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IRC Log for 2014-07-09

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[1:04] <vmx> are the docs on how to debug issues? looks like a rados bench run triggers a segfault
[1:05] <vmx> (i'm a ceph noob, i just learned about it a few days ago. i compiled it from source, and started it with ./vstart.sh and tried to run rados bench)
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[1:27] <vmx> looks like i should try to ask again at some other time of the day :)
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[9:16] <Anticimex> mmmmm, Intel P3700 seems mightily awesome
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[9:40] <phoenix> hello man. who can help me?
[9:41] <phoenix> i create new claster on seph and after create my claster have degrade status.
[9:41] <phoenix> health HEALTH_WARN 5511 pgs degraded; 249 pgs incomplete; 249 pgs stuck inactive; 7296 pgs stuck unclean; recovery 18/60 objects degraded (30.000%)
[9:42] <phoenix> cluster 24f5894b-b8d8-4454-be0e-1034153fb077
[9:42] <phoenix> health HEALTH_WARN 5511 pgs degraded; 249 pgs incomplete; 249 pgs stuck inactive; 7296 pgs stuck unclean; recovery 18/60 objects degraded (30.000%)
[9:42] <phoenix> monmap e1: 2 mons at {a=10.1.9.51:6789/0,b=10.1.9.52:6789/0}, election epoch 14, quorum 0,1 a,b
[9:42] <phoenix> mdsmap e7: 1/1/1 up {0=a=up:active}, 1 up:standby
[9:42] <phoenix> osdmap e237: 38 osds: 38 up, 38 in
[9:42] <phoenix> pgmap v336: 7296 pgs, 3 pools, 7064 bytes data, 20 objects
[9:42] <phoenix> 78816 MB used, 103 TB / 103 TB avail
[9:42] <phoenix> 18/60 objects degraded (30.000%)
[9:42] <phoenix> 5511 active+degraded+remapped
[9:42] <phoenix> 249 creating+incomplete
[9:42] <phoenix> 1536 active+remapped
[9:43] <oms101> commit (1) woudl recomedn you have 3 mon servers in your cluster
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[9:44] <oms101> comment (2) has it been in this state for a while ?
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[9:46] <phoenix> This status appears directly after creation immediately.
[9:46] <phoenix> Why do I need 3 mon server?
[9:47] <oms101> it makes "election" of which is the leader safe when one breaks
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[9:48] <oms101> is the response you get from ceph -q getting less degraded or not ?
[9:48] <oms101> go for a cup of tea / cofffee and see if it gets healthier ?
[9:49] <oms101> I have never used mds -> not in my work place plans -> heard cephfs is more experimental than we want to deal with
[9:49] <Anticimex> phoenix: election is based on the paxos algorithm which does require uneven amount of members voting
[9:50] <Anticimex> this is to avoid split-brain in case of single partition
[9:51] <phoenix> hmmm
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[9:51] <phoenix> i go smoke come back
[9:51] <oms101> split brain is maybe as bad as it sounds :)
[9:51] <phoenix> but ceph -s
[9:52] <phoenix> saw health HEALTH_WARN 5511 pgs degraded; 249 pgs incomplete; 249 pgs stuck inactive; 7296 pgs stuck unclean; recovery 18/60 objects degraded (30.000%)
[9:52] <phoenix> monmap e1: 2 mons at {a=10.1.9.51:6789/0,b=10.1.9.52:6789/0}, election epoch 14, quorum 0,1 a,b
[9:52] <phoenix> mdsmap e7: 1/1/1 up {0=a=up:active}, 1 up:standby
[9:52] <phoenix> osdmap e237: 38 osds: 38 up, 38 in
[9:52] <phoenix> pgmap v343: 7296 pgs, 3 pools, 12065 bytes data, 20 objects
[9:52] <phoenix> 78816 MB used, 103 TB / 103 TB avail
[9:52] <phoenix> 18/60 objects degraded (30.000%)
[9:52] <phoenix> 5511 active+degraded+remapped
[9:52] <phoenix> 249 creating+incomplete
[9:52] <phoenix> 1536 active+remapped
[9:52] <phoenix> 30% not change
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[9:55] <phoenix> have any idea what I'm doing wrong?
[9:56] <oms101> did you have issues getting soem of the osd's installed ?
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[11:20] <phoenix> hello any body here?
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[11:23] <joao> <Anticimex> phoenix: election is based on the paxos algorithm which does require uneven amount of members voting
[11:23] <joao> <Anticimex> this is to avoid split-brain in case of single partition
[11:23] <joao> this is not true
[11:23] <joao> paxos requires a *majority*
[11:24] <joao> majority of 2 is 2
[11:24] <joao> works fine
[11:24] <joao> as long as you don't lose one of those monitors
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[11:25] <joao> the second statement is fixed by the majority requirement
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[11:27] <joao> phoenix, your cluster doesn't work because it's degraded; have you gone through the docs to see what that means?
[11:29] <phoenix> I have used previously ceph, but the raid arrays. Now I just converted it to a disc. And after creating my cluster immediately accepted degreyd modes and back is not restored. That's why I ask the question here.
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[11:30] <joao> you had raid arrays backing up the osds?
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[11:32] <joao> more important question: did you migrate data from your previous setup to the new one or is this a fresh, empty cluster?
[11:32] <phoenix> before the raid was an array which was 1 osd. I now revised his view and remade on singl disk
[11:32] <phoenix> this is fresh cluster
[11:32] <phoenix> empty
[11:34] <oms101> and you did a completely fresh install after you changed the disks -> you did not keep the mon hosts ?
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[11:36] <phoenix> hm. I recreate osd nodes. stop ceph on mon server and rm -rf /var/lib/ceph/mon/*
[11:36] <phoenix> rm -rf /var/lib/ceph/osd/*
[11:36] <phoenix> rm -rf /var/lib/ceph/tmp/*
[11:36] <phoenix> rm -rf /var/lib/ceph/mds/*
[11:36] <phoenix> rm -rf /var/lib/ceph/bootstrap-osd/*
[11:36] <phoenix> rm -rf /var/lib/ceph/bootstrap-mds/* clean this.
[11:37] <joao> tbh, that seems like a case of bad osd allocation in the tree
[11:37] <phoenix> after i mkcephfs -a -c /etc/ceph/ceph.conf -k /etc/ceph/ceph.keyring
[11:37] <joao> and replication must be hitting something weird
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[11:37] <joao> phoenix, pastebin the result of 'ceph osd tree'
[11:38] <joao> and by 'pastebin' I mean somewhere else, give us the url, not here
[11:39] <phoenix> i can past in your query
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[11:40] <joao> I'd rather you'd paste on a service, like fpaste
[11:40] <joao> http://fpaste.org/
[11:40] <joao> other people can see it if they want, maybe even help you out
[11:41] <joao> and it will likely maintain indentation, which is a pretty cool thing when reading the tree
[11:43] <joao> lol
[11:43] <joao> hexchat is still showing me notifications on your paste
[11:43] <phoenix> http://mamaf.ru/osd_tree.png
[11:44] <tnt_> png ... really ....
[11:44] <joao> your osds are *all* under the same host
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[11:44] <joao> tnt_, keeps the indentation in place :p
[11:45] <joao> phoenix, you'll probably want to move individual osds to their appropriate hosts/racks
[11:45] <joao> that is all
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[11:46] <longguang> client io 21290 B/s rd, 20 op/s . why its thoughput is so small?
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[11:47] <phoenix> I need to recreate the crash MAP? right?
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[11:47] <joao> no
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[11:47] <joao> you need to manipulate it
[11:47] <joao> phoenix, see the crush docs
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[11:48] <phoenix> ok i try:(
[11:50] <joao> as a point of reference, you'll want to check out the 'ceph osd crush move' command
[11:51] <phoenix> ooo i`m understand i create all osd on mon server/ if I move to the right place desired GSO everything will be fine?
[11:51] <joao> http://ceph.com/docs/master/rados/operations/crush-map/#add-move-an-osd
[11:52] <joao> phoenix, replication by default works on a host-level
[11:52] <joao> you have all your osds under one single host (for crush purposes)
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[11:53] <joao> this so happens to make crush pretty sure that you have no way of replicating your data, because you have no osds under any of the other available hosts
[11:53] <joao> so you move the osds to other hosts as you see fit and crush will be able to figure out what to do with regard to replication
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[11:56] <phoenix> ok i try change whith this commands:ceph osd getcrushmap -o map && crushtool -d ma-crush-map -o map.txt
[11:56] <phoenix> vi map.txt
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[11:57] <phoenix> crushtool -c map.txt -o my-map && ceph osd setcrushmap -i my-map
[11:57] <phoenix> right?
[11:57] <kraken> http://i.imgur.com/RvquHs0.gif
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[15:05] <askanis> Hey guys, I just set up a test cluster (manually, w/o ceph-deploy), but all the PGs stay in degraded, ceph -s output is here: http://pastebin.com/VHxh7vTK
[15:05] <askanis> I'm feeling that I made one or more stupid mistakes or misconceptions, judging from the osd log output, I think that the OSDs can't talk to each other, but nmap tells me otherwise. If you need additional output, I'd be happy to pastebin :) Thanks in advance !
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[15:19] <Vacum> askanis: how many hosts do you have?
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[15:19] <askanis> I have 4 osds and 1 mon
[15:19] <Vacum> askanis: so you have 2 osds per host?
[15:19] <askanis> osd-hosts, 2 osds per host
[15:19] <tnt_> askanis: pastebin ceph osd tree
[15:19] <askanis> kk
[15:20] <askanis> "ceph osd tree": http://pastebin.com/FzFs8772
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[15:21] <askanis> ceph version 0.80.1 (a38fe1169b6d2ac98b427334c12d7cf81f809b74)
[15:21] <tnt_> and ceph pg dump
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[15:22] <askanis> pg dump: http://pastebin.com/cWFMPiqn
[15:23] <dgarcia_> For everyone new to ceph and planning on a deployment: http://info.inktank.com/hardware_configuration_guide
[15:23] <dgarcia_> http://info.inktank.com/hardware_selection_guide
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[15:24] <dgarcia_> Some hardware selection recommendations and configuration
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[15:26] <tnt_> And if you hate forms like me : https://objects.dreamhost.com/inktankweb/Inktank_Hardware_Configuration_Guide.pdf https://objects.dreamhost.com/inktankweb/Inktank_Hardware_Selection_Guide.pdf
[15:27] <tnt_> askanis: huh ... not really sure. Try extracting the curshmap and decompile it, see what's in there because it seems to place everything on OSD 0 ....
[15:28] <askanis> okay, just a sec
[15:29] <askanis> crushmap: http://pastebin.com/Ki5YPmGc
[15:30] <tnt_> weight 0.000 is most likely the issue.
[15:30] <Vacum> Mh. That hardware selection guide doesn't reflect the "1GB RAM per TB storage per daemon" from the firefly recommendation.
[15:30] <tnt_> askanis: Are the drives very very small ?
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[15:32] <askanis> 4.9G
[15:32] <askanis> per OSD
[15:33] <askanis> not much, I know, but VMs, my hardware is currently being put in racks :)
[15:33] <tnt_> That's the issue. The automatic script that attributes the weight rounds up to the nearest 10G and so you ended up with 0 weight everywhere :p
[15:34] <tnt_> just manually set the weight to something valid.
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[15:34] <askanis> okay, I'll try
[15:35] <pressureman> i've just been reading the "how to enabled wb cache" on the ceph users list, and something is not quite clear to me -
[15:35] <askanis> I was squinting at the "weight" earlier, but I brushed the thought of with "ceph knows best" :)
[15:36] <pressureman> is it sufficient to simply add the <driver name='qemu' cache='writeback'/> in the libvirt vm definition, or do i also need to add the cache params to ceph.conf?
[15:37] <pressureman> i thought that the cache params in ceph.conf were only required if the host system was mapping RBD volumes (i.e. kernel RBD)
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[15:43] <askanis> tnt_: Can you have a look @ http://pastebin.com/ECevyn85 (new crushmap)
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[15:53] <tnt_> askanis: I think the item ceph-osd0 weight 1.000 needs to be 2.000 (i.e. the weight from above added together).
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[15:59] <askanis> tnt_: I updated the "default" rule, but to no avail.
[16:01] <askanis> I'll start again from scratch, I think
[16:01] <tnt_> does ceph osd tree show the new weight ?
[16:02] <askanis> yes, i have weight "2" for the hosts and weight "1" per osd
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[16:23] <askanis> Gotta leave for the moment, thanks a lot for your help so far :)
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[17:09] * Anticimex is thinking about write endurance on ssds when putting them as an ssd pool on top of a regular spinners pool
[17:09] <Anticimex> it's fine that client writes to the cluster are replicated by the ssds, obviously, and then at some point flushed to spinner pool
[17:10] <Anticimex> what i wonder is how tuneable the reads from the cluster are. will every single read enter the ssd cache layer, or how does it look now?
[17:10] <Anticimex> i need to account for all source of writes to the drives to dimension this little thing i'm doing right
[17:11] <SpComb> isn't that what a journal does?
[17:11] <SpComb> write cache, I mean
[17:11] <Anticimex> no, journal guarantees consistency
[17:12] <Anticimex> hmm i think it's possibly also read cache
[17:12] <andreask> no, its not
[17:12] * Anticimex looking at http://ceph.com/docs/master/dev/cache-pool/
[17:12] <Anticimex> oh
[17:12] <andreask> if you are talking about ssds for the journal
[17:12] <Anticimex> no
[17:12] <Anticimex> i'm talking about ssd cache pool
[17:13] <Anticimex> "Similarly, any object that is read will be promoted into the cache tier."
[17:13] <Anticimex> there's no free lunch
[17:13] <andreask> ah yes, cache pools
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[17:28] <dgarcia_> One question about journals, if I have a node with 5 OSD and 1 SSD for the journal for the OSDs. How could be the best way to recover the node if the SSD fails? any ideas of similar experiences?
[17:28] <dgarcia_> *would
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[18:09] <cookednoodles> 1 ssd for all the journals ?
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[18:17] <dgarcia_> yes
[18:18] <dgarcia_> I just looking a the documentation hardware recomendation from Inktank (https://objects.dreamhost.com/inktankweb/Inktank_Hardware_Selection_Guide.pdf)
[18:19] <dgarcia_> there is a example that they have only 1 ssd for the whole node
[18:19] <dgarcia_> to store the journals
[18:19] <janos> if you have many nodes, then sure
[18:19] <janos> assuming that ssd has the throughput for that OSD count
[18:20] <janos> but if you don't have many nodes, you're going to end up with huge rebalancing thrash if that ssd dies
[18:20] <dgarcia_> yes, they mention up to 5 OSDs for a SSD, this would support the IOPS
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[18:20] <dgarcia_> yes that's my case, I don't have many nodes, I'll the minimun for the ceph cluster to work
[18:21] <janos> i wouldn't recommend it then
[18:21] <janos> that ssd goes down, it takes 5 osd's with it
[18:21] <janos> in theory half? a third? of your cluster
[18:21] <janos> your data will be safe, but it'll be thrash time!
[18:21] <dgarcia_> it would be half
[18:21] <dgarcia_> yes...
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[18:23] <dgarcia_> could a RAID 1 of SSDs, solve this? what other solution?
[18:24] <janos> that or if you're going to bother with multiple ssd's per osd host, could also opt to split them up
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[18:24] <janos> small clusters are problematic in some ways
[18:24] <janos> different trade offs
[18:25] <dgarcia_> yes... I'm seeing that now... If I had only 2 more servers... -_-
[18:25] <janos> if you don't need the performance, you could ditch the ssd's entirely
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[18:26] <janos> and put the journals directly on the osd disks
[18:26] <janos> and then one disk dying is just one disk dying
[18:26] <janos> no cascade
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[18:26] <janos> nice and simple
[18:26] <dgarcia_> yes, that makes more sense in my case with less clusters...
[18:27] <dgarcia_> The purpose of my deployment if for VM disk object storage
[18:27] <janos> you may want to see if someone with experience with that perf profile speaks up
[18:27] <janos> i don't have much experience there
[18:28] <dgarcia_> the server would serve as a double purpose, to serve as compute for VM and for the ceph nodes that are going to be virtualized also
[18:28] <dgarcia_> to serve the storage
[18:29] <janos> if you were in theory to have up to 2 ssd's and 5 disks per node i'd almost consider making each ssd an osd and then have different crush rules for the ssd's versus the spinners
[18:29] <janos> some faster pools versus slower pools
[18:29] <janos> depending on utility
[18:30] <janos> but for direct simplicity, you might want to try 5 spinner osds with journals on the spinners and then test your specific hardware for perf
[18:30] <dgarcia_> yes, I think I need to start there. Thanks for the suggestions!
[18:31] <janos> any time
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[23:30] <gchristensen> Hi, has there been any improvement on ceph-fs in the past ~6mo?
[23:31] <gregsfortytwo> some; you can look through the git logs for work from Zheng Yan to cover most of it (or at the appropriate folders or whatever)
[23:31] <gregsfortytwo> still nothing anybody is calling supportable
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[23:39] <Midnightmyth> gregsfortytwo: it wont be ready for enterprise use in 2014
[23:40] <gregsfortytwo> that's a pretty safe bet, but we'll see how long things take and what enterprises say they want ;)
[23:40] <gchristensen> last time I experimented with it, it choked up on a directory with 400,000 files in it and corrupted all the data. going to experiment again and see how far I get :)
[23:40] <gregsfortytwo> hmm, it shouldn't corrupt anything, but if you're looking at large-directory use cases you'll want to experiment with the directory fragmentation
[23:41] <gregsfortytwo> I think it's google-able if you search for that and the ceph mailing list
[23:41] <Midnightmyth> just currious what do you need the FS for?
[23:42] <gchristensen> hehe, mds default dir hash, default: 2 (ie: rjenkins) -- this ie doesn't make sense I don't think ;) ... Midnightmyth at this point just experimenting. I was a sysadmin at a sizable web host. now, just personal interest.
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[23:43] <Midnightmyth> okay, I dont use ceph my self. But if I did i would likely just use the S3 similar interface
[23:43] <gchristensen> Midnightmyth: can't, really, needs to be mounted
[23:43] <Midnightmyth> okay what for?
[23:44] <gchristensen> to run their site through php-fpm
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[23:49] <Midnightmyth> I wonder if there is any arm chips with pcie lanes avalible so you could place a sata controller on the board.
[23:49] <gchristensen> absolutely
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[23:50] <Midnightmyth> any suggestion?
[23:52] <gchristensen> are you looking for like an MPU or something? a quick search turns up the Am389x Sitara line
[23:52] <Serbitar> Midnightmyth: there are arm chips around with sata on the SOC
[23:52] <Midnightmyth> Serbitar: yes but that is likely only 1 sata
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[23:53] <Serbitar> true
[23:53] <Midnightmyth> If they was cheaper they could work... but I think arm + sata controller seems cheaper
[23:55] <tnt_> you could connect a sata expander to it.
[23:56] <Serbitar> only if the on-chip controller supports port multipliers
[23:56] <tnt_> isn't that mandatory ?
[23:57] <Serbitar> for SAS it might be but sata it is not
[23:57] <tnt_> I thought it was just part of base sata ...
[23:57] <tnt_> Oh right, I might be used to SAS ...
[23:58] <Midnightmyth> arm boards with sata do not support sata expanders
[23:59] <Midnightmyth> At least I have not found one that does
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[23:59] <iggy> I saw a little SBC the other day with a pcie x1 edge connector

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