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IRC Log for 2014-07-21

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[3:36] <gleam> i don't think cephfs + erasure codes work together at all
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[8:10] <romxero> anyone awake?
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[8:17] <romxero> I have a project that I'm the leader of at LBNL
[8:18] <romxero> I have some questions about utilizing Ceph for our research
[8:27] <Sysadmin88> ask your questions :)
[8:28] <romxero> awesome
[8:28] <romxero> !
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[8:30] <romxero> under linux, if I take a symbolic link to /dev/shm and place it under the ceph object store system, will I be able to access the shared memory of system through that symbolic link, from another system in the cluster?
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[8:33] <blahnana> wat
[8:36] <romxero> ok /dev/shm is a tmpfs under linux, its a paged ramdisk. I want to take this, place it under ceph so everynode in the cluster can have a folder, and a symbolic link to the their respective tmpfs- through ceph
[8:36] <romxero> I was wondering if I could do this
[8:37] <Sysadmin88> your trying to use the high speed in ram? do you have the networking to keep up with that?
[8:38] <romxero> what I really want to use this for is a make shift distributed shared memory IPC using ceph
[8:41] <romxero> not trying to use the high speed ram for all our computations, mostly for cooridantion
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[9:01] <romxero> I'll try again in the morning
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[9:01] <blahnana> well, your best bet is to pose the question and...
[9:01] <blahnana> oh well
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[12:25] <fruehling> upgraded ceph on debian wheezy from cuttlefish via dumpling to firefly and getting '-1 accepter.accepter.bind unable to bind to <IP>:6791: (98) Address already in use' when starting any osd; what can i do?
[12:26] <fruehling> the osd is running and working; but i dont understand the message
[12:50] <Gugge-47527> first guess would be that it is trying to start it twice
[12:50] <Gugge-47527> or that something else is using that port
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[13:47] <fruehling> Gugge-47527: no port usage when the osd is down
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[13:50] <fruehling> Gugge-47527: maybe a config issue?
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[13:54] <fruehling> the corresponding config snippet: http://paste.debian.net/110769/
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[13:56] <Gugge-47527> what command gives you the error?
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[13:56] <Gugge-47527> and why do you specify a port in the config?
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[14:08] <Xiol> Hi guys, I've just upgraded 0.80.1->0.80.4 and I'm getting these errors when some of the OSDs are trying to start: http://p.rig.gr/view/raw/a512debf . This has happened on 15 out of 32 OSDs on this server. The 'journal' file referenced in the logs is a symlink to a disk which is linking to the correct journal partition (journal -> /dev/disk/by-partuuid/34dd371b-3375-490b-8890-51e0dfdbf23c)
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[14:10] <Gugge-47527> Xiol: what is the output of "file /var/lib/ceph/osd/ceph-186/journal" ?
[14:11] <Xiol> /var/lib/ceph/osd/ceph-186/journal: symbolic link to `/dev/disk/by-partuuid/34dd371b-3375-490b-8890-51e0dfdbf23c'
[14:11] <Gugge-47527> and "file /dev/disk/by-partuuid/34dd371b-3375-490b-8890-51e0dfdbf23c" ?
[14:12] <Xiol> /dev/disk/by-partuuid/34dd371b-3375-490b-8890-51e0dfdbf23c: symbolic link to `../../sdi2'
[14:12] <Xiol> sdi1 is the data partition
[14:13] <Gugge-47527> and if you try to start that osd now, do you get the same error?
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[14:13] <Xiol> yep: http://p.rig.gr/view/raw/de8c027e
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[14:15] <Gugge-47527> any custom config options set on that osd?
[14:15] <Gugge-47527> in ceph.conf
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[14:16] <Xiol> nothing specifically per-OSD in ceph.conf - however you have just reminded me that i set filestore_max_sync_interval to 30 and didnt set that in ceph.conf to persist - could that be an issue? only affecting 15 out of 32 OSDs though, and it was set on them all
[14:16] <Gugge-47527> dont know
[14:17] <Xiol> yeah, no good. set that in ceph.conf and still getting the same error
[14:18] <Gugge-47527> unless that option made it _not_ do a sync when you shut down, and your jurnal is not bad
[14:18] <Gugge-47527> not/now
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[14:19] <Xiol> hmm, possibly, but i'd expect it to either flush the journal to disk on shutdown, or leave the journal as-is and carry on syncing after a restart.
[14:19] <Gugge-47527> if it did not sync, that data is not there after a restart :)
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[14:32] <fruehling> lost my connection, any messages since my last one?
[14:33] <Xiol> (AFAIK) only if you can help me with this: http://p.rig.gr/view/raw/a512debf :p
[14:36] <oomkiller> Xiol can you flush journal? ceph-osd --flush-journal -i 186 ?
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[14:37] <Xiol> http://p.rig.gr/view/raw/62eecdd5 -> http://p.rig.gr/view/f51ccd6b
[14:37] <Xiol> same error still
[14:38] <Xiol>
[14:38] <oomkiller> ok as you flushed the journal successful you can try to reinitialise it by ceph-osd --mkjournal -i 186 and then try to start the osd
[14:40] <Xiol> Still the same error! :( http://p.rig.gr/view/raw/8a036747
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[14:40] <oomkiller> and you're sure the journal device isn't broken?
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[14:41] <Xiol> reasonably - either that, or 15 disks have gone bad after a reboot
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[14:43] <Xiol> nothing showing up in SMART anyway, short test okay, although SMART hasn't been great at catching broken disks for me in the past. nothing in syslog (no read errors, etc)
[14:44] <oomkiller> hmm well, i just have another shot in the blue, try to put journal back on same disk as data partition and see if it then comes up, and if try to move the journal again on the journal device
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[14:46] <Xiol> the journal already shares the same device as the data partition
[14:47] <oomkiller> but not the same partition as I understood, I guess you have an journal directive in your ceph.conf?
[14:48] <oomkiller> for the osds
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[14:53] <fruehling> Gugge-47527: i cant see any reason why the init script should start the osd twice
[14:54] <fruehling> the problem didnt exist in 0.67
[14:54] <Xiol> nope, installed with ceph-deploy, so i've got a fairly basic ceph.conf - http://p.rig.gr/view/raw/96d5ac73
[14:55] <fruehling> it happens since 0.8 with the same ceph.conf (cluster created with mkcephfs)
[14:57] <oomkiller> Xiol sorry don't know what could cause the problem
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[14:59] <Xiol> Yeah, even my google-fu is failing. Will take to the mailing lists, see if anyone has any bright ideas there. Worst comes to worst I'll just reinitialise the OSDs, I guess
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[16:06] <longguang_home> hi
[16:06] <pmatulis> hi
[16:07] <longguang_home> is there a ebofs?
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[16:14] <hufman> does anyone know of any incompatibilities or contraindications of ceph kernel rbd and kernel linux-lio iscsi?
[16:14] <hufman> i have two clusters running linux-lio on top of krbd
[16:14] <hufman> one cluster is rock solid
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[16:14] <hufman> in the other cluster, the iscsi target server kernel panics every night or two
[16:14] <kraken> http://i.imgur.com/WS4S2.gif
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[16:15] <jcsp1> longguang_home: ebofs was the old backing store for Ceph OSDs, some years ago. Now most systems use XFS.
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[16:17] <longguang_home> jcsp1:i am reading weil-thesis.pdf, maybe it is out of date. do you have a latest one?
[16:18] <longguang_home> i want to know of osd and at source code level.
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[16:18] <longguang_home> i should read some theory first.
[16:18] <jcsp1> we need someone else to do a phd to update sage's thesis :-)
[16:19] <longguang_home> do you know the code?
[16:20] <jcsp1> personally I don't touch the OSD ??? the ceph-devel mailing list is a good place, or in a couple of hours the developers in los angeles will be online
[16:20] <longguang_home> #ceph-devel
[16:21] <sage> might be nice to simply copy it to ceph.git/doc/<something> so that it gets rendered on ceph.com and turn it into a living doc
[16:23] <longguang_home> sage: do not you have a updated one for nowaday ceph? haha
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[16:52] <circ-user-FNGJM> hello community, I have Ubuntu 14.04 fresh installed. When i enter the command "ceph-deploy install node1" I get the error "RuntimeError: remote connection got closed, ensure requiretty is disabled for node1". By default requiretty is not activated. But I wrote explicity "Defaults:ceph !requiretty" in the etc/sudoers file. Does anybody have a solution or tips what I could do? Thanks
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[16:54] <alfredodeza> circ-user-FNGJM: you should try to debug this manually by attempting to ssh to that host as ceph-deploy would do it
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[16:54] <alfredodeza> which is basically `ssh node1 sudo ls`
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[16:57] <circ-user-FNGJM> when i enter the command ssh node1 sudo ls I will be asked for the password and when i enter that, i get "sudo: no tty present and no askpass programm specified" For me it is not clear what that means
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[17:03] <alfredodeza> circ-user-FNGJM: not sure if you are following the docs, but you need to have passwordless sudo access to the remote hosts
[17:03] <alfredodeza> circ-user-FNGJM: http://ceph.com/docs/master/start/quick-start-preflight/#ceph-node-setup
[17:03] <circ-user-FNGJM> I have followed this documentation exactly
[17:03] <circ-user-FNGJM> http://ceph.com/docs/master/start/quick-start-preflight/
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[17:04] <alfredodeza> if you are still being prompted by a password something is missing circ-user-FNGJM
[17:04] <alfredodeza> go through those steps again, making sure you don't get prompted for a password
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[17:05] <alfredodeza> specifically it seems you are missing this step: "2. Add sudo privileges for the user on each Ceph Node."
[17:05] <circ-user-FNGJM> okay, I think I have understand the article wrong. I have not followed this steps 1. Create a user on each Ceph Node. ..... because I thought this is only for version 1.1.3 and before. This is my wrong understanding. thank you for your time
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[17:07] <alfredodeza> circ-user-FNGJM: the only thing related to 1.1.3 is that it will create the SSH keys and copy them.
[17:07] <alfredodeza> ceph-deploy will not create a user nor it will change your sudoers files
[17:08] <alfredodeza> glad that you seem to be on your way now :)
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[17:10] <circ-user-FNGJM> Thank you for explanation
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[19:13] <ponyofdeath> anyone using btrfs as their osd filesystem with good results?
[19:13] <ponyofdeath> i have build a custom kernel with from latest 3.15.x with btrfs but i am getting some really high latency on my kvm hosts
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[19:50] <romxero> anybody available to answer questions?
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[20:13] <gchristensen> romxero: probably, but you have to ask questions to find out
[20:14] <romxero> lol ok, sorry I asked last night and I wasn't sure
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[20:45] <romxero> I want to know when using Ceph, if I can create a symbolic link to a folder in /dev/shm, mount it in the Ceph filesystem and have other nodes in the cluster access this portion of ramdisk in order to do shared memory IPC over the filesystem?
[20:49] <gchristensen> romxero: what would actually happen is each node would have a symbolic link to their local /dev/sh
[20:49] <gchristensen> shm*
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[20:52] <romxero> I see hmm
[20:54] <romxero> thats what I thought what would happen too.
[20:54] <gchristensen> even if you made a new node (mknod) identical to /dev/shm, it would be local
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[20:56] <romxero> I see. I see
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[20:57] <romxero> I mean I could just do file IPC through Ceph- but I don't think that would be ideal (slow).
[20:57] <romxero> Is there anyway to access that filesystem through the Ceph FS?
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[21:11] <cookednoodles> errr, ceph isn't really designed for that
[21:12] <cookednoodles> sounds like a task for nfs or something
[21:12] <Serbitar> romxero: soudns like you would be better using MPI and infiniband
[21:12] <gchristensen> I don't think NFS can even do it
[21:16] <romxero> I don't think NFS can do that either
[21:16] <gchristensen> mount a ramdisk to a location on your FS andp oint NFS at the ramdisk and it'd work
[21:16] <romxero> Yes MPI and infiniband would be ideal, though the latter doesn't fit in our budget
[21:17] <romxero> hmm
[21:17] <Serbitar> MPI over ROCE?
[21:17] <romxero> I'm not familiar with ROCE
[21:18] <Serbitar> http://www.mellanox.com/page/products_dyn?product_family=79
[21:18] <Serbitar> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RDMA_over_Converged_Ethernet
[21:19] <Serbitar> currently 4xQDR (40G) Infiniband IS cheaper than 40G ethernet
[21:19] <Serbitar> and possibly even so is 4xFDR (56G?) IB
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[21:22] <romxero> hmm
[21:22] <romxero> I'm looking all of this up now
[21:23] <Serbitar> i have no idea how good ethernet is for tha tkinda thing
[21:23] <Serbitar> we have lots of IB at work and it is nice
[21:23] <Serbitar> but yeah, not small budget friendly
[21:23] <romxero> yes not at all haha
[21:24] <Serbitar> intel IB kit is quite a bit cheaper than mellanox though
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[22:09] <seapasulli> I upgraded to 0.82-524-gbf04897 to fix some weird bug with radosgw not able to set bucket acls. (#8428)
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[22:10] <seapasulli> i just upgraded the monitor nodes and a few osd nodes. Everything was healthy for week+ now out of nowhere some of the servers can not start any osds and when I try to run 'ceph -s' it reports the health but then hangs on the nodes that can't start osds.
[22:11] <seapasulli> on the working servers ceph -s reports health and exits just fine
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[22:45] <seapasulli> when I run 'ceph-deploy osd prepare kg31-10:/var/lib/ceph/osd/ceph-osd0:/dev/sdaj1' I just get a timeout::
[22:45] <seapasulli> [kg31-10][WARNIN] WARNING:ceph-disk:OSD will not be hot-swappable if journal is not the same device as the osd data
[22:45] <seapasulli> [kg31-10][INFO ] checking OSD status...
[22:45] <seapasulli> anyone seen this before?
[22:45] <seapasulli> [kg31-10][INFO ] Running command: sudo ceph --cluster=ceph osd stat --format=json
[22:45] <seapasulli> [kg31-10][WARNIN] No data was received after 300 seconds, disconnecting...
[22:45] <seapasulli> [ceph_deploy.osd][DEBUG ] Host kg31-10 is now ready for osd use.
[22:45] <seapasulli> it says it's ready for use but any other commands just timeout
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[23:22] <tristanz> has there been any developments on cephfs vs gluster since Redhat announcement? Gluster split-brain is killing me???
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[23:23] <cookednoodles> what do you mean tristanz ?
[23:23] <tristanz> cookednoodles: any plans for a production grade release of cephfs?
[23:23] <cookednoodles> its being worked on
[23:24] <cookednoodles> follow the roadmap / commits
[23:24] <tristanz> what???s the honest appraisal of the current situation?
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[23:25] <gregsfortytwo> you're not going to get support for it
[23:25] <gregsfortytwo> there are a few people using it successfully
[23:26] <gregsfortytwo> depends on the requirements
[23:27] <gchristensen> tristanz: I worked for a few weeks to get a ceph cluster deployed and it ended poorly. I would avoid for now.
[23:27] <gchristensen> YMMV
[23:27] <tristanz> fair enough.
[23:27] <dmick> gchristensen: there are many many many customers using ceph clusters successfully in production
[23:27] <tristanz> I???ve had disasters with gluster as well unfortunatley.
[23:27] <dmick> ceph != cephfs
[23:28] <gchristensen> let me rephrase
[23:28] <gchristensen> tristanz: I worked for a few weeks to get a cephfs cluster deployed and it ended poorly. I would avoid for now.
[23:28] <tristanz> yup. i???m aware of the difference. :)
[23:28] <gchristensen> dmick: how's that?
[23:29] <dmick> that's closer to what I'd expect, although it'd be interesting to hear what about it ended poorly
[23:29] <dmick> because there are also customers using cephfs
[23:29] <dmick> as gregsfortytwo mentioned
[23:29] <gchristensen> I don't have access to the details anymore, unfortunately
[23:30] <gregsfortytwo> dmick: shhhh!
[23:31] <gchristensen> dmick: the final incident was cephfs kernel driver (on the mounting machines) kernel panicked all my machines right about at the same time during an import from a fileserver
[23:31] <kraken> http://i.imgur.com/H7PXV.gif
[23:32] <tristanz> dmick: until it???s labeled production grade, it???s probably a nonstarter for us anyway. Data loss is just too serious a problem. Given the insanity that is Gluster split-brain, I???m hoping you keep plugging away towards v1.0.
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