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IRC Log for 2014-06-12

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[0:03] <seapasulli> lupu: what would be the benefit of this? just wondering?
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[0:08] <lupu> that would allow every compute node to have its own cache pool
[0:08] <lupu> even if the cache would be read-only
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[0:12] <lupu> seapasulli: think of having rbd images + flashcache/bcache
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[0:23] <tcatm> Hey. Is it possible to recover radosgw buckets when some objects were lost?
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[1:41] <Anticimex> lupu: wouldn't a much more generic approach to solve your actual problem be to let reads from VGs be load-shared over all its OSDs?
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[1:41] <Anticimex> lupu: then: want wider cahcing and throughput -- use more replicas in cache pool?
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[2:02] <lupu> Anticimex: I don't think increasing the # of replicas in the cache pool can come close to local in-mem cache (librds cache) or local ssd caching
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[2:13] <lupu> in terms of latency, iops and maybe even bandwidth (if the hyp. is on gbit network)
[2:14] <Anticimex> ah you want colocate a cache with the compute node, but why then not go for any of the available block-based caches?
[2:14] <lupu> bcache flashcasche ?
[2:14] <Anticimex> mmm for example
[2:15] <lupu> I you bcache right now on the osd nodes
[2:16] <lupu> but I didn't found a way to use it to cache rbd images locally on the compute node
[2:18] <Anticimex> ah with qemu-rbd? i see
[2:19] <lupu> yes
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[2:21] <lupu> there were discussions about implementing a type of persistent cache for qemu-rbd
[2:21] <lupu> ex: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2013-06/msg03411.html
[2:21] <lupu> but i dont't found any progress on that
[2:22] <kfei> Is it possible to tune up QEMU-RBD driver's read_ahead size? Seems no docs mentioned this..
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[2:42] <classicsnail> without deleting a pool, is there a fast way to delete all the objects on it?
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[2:42] <classicsnail> I have a pool with 14 million small objects in it, and it's taking quite a while to do a rados -p pool ls | xargs rados -p pool rm
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[2:59] <dmick> classicsnail: if you really do want to delete them all, why not delete and recreate the pool?
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[3:03] <classicsnail> I could, it was more a question of if I could do it another way in the future
[3:03] <classicsnail> say, delete 7 million of the 14 million objects quickly
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[10:31] <Infitialis> hello
[10:32] <Infitialis> Does anyone use calamari at the moment? I've set it up with 3 sim minions but I can't seem to delete those :S
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[10:43] <xophe> Hello all
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[10:44] <xophe> is there any link ton an explanation of each sections of the output from rados df command ?
[10:45] <xophe> i dont understand the wr KB and wr collumn
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[11:02] <Guest13361> hi, using ceph cuttlefish, is there any possibility to limit or pause the backfilling process?
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[11:11] <cronix> my OSD's are dying because of ram going full
[11:12] <cronix> we have 60 OSD's on a single server
[11:12] <cronix> with 196GB of RAM and 32CPU cores
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[11:12] <cronix> ram is full to the last mb atm and the osd's are dying like flies because of that
[11:13] <cronix> i thought that much ram should be plenty enough for 60OSD's
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[11:13] <cronix> was i wrong? how much should be shove in our servers to make sure the OSD's have enough even in case of recovery
[11:17] <kfei> Does the qemu-rbd cache belong to each qemu-kvm process?
[11:17] <kfei> In other words, if I shutdown the qemu-kvm VM the rbd cache will gone, and a later reboot of the VM won't take any benefit from previous cache, am I right?
[11:17] <kfei> Because the qemu-kvm VM takes tooooo much time during booting phase, even though qemu-rbd caching is enabled.
[11:17] <sommarnatt> cronix: What does free say?
[11:18] <cronix> total used free shared buffers cached
[11:18] <cronix> Mem: 193795 192109 1686 0 2 2297
[11:18] <cronix> -/+ buffers/cache: 189809 3986
[11:18] <cronix> Swap: 3820 3787 32
[11:18] <cronix> total used free shared buffers cached
[11:18] <cronix> Mem: 193795 193181 614 0 1 2773
[11:18] <cronix> -/+ buffers/cache: 190406 3389
[11:18] <sommarnatt> Hmm ok
[11:18] <cronix> Swap: 3820 3820 0
[11:18] <cronix> 2 example servers
[11:19] <sommarnatt> We're on 10OSDs with 128GB RAM and around 120GB is cached
[11:19] <sommarnatt> I'm not sure why yours are using that much RAM
[11:19] <cronix> were in recovery atm
[11:19] <sommarnatt> Ah
[11:19] <cronix> 47384 pgs degraded
[11:19] <cronix> 158 pgs down
[11:19] <cronix> 1711 pgs incomplete
[11:19] <cronix> wtf
[11:19] <cronix> *etc
[11:19] <cronix> but i tought that even in recovery 196GB should be PLENTY
[11:20] <cronix> Unhealthy
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[11:20] <cronix> 306
[11:20] <cronix> (unhealthy = down OSD's)
[11:20] <sommarnatt> Hmm perhaps a dev or someone else can help, I haven't had that much issue yet during recovery
[11:20] <cronix> theyre dying/not responding to pings because of that ram issue
[11:20] <sommarnatt> Sorry
[11:21] <cronix> which brings the cluster into recovery needing even more ram
[11:21] <cronix> deathloop kind of
[11:21] <cronix> those OSD's are 4TB with dmcrypt
[11:22] <Guest13361> we are experiencing performance issues while backfilling
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[11:38] <huangjun> cronix: maybe your swap is full, that result into your osd like die
[11:38] <huangjun> can you show 'sysctl -p' output?
[11:39] <cronix> no output given by sysctl -p
[11:39] <huangjun> what about /etc/sysctl.conf ?
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[11:40] <cronix> all default there
[11:40] <cronix> what we did though was:
[11:40] <cronix> kernel.pid_max = 4194303
[11:41] <cronix> and elevator=noop
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[11:42] <huangjun> http://pastebin.com/dukGD89b
[11:43] <cronix> are these changes documented somewhere?
[11:43] <cronix> on what theyre benefits are?
[11:44] <huangjun> no, that will benefits read performance, and it reduce osd underlayer fs hang rate
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[12:27] <cronix> leseb: are you here?
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[13:37] <leseb> cronix: yup
[13:37] <one> hi
[13:37] <Infitialis> Does anyone use the calamari open source version atm?
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[13:39] <tcatm> How can I get a list of all users using radosgw-admin?
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[14:43] <Clabbe> Hi, Im having problems with a full osd
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[14:44] <Clabbe> Ive set the weight to 0
[14:44] <Clabbe> and also removed some pg's
[14:44] <Clabbe> and started it successfully
[14:44] <Clabbe> but it still gets filled again!
[14:46] <tcatm> From what I've gathered 'ceph osd crush remove $OSD' should do it, but I'm very new to ceph.
[14:46] <singler_> try "ceph osd reweight osd_nr 0"
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[14:47] <Clabbe> singler_: already set
[14:48] <Clabbe> tcatm: I will try that
[14:48] <singler_> can you show "ceph osd tree|grep osd_nr"?
[14:49] <Clabbe> 0 osd.3 down 0
[14:50] <singler_> strange.. are pgs now rebalancing? Also are you planning to keep this osd or you want to just remove it?
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[14:50] <Clabbe> singler_: planning to keep
[14:51] <Clabbe> they are rebalancing
[14:51] <Clabbe> the issue presented it self when trying to remove another osd
[14:51] <Clabbe> then this one got full.....
[14:51] <Clabbe> :|
[14:53] <singler_> wait for pgs to rebalance, then start this osd. It should clean up itself after peering
[14:54] <Clabbe> okay so its a feature problem?
[14:54] <Clabbe> or rather no feature for handling this
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[14:55] <singler_> I am not sure. After setting all zeros it should not receive pgs
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[14:55] <singler_> but for some reason it does. How much capacity is used in cluster?
[14:56] <Clabbe> singler_: 1036 GB used, 4534 GB / 5571 GB avail
[14:56] <Clabbe> 3 osds with 2T each 1 with 0.5T 1 with 1T(being outed)
[14:56] <Clabbe> there isnt any mechanism that stops a osd from being full? Seems VERY strange
[14:57] <singler_> there is
[14:57] <Clabbe> oh? How do I enable
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[14:57] <singler_> it is enabled by default, but somehow it didn't work for you
[14:57] <Clabbe> ceph version 0.72.2
[14:58] <singler_> for example "osd backfill full ration" prevents backfilling osd if it is used more than 0.85(?)
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[14:58] <Clabbe> singler_: how do I check what the parameter is set to?
[14:59] <singler_> ceph daemon osd.XX config show|less
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[15:00] <Clabbe> "osd_backfill_full_ratio": "0.85",
[15:03] <tcatm> What could cause radosgw to be slow?
[15:03] <glambert> tcatm, how long is a piece of string
[15:03] <glambert> disk IO, high load, network issues, etc.
[15:04] <Clabbe> cat /dev/null
[15:04] <Clabbe> or rather cat /dev/random
[15:04] <tcatm> All systems are basically idle.
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[15:10] <tcatm> Is there anything I could try?
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[15:32] <glambert> tcatm, define slow?
[15:33] <tcatm> radosgw-admin bucket list takes 2.5 seconds, S3 API times out often
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[15:35] <Clabbe> singler_: -1007/523224 objects degraded (-0.192%) ?
[15:37] <Clabbe> interesting
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[18:27] <Pauline> there are flags to limit the # backfill in flight
[18:28] <Pauline> ah, nm. he left :P
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[20:32] <seapasulli> Pauline: you mean like this ::
[20:32] <seapasulli> osd max backfills
[20:32] <seapasulli> Description: The maximum number of backfills allowed to or from a single OSD.
[20:32] <seapasulli> Type: 64-bit Unsigned Integer
[20:32] <seapasulli> Default: 10
[20:34] <seapasulli> also this :: http://ceph.com/docs/master/dev/osd_internals/backfill_reservation/
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[20:35] <bens> hello superfriends
[20:38] <bens> is there a way to get individual status out of ceph.s without feeding them to a json/xml/regex (oh god no) parser
[20:39] <bens> i love this
[20:39] <bens> $ sudo ceph health
[20:39] <bens> HEALTH_OK
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[20:42] <bens> something like this would be good for everything in ceph -s
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[20:45] <Cube> bens: like 'ceph osd stat' and 'ceph mon_status'?
[20:45] <Cube> ceph mon stat*
[20:45] <Cube> ceph pg stat
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[20:48] <bens> yep
[20:49] <bens> thanks, mister
[20:49] <bens> you just saved yourself from a support ticket.
[20:50] <bens> and me!
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[20:51] <Cube> yay
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[21:17] <designated> does anyone have any experience installing calamari? the documentation on github is a bit unclear.
[21:22] <bens> i have done it a lot
[21:22] <bens> what's up?
[21:24] <designated> after installing depends, it says create a virtual environment, then it goes into pip installs, are those supposed to be done within the virtual environment? it also never says to clone the calamari git, should that also be cloned within the virtual environment?
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[21:26] <seapasulli> also calamari client git is needed to finish the install right?
[21:26] <bens> oh i didn't install it from git. :/
[21:26] <seapasulli> How did you install it? just wondering?
[21:26] <designated> bens, how did you install it?
[21:27] <bens> direct from inktank's repos
[21:27] <bens> before it was opensource
[21:27] <designated> that would be convenient
[21:27] <bens> sorry. :(
[21:27] <seapasulli> indeed :-\
[21:28] <seapasulli> have some debs laying around? I can try and host em'.
[21:28] <seapasulli> or rpms now :-\
[21:28] <bens> it was on a centos box and i can't give em out.
[21:28] <bens> sorry mate
[21:28] <seapasulli> I had a feeling... hahaha
[21:29] <designated> who is responsible for maintaining calamari documentation that could point me in the right direction since the readme doesn't seem to be comprehensive
[21:29] <bens> inktank is awesome though, and you get them with support contracts
[21:30] <bens> i'm looking at the docs
[21:30] <bens> hang on
[21:30] <bens> I'll see if I can help
[21:30] <seapasulli> Awesome. I need to just dig through the docs more for it and give it a shot. It looks like it needs salt, node and ruby/passenger
[21:30] <bens> pip runs inside of the virtualenv
[21:32] <bens> when you create a virtualenv with virtualenvwrapper, it automatically uses it
[21:32] <bens> I am unsure about it if you don't use the wrapper
[21:32] <bens> and there are debs for this.
[21:32] <bens> "This code is meant to be runnable in two ways: in production mode where it is installed systemwide from packages, or in development mode where it is running out of a git repo somewhere in your home directory. The rest of this readme will discuss setting up a git clone in development mode.
[21:33] <designated> right but the documentation isn't clear on how they're setting it up. Create a virtualenv (if you are on ubuntu and using systemwide installs of cairo and m2crypto, then pass --system-site-packages)
[21:33] <bens> ok
[21:33] <bens> have you ever done virtualenv stuff?
[21:33] <designated> then jumps right into installing depends with pip
[21:33] <bens> yeah so you create a virtualenv
[21:33] <bens> then install pips into it
[21:33] <designated> so i assume you clone the git repo within the virtual environment
[21:33] <bens> yep
[21:34] <designated> bens, thanks
[21:34] <bens> But a virtual env isn't a location, its a set of variables and files that you use in place of the system version)
[21:34] <bens> you can clone it anywhere you'd like, just use the virtual env when you run it.
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[21:36] <bens> (please correct me if I'm wrong)
[21:36] <seapasulli> if you're following the git guide I believe you need to pass --system-site-packages. I didn't run into any errors until I tried to pull packages from the calamari-clients
[21:36] <designated> i just made a dir in my home dir called virtual_env then did virtualenv virtual_env/ceph_monitor --system-site-packagaes
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[21:36] <seapasulli> bens I am pretty sure thats 100%
[21:37] <designated> then source virtual_env/ceph_monitor/bin/activate
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[21:40] <bens> we have reached consensus
[21:41] <seapasulli> hehehe
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[21:44] <designated> pip install -r requirements/debian/requirements.txt is spitting out all kinds of warnings, errors, and failures. is that normal?
[21:49] <bens> doubt it
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[21:50] <designated> bens, lol
[21:51] <bens> are you in the virtualenv?
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[21:53] <designated> bens, yes
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[21:55] <bens> :(
[21:55] <bens> sorry I can't help
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[22:18] <hufman> designated: i've tried to install calamari too! and my virtualenv works, i think
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[22:19] <hufman> can you identify which package it's trying to install that is causing errors?
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[22:27] <designated> hufman, I'm past that part. Now I'm stuck on trying to do a make dist in calamari-clients
[22:28] <hufman> ah ha didn't get there yet myself haha
[22:28] <designated> it's complaining about "no such file or directory". I looked at the makefile and it seems to reference an undefined variable UI_BASEDIR = $(DESTDIR)
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[22:31] <designated> DESTDIR isn't defined anywhere in the makefile
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[22:51] <designated> inktank has a repo for calamari but I don't know if it will work without a license. https://download.inktank.com/docs/Calamari%201.1%20Installation%20Guide.pdf
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[23:49] <seapasulli> I am trying to create 80TB volumes within Ceph using RBD as a test. It looks like it's timing out. :3
[23:49] <seapasulli> when trying to delete the image
[23:52] <singler_> what error does it say?
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