicenull> how would i go about debugging a mon that hangs while synchronizing?
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[17:34] <devicenull> I guess it's not really *hung*, strace shows it doing things...
[17:34] <devicenull> but it stops updating the log file
[17:34] <devicenull> and it doesn't join the rest of the cluster
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[17:38] <devicenull> last entry is 'handle_sync_chunk tx dump' with a bunch of osdmap updates
[17:40] <jiffe> so if I have 2 datacenters, a rule which chooseleaf_firstn on datacenter, and a pool size of 3 will this fail because it can't find a 3rd datacenter to choose?
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[17:43] <devicenull> nuked the mon data and rebuilt it with ceph-mon --mkfs and it works now
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[18:12] <jiffe> I'm guessing ceph df doesn't take replicas into account
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[19:07] <mongo> df is the raw space, each pool can have it's own replica count so no, it doesn't track the useable space as it doesn't know the context.
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[19:15] <jiffe> df through cephfs seems to report the same number
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[20:52] <jelon> Hi everyone, I am using cephfs-fuse and observe a rather interesting behaviour. a ???dd??? to a single file is more than 100mbyte/sec while an unter of a root filesystem tar takes ages. Also a ???du??? on a loaded dir takes more than 20 seconds to complete. What do you suggest me to look into?
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[20:53] <jelon> rdb-fuse seems to work as expected though.
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[21:16] <jakes> is there any relation between the cache pool and storage pool in cache tieiring
[21:20] <chowmeined> relation?
[21:21] <chowmeined> jakes, hey if you have any luck with cache tiering, I'm also trying to set it up but getting pretty bad performance
[21:21] <chowmeined> I also tried making pure SSD OSDs and the performance was poor there as well, bottleneck in Ceph?
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[21:22] <chowmeined> jakes, but to your question, it depends what you mean by relation
[21:22] <jakes> I was asking whether there is any size restriction for cache pool when compared to storage pool
[21:22] <chowmeined> they are associated and in writeback cache
[21:23] <chowmeined> size as in space or size as in replicas?
[21:23] <jakes> space
[21:23] <chowmeined> as far as I can tell those are independent
[21:23] <chowmeined> although, for performance reasons
[21:23] <chowmeined> you want to hit a certain ratio of flash to spinners
[21:25] <jakes> what's your config ?
[21:25] <chowmeined> I just have 2 SSDs with 1 OSD each configured in a pool
[21:26] <chowmeined> I wanted to test SSDs alone because I was having issues with tiering
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[21:26] <chowmeined> also, our target SSD ratio is 10-30%
[21:26] <chowmeined> I mean for us we want to get towards 30%
[21:26] <chowmeined> but thats roughly the rule of thumb, you can calculate it out
[21:26] <chowmeined> depends on your workload, how spotty it is, read/write ratio
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[21:29] <jakes> Are two SSD's in different host or in a single?
[21:29] <chowmeined> single host
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[21:30] <chowmeined> just a test setup, also, the SSDs are in the same host as the spinners
[21:30] <jakes> how did you confure your tiering?. which is your storage pool?
[21:31] <jakes> how many disks?
[21:31] <chowmeined> right now I dont have tiering on, this is a pure SSD pool
[21:31] <chowmeined> I created a test RBD out of the SSD pool to run some benchmarks on
[21:32] <chowmeined> and I'm seeing 800iops, 76ms average latency
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[21:32] <jakes> very strange. which benchmark?
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[21:33] <chowmeined> sqlio, id like to figure out how to run it from the linux side but atm thats what ive got
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[21:34] <chowmeined> its over iSCSI, which could be part of the problem, but in the disk only configuration (with split journals) it had higher throughput
[21:35] <jakes> ok. without cache teiring, whats the use of having SSd's and disks together? we have to keep them in a single pool
[21:35] <chowmeined> ah, I'll present a regular partition over iSCSI to isolate if its an iSCSI issue or not
[21:36] <chowmeined> no im saying, atm I have no disks in the pool, only SSD
[21:36] <chowmeined> to test whether the performance issues im having are tiering related or not
[21:36] <chowmeined> the result being, its not a tiering configuration issue, theres a different performance issue going on
[21:38] <jakes> i got it. I am just curious to know how would you plan to use both of them together
[21:38] <chowmeined> oh, either using the SSD partitions for journal, or tiering
[21:38] <chowmeined> depending on how the performance works out
[21:39] <chowmeined> or possibly assign them to completely separate pools for a sort of manual tiering
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[21:39] <chowmeined> and we could assign systems to them based on the application requirements
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[21:40] <jakes> ok. for the cache tiering, is there any limitations on locations of SSD's. say, if it spans over racks, performance degrades, right
[21:43] <chowmeined> I think that would depend on your networking
[21:44] <chowmeined> jakes, My understanding of the writeback tiering is that, writes go to the SSD tier, writes are acknowledged and then get spooled off to the slower tier in the background
[21:45] <chowmeined> and then reads that are 'hot' are moved into the SSD tier where they are hit first otherwise fallback to the storage tier
[21:45] <chowmeined> those transitions are background operations that shouldnt affect single request latency too much
[21:46] <jakes> Thats right. But, even SSD tier can span across the cluster(normal case) and latency can increase. correct
[21:46] <chowmeined> yes
[21:47] <chowmeined> Does Ceph optimize write latency? As in, does it try to group replicas based on the rule and based on which have the lowest latency to eachother?
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[21:47] <chowmeined> or is that up to the operator to ensure latency is minimal between nodes
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[21:47] <jakes> i don't think. CRUSH does it
[21:47] <jakes> the allocation to corresponding OSD's
[21:48] <chowmeined> okay so if it isnt augmented by runtime performance statistics then yeah
[21:48] <chowmeined> based on your replica policies, keeping latency low is important to ensure writes dont take too long to complete
[21:48] <chowmeined> low between different racks or rows or whichever your unit is
[21:49] <jakes> yeah, which is going to be difficult when cluster grows
[21:52] <chowmeined> Does ceph have some sort of latency hint in its rules system?
[21:52] <chowmeined> Like, you define your replica policy to ensure it is spread across failure zones
[21:52] <chowmeined> but can you also provide hints as to which groups of systems have the best connectivity with eachother, weighting?
[21:52] <jakes> i haven't read anywhere regarding this.
[21:54] <jakes> I doubt, if you use weights to correlate the latency, it will screw up something else. Not sure though. The docs says that, it has to be a measure of storage size( your I/O rate too).
[21:54] <jakes> let somebody comment on this
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[22:13] <hufman> hello good gentlemen!
[22:14] <hufman> do you know how i would avoid having incomplete pgs when a host goes down?
[22:15] <hufman> is it related to the legacy tunables that i am afraid of disabling?
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[22:17] <hufman> i have all my OSDs grouped into host buckets, and i have my 4 hosts grouped into the root bucket
[22:18] <hufman> and i am using the default 'step chooseleaf firstn 0 type host' ruleset
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[23:07] <hufman> strange, going through each of the servers, each time i bring one down it knocks around 2000 of my 41000 pgs out to incomplete
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