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IRC Log for 2014-03-04

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[0:09] <mo-> Having mons that are failing to sync, they just abort after 30 seconds. Im wondering whether increasing some timeout would help. Would I be looking for "mon sync timeout" or a different one
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[0:31] <mrabbitt> Is anyone here doing iSCSI targets for use with VMWare ESX?
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[0:56] <ptone> wondering how to dig on a stuck ceph-disk-activate
[0:56] <ptone> http://bpaste.net/show/Uukdt4pRdSdfnpmuadJg/
[0:57] <ptone> when I log into the storage nodes, this command also hangs
[0:57] <ptone> if I ^c the command when running on the OSD node, I get: ^CError connecting to cluster: InterruptedOrTimeoutError
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[0:58] <ptone> this does leave a /var/lib/ceph/tmp/ceph-disk.activate.lock file
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[1:01] <ptone> prepare worked fine
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[1:49] <mo-> damnit its still failing...
[1:49] <mo-> sync_requester_abort mon.1 Y.X.Z.202:6789/0 mon.1 X.Y.Z.202:6789/0 clearing potentially inconsistent store
[1:51] <mo-> either "mon sync timeout" isnt the correct one or I havent found the right place to configure that yet
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[2:03] <cjh973> ceph: where are the radosgw keys stored? are they stored a rados object?
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[3:20] <mo-> so. turns out its actually the sync heartbeat timeout triggering. Ive set it to 5 minutes as a test (default=30), but the mon is still hitting that timeout
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[7:47] <yguang11> Hi all, I am looking at the HashIndex implementation and try to do some tweak to see how much performance improvement we potential gain to refactor the HashIndex's lookup logic (walk the path component by ::stat).
[7:47] <yguang11> Is there any similiar evaluation done before?
[7:58] <jerker> For your information, running time machine to cephfs (via netatalk) works at least for testing. Has anyone tried it in a larger scale? It would solve a lot of my backup needs.
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[10:32] <oblu-> why i386 won't work?
[10:32] <oblu-> /usr/bin/ld: i386:x86-64 architecture of input file `./.libs/libglobal.a(libcommon_crc_la-crc32c_intel_fast_zero_asm.o)' is incompatible with i386 output
[10:32] <oblu-> collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
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[10:34] <oblu-> ok, illmodify the rules
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[11:10] <jerker> Do one have to complile Ceph with --with-zfs to work with ZFS or is it possible to just run dumb without using any extra features like in ext4? Im thinking of this comment: http://lists.ceph.com/pipermail/ceph-users-ceph.com/2013-November/005828.html
[11:11] <jerker> s/complile/compile/
[11:11] <kraken> jerker meant to say: Do one have to compile Ceph with --with-zfs to work with ZFS or is it possible to just run dumb without using any extra features like in ext4? Im thinking of this comment: http://lists.ceph.com/pipermail/ceph-users-ceph.com/2013-November/005828.html
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[12:03] <oblu-> hmm no luck building it for i386 :(
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[12:10] <hflai> Hi, is there anyone knows about when will the object striping feature in librados be implemented? # http://wiki.ceph.com/Planning/Blueprints/Firefly/Object_striping_in_librados
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[12:54] <jerker> It seems to be working to run Ceph/Ext4/ZVOL/ZFS. Cool. Then I don't need at least for the moment remove the old ZFS pools on the OSD nodes. Cool.
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[13:48] <jamespage> sage, rturk-away: any chance we can get the ceph-maintainers ML unrestricted - bug traffic is not coming through due to moderation blocks
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[13:56] <mo-> is there some documentation what the mons rank is used for?
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[15:48] <hurl> Hi all. I'm giving ceph a test. I've setup a test platform, 2 osd, 1 mon. I've tried a dd on a rbd mounted and having poor performance (like 4MB/s). network is Gb, local HD on osd give 50MB/s. I don't know where to look more
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[15:50] <fghaas> hurl: enable rbd caching
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[15:55] <hurl> fghaas: thanks, I look at it right now
[15:55] <fghaas> that said, single thread streaming performance in RBD isn't exactly stellar, and that is exactly what you simulate with dd
[15:56] <fghaas> and with so few OSDs, multithread perf won't be a whole lot better, but caching should help
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[16:02] <hurl> Ok. I was a bit disappointed of the 4MB/s. I'm aware that dd is not a real life example but it gives me an idea of what to expect
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[16:04] <hurl> I've tried with rbd bench too, it gaves me a 14MB/s bandwidth
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[16:06] <rturk> If you are participating in the Ceph Developer Summit, join #ceph-summit :)
[16:07] <hurl> Cache didn't helped. Maybe my test setup is not optimal at all too; I use btrfs for osd, on the same drive that root
[16:07] <ChrisNBlum> in my experience the output of dd is also highly dependent on the options you choose, so adjusting e.g. the bs should yield different bandwidth results
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[16:08] <hurl> thanks ChrisNBlum for the input. I'm just wondering what to expect in term of performance with "small" setups. I was hoping to use ceph to handle qemu vm
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[16:10] <ChrisNBlum> it depends on your hardware - even with 3 servers (not that I would suggest that :D) ceph can be very fast??? but the hardware has to support it ;)
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[16:12] <ChrisNBlum> start by checking ceph -w if there is something going on in your ceph cluster that keeps it busy before starting your load test - and make sure your journal is on another disc than your OSD???
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[16:17] <hurl> thanks for the tips chris. nothing on the cluster, i've runned ceph -w all along my tests. but yes, the journal is on the same disk than osd. I've hoped that I didn't impact performances too much
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[16:19] <fghaas> actually, qemu *is* multithreaded, so dd is a really poor indicator of qemu performance, with rbd :)
[16:20] <hurl> ok, dd was a bad idea :) any better to give simple idea of throughput ?
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[16:21] <fghaas> the deutsche telekom folks wrote something really useful for fio
[16:21] <hurl> I was using oflag=direct, maybe it's not "real life compliant" too
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[16:21] <fghaas> http://telekomcloud.github.io/ceph/2014/02/26/ceph-performance-analysis_fio_rbd.html
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[16:37] <singler> how can I pass -r parameter to ceph-fuse via fstab?
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[16:50] <rturk> Just in case you aren't aware, CDS Giant is currently happening on #ceph-summit and http://youtu.be/XRlPV1IRFfc
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[17:30] <ptone> stumped on how to get past ceph-disk-activate hanging - whether run by ceph-deploy or locally on the OSD node. Prepare worked fine - I can see the prep files. Tried with folders on boot vol, but also external volumes using path - going to try and use /dev/*** instead of mounted path
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[17:39] <valeech> Anyone know how to get in contact with Chris Holcombe or Robert Blair to discuss the status of their vmware project referenced here: http://ceph.com/community/ceph-over-fibre-for-vmware/
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[17:54] <ksingh> whats the ceph irc channel for giant summit
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[17:57] <ircolle1> ksingh - #ceph-summit
[18:00] <ksingh> ircolle1 : thankx
[18:01] <fghaas> valeech: surely they're both on linkedin?
[18:02] <valeech> fghaas: I would imagine so. Never thought to reach out to them on linkedin. thanks
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[18:33] <ptone> I think I'm narrowing down my problem to the OSD nodes not being able to reach the initial monitor
[18:33] <ptone> host and IP in ceph.conf look good - and I can ssh ok
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[18:34] <ptone> oh - man, I'm dumb - betch it is firewall issues - I'm assuming not all of ceph cluster is using only ssh :-P
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[18:36] <ptone> yup - derp
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[18:41] <dwm> It's worse if you're in an mid-section / eastern timezone. ;-)
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[18:54] <scuttlemonkey> FYI: today and tomorrow are Ceph Developer Summit...so many ceph devs will be in #ceph-summit and occupied
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[19:00] <dwm> scuttlemonkey: Mmm, realised about 20min ago I was in the wrong channel..
[19:01] <scuttlemonkey> hehe
[19:01] <dwm> Hmm, split between #ceph and #ceph-devel now?
[19:01] <scuttlemonkey> no, all summit discussion should be in #ceph-summit
[19:04] <rotbeard> scuttlemonkey, you have a lot of coke in your room! damn
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[19:08] <scuttlemonkey> haha
[19:08] <scuttlemonkey> that gets frequently knocked down :)
[19:08] <scuttlemonkey> and restarted
[19:08] <scuttlemonkey> I don't drink coffee...so that's my caffeination delivery mechanism
[19:08] <rotbeard> i see :P
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[19:23] <calit> hi, will firefly be the next inktank supported release or is dumpling still the way to go?
[19:28] <dalgaaf> since emperor was a dev/community release the next enterprise release would be firefly
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[19:40] <mo-> I understand this to be very bad timing - but.I just noticed why I cannot reform quorum in the cluster. apparantly both surviving mons are in electing mode and as such reject sync from the 3rd mon. is there a clever way to resolve this? preferably one that doesnt involve osd-unavailability...?
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[19:43] <calit> dalgaaf: ok, thanks :) is the rule that every other release is supported?
[19:43] <scuttlemonkey> calit: there is a good diagram somewhere that I seem to have misplaced...but yes, that is the general idea
[19:44] <scuttlemonkey> and the inktank supported version goes live about a month after the stable version release
[19:44] <dalgaaf> jepp .. the roadmap site at the inktank page is unfortunately empty
[19:44] <scuttlemonkey> (ie. firefly launch -> 1 mo of testing -> Inktank Ceph Enterprise "Firefly" release)
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[19:44] <scuttlemonkey> yeah, and Ross isn't around right now to poke in the eye w/ a stick :P
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[19:45] <dalgaaf> Giant would be then again a community release and H again enterprise
[19:45] <calit> ok, thanks :)
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[19:47] <mo-> would it still be possible to get single-incident inktank support for a .61.2 cluster (aforementioned issue)? just checking options
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[19:49] <scuttlemonkey> === CDS Session ?MON: Paxos service relying on hooks" is starting now!
[19:49] <scuttlemonkey> === blueprint: goo.gl?qfPEIv <http://goo.gl/qfPEIv> || pad: goo.gl?4mFHq6 <http://goo.gl/4mFHq6> || video: goo.gl?gCZTkj <http://goo.gl/gCZTkj>
[19:49] <scuttlemonkey> === ping scuttlemonkey if you want to be part of the hangout
[19:53] <calit> mo-: as far as i got the concept right you have 3 mons and tried upgrading to a newer cuttlefish release?
[19:53] <mo-> actually no. 3 mons, 1 died, and now the remaining two are stuck electing
[19:53] <mo-> and as such wont accept sync requests from no.3
[19:55] <mo-> reason for that seems to be that is was decided to add 2 more mons since it seemed improbable to get mon.c back. that obviously cost quorum and its now kinda stuck in a 2/4 situation
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[19:58] <calit> could you remove mon 3 from the cluster map? you could rejoin with it and maybe it could solve your problem?
[19:58] <calit> but usually the 2 mons left should run by themselves anyway
[19:59] <mo-> thing is. I got the paramount condition that osd availability must be maintained. as such I was somewhat hesistant to take mon.b down to be able to inject a smaller monmap
[19:59] <mo-> not even sure whether thatd work with quorum already being lost
[20:02] <mo-> thats somewhat the main problem im afraid. Im not sure how the cluster would behave if I gave one mon from a 2/4 cluster a smaller monmap. whether itd even be accepted or cause even more havoc
[20:03] <calit> mo-: i don't even understand what problem caused your situation, if one mon is removed, lost, etc. the other 2 still have 2/3 qourum and everything is fine?
[20:06] <calit> that's at least whats happening with my setups until now
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[20:06] <mo-> mon b & c ran out of diskspace (15GB each).we were able to get 1GB of space on mon.b back, but mon.c was a lost cause. so thats a 2/3 cluster. it was then decided to add a mon since its only a matter of time until mon.b runs out again
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[20:09] <mo-> and thats basically where its at. 2/4 cluster where the newly added mon didnt sync up
[20:11] <calit> mo-: ok, sounds to me like the monmap data got unclean, but i'm no expert on that subject
[20:12] <mo-> I can see the monmap. the 4th mon actually receives the monmap just fine. only the syncing afterwards fails after 30seconds and the other mons log says "sending client elsewhere"
[20:15] <calit> mo-: have you rechecked that the 'old' mons still have enough disk space? maybe adding the new mon fills the disk again and therefore do not accept the new one?
[20:15] <mo-> yep, checked that
[20:15] <mo-> mon.b is sitting at 91%. otherwise it wouldve suicided at 95%
[20:16] <calit> ok, strange
[20:16] <mo-> this suicide is whats started it all. mons suicide when they reach 95% disk usage
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[20:21] <calit> mo-: i think i would remove the dead mon from the map and try again
[20:21] <calit> since it is dead anyway removing should not worsen the situation
[20:22] <mo-> that kinda leads be back to my previous question. Im not sure how these 2 surviving mons would react if I injected a reduced monmap to one of them
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[20:24] <mo-> it involves downing a mon, so that somewhat of a risk in and of itself, but Im wondering whether theyd eat the new monmap upon its restart
[20:26] <calit> mo-: in my tests 2/3 mons were running a whole cluster for over a month without problem, so i think the critical factor is if the updating puts your fs usage above 95%
[20:27] <mo-> I can see that. Thing that makes me worry is that these 2 mons dont have quorum.
[20:28] <mo-> and as far as I can see, theres no way to get more diskspace for mon.b
[20:28] <calit> mo-: when the offline mon is removed they will have, so there should be nothing to worry about
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[20:29] <calit> mo-: mon b is the one that is offline?
[20:29] <mo-> yes true. maybe Im worrying too much about whether theyd accept the shrunken monmap. thing is, if the new mon would sync and mon.b ran out of space during that, wed be sitting at 1/3
[20:29] <mo-> no a is ok, b is at 91% disk, c is dead (95%)
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[20:30] <calit> ok, i think the safest aproach would be repartitioning c to have more disk space
[20:31] <calit> if that is possible
[20:31] <mo-> I didnt set the whole thing up, but Im given the understanding that the remainder of the disk where mon.c resides is actually being used by an osd, so... probably not
[20:32] <mo-> plus. mon.c has been given a test start during all this, and it seems like he is stuck trying to sync up too
[20:33] <calit> mo-: do you have a spare usb-drive :D
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[20:34] <mo-> I was thinking something like that too. I think this whole thing is being hosted externally so getting a flash drive there would be tricky
[20:35] <calit> fuuhh???
[20:35] <mo-> yea... :/
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[20:37] <calit> are you using lvm for the partitioning? then maybe you could do online-resizing?
[20:37] <mo-> wouldnt that be great?
[20:37] <mo-> also no :D
[20:38] <calit> you could use another node and provide iscsi :D
[20:38] <mo-> hm
[20:38] <calit> rbd would not be the best idea in your situation :D
[20:39] <mo-> tbh Id rather try nfs than iscsi, but TRY being the keyword
[20:39] <mo-> could be an option tho
[20:40] <calit> hm, extended attributes where only needed for the osds?
[20:42] <dwm> I temporarily worked around a full-disk situation on a MON by staging data to a ramdisk.
[20:42] <dwm> Provided you have sufficient redundancy in MONs and/or this is not a production cluster, it works..
[20:43] <mo-> also a nice idea. however this 15GB mon store already exceeds the amount of ram available
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[20:43] <dwm> Hmm, that's a lot.
[20:43] <mo-> sadly, yes
[20:43] <dwm> You might have luck telling the MONs to trim themselves?
[20:43] <dwm> s/tim/compact/
[20:43] <mo-> I had done that very early on. didnt free up any space on mon.b when I did that
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[20:47] <mo-> I dont seem to be able to determine whether the mon datastore needs xattrs too
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[20:48] <calit> mo-: worst case you could create a disk image on nfs and play with losetup ;)
[20:48] <mo-> actually tho... mon.c resides on root, which is mounted as ext4 errors=remount-ro. so no xattr
[20:49] <calit> ok, then nfs should work (in theory)
[20:50] <calit> i think you are the first ever using nfs as storage for a mon :D
[20:50] <mo-> not by choice...
[20:50] <calit> i know ;)
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[20:51] <calit> if it solves your problem it's a nice workaround for the moment
[20:51] <mo-> knowing how the mon stores data would be awesome tho
[20:52] <mo-> that way I could make an educated guess whether re-adding a dead mon would cause more disk usage on the other mons
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[20:53] <calit> i'm no dev, but i think if 2/3 survive it should not matter
[20:54] <mo-> heres the thing. Assume I added disk space to mon.c and it would start resyncing.
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[20:54] <mo-> mon.c now has an outdated datastore. If however this sync would cause more disk usage on mon.b.....
[20:54] <calit> mo-: http://ceph.com/docs/master/architecture/#cluster-map
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[20:56] <mo-> so my guess is that most of the disk space would be the pg map (MDS is not being used)
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[20:59] <calit> sounds logical, would be rather strange to see a mon map with more than 1 GB with 3-5 mons
[20:59] <mo-> idd.
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[21:06] <mo-> not getting responses on the mailing list about it didnt really help either. but thanks for your input and I will now present the options
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[21:08] <calit> mo-: good luck, i think you need it :)
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[22:02] <reed> loicd, you there?
[22:03] <loicd> reed: yes ?
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[23:55] <ponyofdeath> hi, what do i need in ceph.conf for libvirt/kvm and qemu image create to work? the keyring path for the client and an monitor ip?
[23:58] <andreask> http://ceph.com/docs/master/rbd/libvirt/ ... should help
[23:59] <ponyofdeath> yeah been reeding that but that does not seem to mention on how to configure ceph.conf on the kvm node
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