#ceph IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2014-03-12

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[3:27] <xianxia> hi,I am using rados bench test,"rados bench seconds-p pool-b objsize-t threads mode",but i don't know when use the same number of osds, whether the bandwidth is is affected with the objsize threads and the test seconds? I am confused,Can someone help me?
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[10:04] <ksingh> cephers , please suggest troubleshooting
[10:04] <ksingh> 12 ops are blocked > 2097.15 sec on osd.126
[10:04] <ksingh> 1 osds have slow requests
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[10:05] <ksingh> i tried restarting osd.126 OSD but still its says 12 pos are blocked and there is no IOwait on this osd
[10:05] <ksingh> what else i can check for this ??
[10:07] <fghaas> that's all that your "ceph health detail" says?
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[10:15] <ksingh> http://pastebin.com/0ShxuwGa here are more details
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[10:26] <ksingh> it says currently waiting for pg to exist locally
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[11:55] <stacker666> hi all!
[11:55] <joelio_> hmm, my mds are stuck in 'up:rejoin' for some reason..
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[11:56] <stacker666> somebody knows when cephfs will be production ready?
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[12:13] <singler> joelio: how long are your mds in rejoin? I had same problem, but it recovered (I saw high cpu usage during rejoin)
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[12:17] <joelio> singler: for a couple of hours now..
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[12:21] <singler> is there any cpu usage? Are all mds's rejoining or only one?
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[12:29] <fghaas> stacker666: for a strict definition of "know", no.
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[12:32] <stacker666> fghaas, i need it. my storage cluster is incomplete without it : (
[12:33] <fghaas> stacker666: then you just volunteered to make it production ready, or pay someone to do so :)
[12:34] <stacker666> fghaas, haha touch?
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[12:36] <stacker666> fghaas, what are the best alternative to cephfs? gluster?
[12:37] <joelio> singler: not really, no.. this cluster has been running for over 8 months now - had small blips before, but never a complete lockout of mds
[12:37] <fghaas> stacker666: you might be perfectly fine with cephfs. don't put a million files in one directory, use active/backup MDSs, don't use directory tree partitioning
[12:38] <fghaas> but don't expect to find someone to sell you a support contract covering cephfs, anytime soon
[12:38] <joelio> heh, in fact, i rolled past pgmap 20000000 recently :)
[12:39] <stacker666> fghaas, i thing inkthank offers support
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[12:42] <fghaas> stacker666: that would be news to me, for cephfs ... but I'll be happy to stand corrected
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[12:54] <singler> joelio: do you have 1 mds in cluster or more?
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[13:05] <joelio> singler: I had 1 with 2 in standby
[13:05] <joelio> they all exhibit the same issues.. If I stop the one that is in up:rejoin.. the other standby takes over..
[13:05] <joelio> but is the same
[13:05] <joelio> up:rejoin
[13:05] <joelio> I've increase verbosity now so gathering logs
[13:06] <joelio> I did some moving of OSDs yesterday, so I think the two may be related. It was, however, working fine for hours after that work
[13:07] <joelio> RBD is fine
[13:07] <joelio> just mds
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[13:28] <ksingh> stacker666 : last quarter of 2014
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[13:32] <stacker666> ksingh, really? its a great news. tnx
[13:32] <mattch> ksingh: Got a reference for that?
[13:32] <mattch> (so I can wave it at management folk when considering such things :) )
[13:33] <stacker666> ksingh, yes, where are you saw this?
[13:36] <ksingh> ceph day frankfurt
[13:37] <ksingh> any help to make my cluster healthy is much appreciated
[13:37] <ksingh> http://pastebin.com/0ShxuwGa??
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[13:43] <andreask> ksingh: but these pgs are there on the OSD filesystems?
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[13:54] <singler> joelio: sorry, I cannot help you with that :( If you'll find solution, inform me, ok? :)
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[14:07] <joelio> singler: fixed it.. however not sure. Just rebooted hosts sequentially..
[14:08] <joelio> assume some kind of hung process#
[14:09] <joelio> I've got verbopsity turned up, so if it goes again then at least some metrics/logging
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[14:14] <ksingh> andreask : i am concerned about those 12 operations that are blocked and 1 osd performing slow
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[15:16] <hedin> Hey, is it possible to use a cache pool, with SSD's, as a persistant writeback cache between some sas disks and libvirt?
[15:16] <jerker> TimeMachine->Netatalk->Ext4->KVM->RBD->Ceph works a lot better than kernel rbd. And ZFS is out of the equation too. Let's add a few more clients! :)
[15:17] <jerker> hedin: I don't know about pool, but does not bcache do such things?
[15:17] <jerker> hedin: sorry if I am totally out of the loop
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[15:26] <n1md4> any way to edit a monmap when ceph command does not work
[15:27] <hedin> jerker: tbh. I have no idea, I've used the last few days reading about ceph and i'm in the process of buying some hardware to test it on... I read yesterday that ceph(librbd) supports cacheing http://goo.gl/Dn8yy7 and I also read about cache-pool's http://goo.gl/bvM7EZ and it got me thinking if it's possible to combine it :)
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[15:38] <andreask> hedin: librbd caching is very usefull for libvirt ... it is in fact client side caching
[15:40] <hedin> andreask: wouldn't that require some decent disks and space on the client side ?
[15:40] <andreask> in memory
[15:41] <hedin> arh :)
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[15:45] <hedin> would it make sense to use rbd cache writethrough until flush and combine it with a r/w cache pool ?
[15:46] <andreask> don't know, had no chance to test cache pool in real-live szenario
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[16:26] <circ-user-H2qcN> hello *
[16:26] <circ-user-H2qcN> ive created a 3 node cluster using 3x10TB disks
[16:27] <circ-user-H2qcN> 19542 MB used, 11147 MB / 30690 MB avail
[16:27] <circ-user-H2qcN> how come there only 12gb space left?
[16:27] <circ-user-H2qcN> osd journal size is set to 256
[16:28] <andreask> I'd say you uploaded data?
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[16:28] <circ-user-H2qcN> ive done some benchmarking
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[16:29] <andreask> with rados bench?
[16:29] <circ-user-H2qcN> yes
[16:30] <andreask> and let it do the auto-cleanup?
[16:30] <circ-user-H2qcN> never heard of auto-cleanup
[16:30] <circ-user-H2qcN> how to?
[16:31] <andreask> if you do a rados bench write test and don't interrupt it, it will cleanup at the end
[16:31] <circ-user-H2qcN> ah, so those are leftovers
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[16:32] <andreask> do a "rados -p _your_test_pool ls"
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[16:32] <circ-user-H2qcN> is it possible to cleanup whole cluster?
[16:32] <circ-user-H2qcN> erase all data inside?
[16:32] <andreask> like delete and recreate pool you mean?
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[17:48] <joelio> hedin: the cache pools probably are not what you think of in terms of local hypervisor caching... they also can't be used inside the same hosts as other spinners (i.e. can't mix SSD and SATA in the same OSD hosts - if I have this wrong, please tell me - I've tried various CRUSHmap fu).
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[17:49] <joelio> the libvirt caching is about 32Mb default afair and they do make a masive difference in terms of VM usability
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[17:50] <joelio> I'm not aware of any other methods (bcache/flashcache etc) that would work within librados/libvirt unless you rbd map
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[18:04] <andreask> hmm ... anyone tried to do a "rbd map" for an image that has whitespaces in its name?
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[18:25] <zidarsk8> hi guys, I'm having problems mounting cephfs:
[18:25] <zidarsk8> # mount -t ceph 192.168.12.100:6789:/ /mnt/mycephfs -o name=admin,secretfile=admin.secret
[18:25] <zidarsk8> mount error 5 = Input/output error
[18:25] <zidarsk8> mount error 5 = Input/output error
[18:25] <zidarsk8> Im not sure what the name parameter should be
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[18:34] <gregsfortytwo> I don't remember the kernel mount syntax, but you might need name=client.admin
[18:34] <gregsfortytwo> I think it's in the docs
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[18:39] <zidarsk8> i was going by this
[18:39] <zidarsk8> https://ceph.com/docs/master/start/quick-cephfs/
[18:41] <zidarsk8> and its basically the same command, also I've double checked that the admin.secret key is the same as in /etc/ceph/ceph.client.admin.keyring on my monitor node
[18:43] <zidarsk8> can anyone tell me which username the docs mean by "To mount the Ceph file system with cephx authentication enabled, you must specify a user name and a secret."
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[18:46] <gregsfortytwo> that should do it
[18:46] <gregsfortytwo> actually I think EIO isn't about auth but about something else; does your kernel actually have CephFS support?
[18:47] <gregsfortytwo> and do you actually have an MDS turned on; that's the first result I'm getting from google
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[18:51] <markednmbr1> hi all
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[18:52] <markednmbr1> i'm getting about 25MB/s write on my 2 node test setup. Does that sound about right? or should I be able to push more?
[18:52] <markednmbr1> am using ssd for journal, 3 osds per node, 4TB WD red drives
[18:53] <Vacum> markednmbr1: depends how and what you test. and what network connection you have between all involved components.
[18:53] <markednmbr1> hello Vacum :)
[18:53] <markednmbr1> its gigabit, i'm testing using the coraid ddt tool
[18:54] <Vacum> never hread of that :)
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[18:54] <markednmbr1> i'll try bonnie++
[18:55] <Vacum> which layer of ceph do you use? rbd, gateway, cephfs or native rados?
[18:55] <markednmbr1> i'll do a quick dd
[18:55] <markednmbr1> i'm using archipelago at the moment
[18:55] <markednmbr1> which uses librados I believe
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[19:02] <markednmbr1> 15 MB/s using dd with a 1M bs
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[19:03] <pmatulis_> is this of any real value?: "a pool should have its number of placement groups be a multiple of the number of OSDs"
[19:04] <sjustwork> I'm not sure what you'd get with a complex multiple
[19:04] <fghaas> pmatulis_: http://ceph.com/docs/master/rados/operations/placement-groups/
[19:05] <fghaas> sjustwork: that just made my day, thanks :)
[19:06] <pmatulis_> fghaas: are you trying to say 'no' b/c that page does not mention my supposed rule?
[19:06] <Vacum> otoh number of pgs should be 2^n so you get better distribution of objects to pgs
[19:07] <fghaas> pmatulis_: I'm saying that that page has the commonly accepted rule of thumb
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[19:07] <pmatulis_> fghaas: yes, i know about that rule of thumb
[19:07] <fghaas> and you are also correct, if your "multiple" is (100/numReplicas)
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[19:08] <fghaas> Vacum: um... what?
[19:09] <Vacum> fghaas: we experienced uneven distribution of objects to pgs if we have number of pgs not being 2^n
[19:09] <fghaas> you are aware that PGs are distributed to OSDs as a whole, and that pmatulis_ is talking about *that* distribution?
[19:09] <Vacum> and with uneven I mean some pgs get double the amount of objects as others
[19:10] <fghaas> we are not talking about distributing objects to PGs, but PGs to OSDs
[19:10] <Vacum> fghaas: yes, I am aware of this. but when talking about "number of pgs" imo the "2^n" fact should be mentioned as well
[19:11] <fghaas> what's your n? are you just saying that the number of PGs should be a power of two?
[19:11] <Vacum> yes
[19:12] <fghaas> ah. no idea. sage or gregsfortytwo, are you able to confirm that?
[19:12] <sjustwork> fghaas Vacum: that is true
[19:12] <sjustwork> it's how pg splitting is able to work
[19:13] <fghaas> well it looks like a doc patch is in order then
[19:13] <sjustwork> however
[19:13] <sjustwork> you don't need 2^n pgs
[19:13] <sjustwork> the double size pgs aren't necessarily a problem
[19:13] <sjustwork> since they should distribute right along with the normal size gps
[19:13] <sjustwork> *pgs
[19:14] <sjustwork> so if you have enough pgs to begin with, it shouldn't matter
[19:14] <pmatulis_> Vacum: so if the 100/replicas came to 600 you would make that 1024 ?
[19:15] <Vacum> sjustwork: statistically with enough osds and ~100 pgs/osd you will still end up with osds already >85% and other still being at 70%, even if your objects are all between 1M and 4M
[19:15] <Vacum> pmatulis_: yes, I would
[19:15] <sjustwork> Vacum: it's entirely possible that the guideline is too log
[19:15] <sjustwork> *low
[19:15] <fghaas> sjustwork: I'll fix up a doc patch
[19:15] <Vacum> sjustwork: well, practically that is what we experienced in a evaluation cluster :)
[19:15] <sjustwork> right, in all likelihood the issue is that 100/osd isn't enough
[19:16] <Vacum> yes, could be
[19:16] <pmatulis_> sjustwork: what is a double-size and normal-size PG?
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[19:17] <Vacum> still, if using power of 2 pgs mitigates the whole issue a bit, I'm totally for using power of 2 pgs in our setup :)
[19:17] <pmatulis_> Vacum: but more resources will be consumed by doing that
[19:18] <pmatulis_> since PGs are expensive in general
[19:20] <Vacum> pmatulis_: I'd rather use a bit more CPU constantly than having to shuffle data with osd reweight when coming to near full situations
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[19:20] <sjustwork> pmatulis_: when you increase pg_num by 1, a single pg splits in half
[19:20] <pmatulis_> Vacum: well too many PGs can overload the OSD hosts. i comes down to how much resources you have
[19:20] <sjustwork> otherwise, all objects would have to shuffle which would be unfortunate
[19:21] <pmatulis_> sjustwork: so the unsplit PG is a double-size and the 2 split PGs are both normal-size?
[19:22] <sjustwork> pmatulis_: basically
[19:23] <pmatulis_> sjustwork: so the 'power of 2' rule ensures the use case of doubling your PGs?
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[19:24] <sjustwork> pmatulis_: no, that just happens to be the pg_nums such that all pgs are the same size
[19:24] <sjustwork> it's really not very important
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[19:36] <fghaas> sjustwork: https://github.com/ceph/ceph/pull/1438
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