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IRC Log for 2014-03-13

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[0:26] <bens> I accidently the whole filesystem.
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[0:32] <pmatulis_> bens: you missed a verb
[0:32] <bens> I accidenly a verb?
[0:33] <pmatulis_> bens: you accidentally did what to the filesystem?
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[0:35] <bens> pmatulis_: The whole filesystem.
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[1:09] <pmatulis_> formatted? corrupted? filled?
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[1:38] <bandrus1> pmatulis_ is getting trolled
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[5:15] <tjfontain> "If you don't like it, that's tough. Its time for you to switch to FreeBSD then. There is absolutely a need for fast booting in the Linux eco system."
[5:15] <tjfontain> -Systemd fuck: We must leave linux if we don't like systemd. Fight this. Please Second this proposal: https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/03/msg00000.html
[5:15] <tjfontain> Vote against systemd.
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[6:25] <janos> that does not appear to be anything against systemd
[6:25] <janos> more a vote to avoid future lock-in
[6:25] <janos> which is good i thinl
[6:25] <janos> *think
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[8:26] <glzhao> Hi folks, dose mkcephfs works in ceph-0.72.2?
[8:26] <jerker> I have not played around with openstack or similiar before. Is there any cloud like multiserver aware VM-manager that store all configuration etc inside and can handle the migration etc? What am I looking for? It this what openstack can do?
[8:27] <glzhao> I always get errors that "No space left on device"
[8:28] <jerker> I am not particularly interested in the customer centric parts, just want a sligtly more intelligent VM-manager... Keepalived together with KVM would work fine for me.
[8:28] <singler> jerker: you can try looking into ovirt
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[8:33] <jerker> singler: Thanks! It looks good but I would really like something even simpler. I also would like to store all configuration inside Ceph some way (maybe cephfs is good enough for this) or directly in some ceph pool. Hmmm.
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[10:36] <mikn> Hi!
[10:38] <mikn> I don't know how silly it is, but I can't seem to find any resources on storage space planning for a Ceph cluster? If I want to store about 7TB of data (let's say you can compress it to 5TB with lz4 or so), how much underlying storage would I need?
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[10:44] <Vacum_> mikn: that depends how much replication you want to run. 2,3,4? also consider filesystem overhead plus TB<->TiB
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[10:46] <Vacum_> mikn: also ceph's osd have "near full" and "full" ratios. once the first osd in your system is considered "full" you can't write anymore, either until you add more osds or rebalance (if possible)
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[10:51] <mikn> Vacum_: What are recommendations on such settings? I will probably run two physical machines. I guess a replication of 2 is "good enough" then?
[10:51] <mikn> Well, for now
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[10:54] <Vacum_> mikn: depends on your requirements :)
[10:54] <Vacum_> mikn: ah, of course: having space left on your cluster for recovering the failure of a drive has to be considered in your space calculation too :)
[10:57] <mikn> Vacum_: But there isn't some simple arithmatic you could apply, like if I enable compression and have a replication of 2, I would need 5TB*2*X to accomodate for X amounts of failing drives?
[10:57] <mikn> s/arithmatic/arithmetic/
[10:57] <kraken> mikn meant to say: Vacum_: But there isn't some simple arithmetic you could apply, like if I enable compression and have a replication of 2, I would need 5TB*2*X to accomodate for X amounts of failing drives?
[10:57] <mikn> Thank you, kraken
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[10:58] <mikn> Though, I understand that the value of X would only be an approximate and would not account for the case where multiple drives fail at the same time and if they contain both the original data and the replica
[11:01] <Vacum_> mikn: depends on the number of drives. if you have 10 drives per host and want to be able to have space for failure of one, you must not exceed 90% usage. but you should go much over 90% anyways due to above written "osd full". so if you want to be under 90% even with one drive gone in a 10 drive scenario, you must not exceed ~82%. 5TB/80%=6,25TB. divided by 10 drives: 625GB drives.
[11:01] <Vacum_> mikn: perhaps an akward way to calculate that :)
[11:03] <Vacum_> mikn: lets assume you want to use 2TB drives for this. you need 5TB net storage. that would be 3 drives per machine. but if one drive dies you only have 4TB left per machine. hence you need 4 drives per machine.
[11:03] <mikn> Vacum_: But that's without replicas, I guess?
[11:03] <Vacum_> mikn: that would be with a replica of 2 on 2 machines
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[11:04] <mikn> Ah, yes. I'm sorry, my brain stopped working a bit. Math is hard
[11:05] <mikn> Vacum_: Thank you, that is helpful!
[11:05] <mikn> Vacum_: What's the recommended level to add compression, by the way?
[11:05] <Vacum_> mikn: imo with a replication of 2 you should go for 3 machines (at least), so the pgs are "broader" distributed. and with above assumption of 2TB drives put 3 drives into each machine
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[11:05] <Vacum_> mikn: compression? Never used that before, sorry :)
[11:06] <Vacum_> mikn: well, not on fs level :)
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[11:06] <mikn> Any particular reason? :)
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[11:08] <Vacum_> mikn: most of the "large" data handled here is media like photos, video, music. not much to compress. all the rest (like text files) is only a fraction, so the benefit would be too small
[11:09] <mikn> Ah. We run a lot of PDFs and databases, so compression would probably be rather beneficial
[11:11] <mikn> But I think just the fact that it has support for snapshots on block device level would alleviate a lot of the storage frights I have right now
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[11:12] <mikn> Is ceph "okay" in low-latency scenarios as well?
[11:12] <mikn> Might also be a silly question!
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[12:56] <markednmbr1> hi all
[12:56] <markednmbr1> can anyone give me any advice on performance tuning?
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[13:03] <rotbart> markednmbr1, use ssds? *scnr
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[13:54] <markednmbr1> rotbart, I've got a 10G ssd partition for each osd
[13:54] <markednmbr1> getting ~20MB/s writes at the moment
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[14:37] <kitz> markednmbr1: I'm going through the same stuff. Start with fio tests to your OSDs and iperf between your OSD nodes and ceph client
[14:45] <fedgoat> i created SSD journaling separate from my OSD disks, but i didnt set the journal size in the conf...does this mean the SSD is not being used for journaling?
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[14:46] <fedgoat> i see default journaling is 0 can someone elaborate on this and is this the case when using separate disks like SSD for journaling compared to having journaling on the OSD disk
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[15:23] <TR> hello
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[15:30] <aeropuerto> hi everyone
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[15:36] <aeropuerto> ive fresh installed ceph with 3 nodes ? 10GB - but already saying that only 14876 MB free
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[15:36] <aeropuerto> rados -p data ls | wc -l
[15:36] <aeropuerto> 0
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[16:02] <aeropuerto> anyone?
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[16:19] <kitz> fedgoat: I created a 10GiB partition for each journal on my SSD and left the remainder unpartitioned. This allows the garbage collector on the SSD to utilized the unpartitioned space more efficiently.
[16:19] <kitz> when you point ceph-deploy at the unformatted partition it just uses up the whole thing.
[16:19] <fedgoat> it seems like it created 5120 chunks by default
[16:20] <fedgoat> i split up 18 sata OSD's so there are 6 partitions on 3 SSD's
[16:20] <kitz> also, you might want to make sure that you point to /dev/disk/by-partuuid rather than /dev/sdx# in case your drives get renamed after a reboot.
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[16:21] <fedgoat> when it creates the inital partition does it use the osd journal size to setup the jounral size?
[16:21] <kitz> i'm not sure. I pre-created the partitions and pointed ceph-deploy at them.
[16:22] <fedgoat> i used the osd create and pointed at the ssd /dev and it created the partitions
[16:22] <fedgoat> but then i noticed osd journal size is 0 by default..which i didnt have set in the config
[16:22] <fedgoat> so now im noticing these are in line with what the docs say 5128 block size
[16:22] <fedgoat> so im wondering if i need to expand these journals if thats possible
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[16:23] <kitz> ceph-osd has a --mkjournal command to recreate the journal.
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[16:24] <fedgoat> but if i destroy the current journal will the osd have to be re-created
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[16:25] <kitz> I *think* that you can stop an osd process cleanly and then recreate the journal without losing any data.
[16:25] <TMM> If you cleanly stop the OSD the journal should be empty anyway
[16:25] <kitz> thanks, TMM
[16:25] <TMM> the journal only comes into play when things go wrong
[16:26] <fedgoat> like the ssd crapping out
[16:26] <TMM> if you KNOW your data is good then you should be able to nuke it
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[16:26] <fedgoat> ok cool
[16:27] <TMM> but you know, backuops, etc
[16:27] <fedgoat> backups? what are those
[16:27] <fedgoat> this is production, we dont need backups
[16:27] <fedgoat> :D
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[16:35] <cerealkillr> hey guys, I am having an issue starting ceph-mon on my centos 6/ext4 host. mon log shows ERROR: on disk data includes unsupported features: compat={},rocompat={},incompat={4=support erasure code pools,5=new-style osdmap encoding}
[16:35] <cerealkillr> any ideas? :)
[16:35] <odyssey4me> hmm, lovely - I tried to copy a file to a block mounted rbd image and the file system didn't flush properly (I forgot to mount it with _netdev)... now the file is corrupt (ext4 file system) and I can't remove it... any ideas for how I can get out of this quandry? an offline fsck isn't really an option as this block mount is in use on other hosts
[16:36] <cerealkillr> this is from src
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[16:38] <tomvoss> I'm looking to test btrfs with Ceph. Can someone confirm whether or not ceph-deploy will allow me to create an OSD utilizing an entire disk and using btrfs?
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[16:39] <alfredodeza> tomvoss: iirc ceph-deploy allows to pass in an fs flag to specify the file system
[16:39] <alfredodeza> tomvoss: from ceph-deploy osd --help --> --fs-type FS_TYPE filesystem to use to format DISK (xfs, btrfs or ext4)
[16:40] <tomvoss> i believe i tried that parameter and it was ignored in ceph-deploy v1.3.3. i'll check my logs to verify.
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[16:41] <tomvoss> i'm not seeing it in my logs. perhaps i neglected to append the parameter. thanks for your help.
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[16:42] <cerealkillr> ah derp, looks like it can't write to disk if (!required.writeable(ondisk)) {... checking my config
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[16:47] <cerealkillr> yep messed up monfs creation (left behind from a previous install, nvm)
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[17:42] <verdurin> Is there an Ansible playbook for Ceph that is for baremetal deployment, rather than on Vagrant?
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[18:39] <loicd> wusui: http://tracker.ceph.com/issues/7690#note-2
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[19:33] <dwm> verdurin: I'm looking at that exact task, and thinking that a Ceph-specific module, rather than trying to encode the relevant logic in Ansible's playbook format, is probably the right way to do things.
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[19:47] <dmick> hey dwm: when you were playing with vmware/stgt, what kind of vmware machine were you using?
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[19:52] <dwm> dmick: I don't run the farm; I believe it was an ESXi host being managed by vSphere v5.5.
[19:52] <dmick> ok, tnx
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[20:25] <aeropuerto> hi - ive set up a cluster with 3 nodes ? 10GB - but 'ceph -s' 15790 MB used, 14899 MB / 30690 MB avail
[20:25] <aeropuerto> how come that so much space is already taken?
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[20:27] <dwm> aeropuerto: Where are the journals stored? I would guess that you've got a 5GB journal for each one sitting in the same directory as each OSD's dataset?
[20:28] <aeropuerto> seems like
[20:28] <aeropuerto> ../dev/xvdb 10G 5.2G 4.9G 52% /mnt/storage01
[20:29] <aeropuerto> how come its thats huge already?
[20:29] <dwm> aeropuerto: Have a look in /mnt/storage01; what do you see?
[20:31] <aeropuerto> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5.0G Mar 13 20:24 journal
[20:31] <aeropuerto> like you said
[20:31] <aeropuerto> ive set 'osd journal size = 256' in ceph.conf
[20:31] <aeropuerto> is that wrong?
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[20:33] <dwm> aeropuerto: Typical configuratio is to place the journal on its own block device, ideally an SSD for performance.
[20:33] <aeropuerto> oh, didnt knew that
[20:33] <dwm> (If an SSD is not available, SOP is to create two partitions per spinning disk -- one for the journal, one for the filesystem that backs the OSD.)
[20:34] <dwm> You may find the utility `ceph-disk` useful.
[20:34] <aeropuerto> didnt also knew it is possible to seperate the journal from the osd
[20:35] <aeropuerto> thanks for the info
[20:35] <aeropuerto> ill check out 'ceph-disk'
[20:35] <aeropuerto> is there a recommendation on how big the partition for the journal has to be?
[20:36] <dwm> Depends on the IO throughput of the underlying devices and some other factors. I believe there's a guideline expression in the documentation.
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[20:36] <pmatulis_> 5-10GB, its size is not proportional to the size of the OSD
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[20:38] <aeropuerto> i saw a demo from someone called florian introducing to ceph - his ceph.conf included the 'osd journal size = 256' line - ive just copied it. i thought it couldnt be wrong if he is also using this size
[20:39] <aeropuerto> so how come the journal is 5gb instead of 256? am i right that 256 is equal to 256mb?
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[20:45] <aeropuerto> ok - just answered my question by myself reading osd config reference
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[20:56] <aeropuerto> i could find how to just create a journal instead of a whole osd
[20:56] <aeropuerto> couldnt*
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[21:40] <ponyofdeath> hi, i have a two node cluster right now. I want to change my setup from flat to public / private network for ceph. do i just add prive networkwork = subnet public network = subnet and restart?
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[21:44] <lurbs> So long as those networks are ready, I believe so.
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[21:45] <ponyofdeath> lurbs: so i will add that to my ceph.conf then ceph-deploy config push it to all the nodes
[21:45] <ponyofdeath> i also need to change the ip of mon_host right
[21:46] <ponyofdeath> mon_hosts should be in the public network vlan right. osd's will get the private network subnet and use that for replication
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[21:55] <ponyofdeath> what is the new syntax for monitor declerations
[21:55] <ponyofdeath> i see [mon] section and under [global] the use of mon_initial_members
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