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IRC Log for 2014-02-26

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[1:14] <bens> frustrating day.
[1:15] <bens> $ sudo rados -p volumes ls
[1:15] <bens> rados returned (22) Invalid argument
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[1:15] <bens> what.
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[1:18] <dmick> bens: bad pool name?
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[1:18] <bens> nope.
[1:18] <bens> you saw this last april, tool.
[1:18] <bens> err august
[1:18] <bens> http://irclogs.ceph.widodh.nl/index.php?date=2013-08-03
[1:18] <bens> 3:34
[1:18] <bens> reading to see if you resolved it
[1:19] <bens> yeah, by deleting the pool. :(
[1:19] <dmick> oh, yeah, he suggested that
[1:20] <dmick> was going to be no investigation possible, got to pound off to a resolution, no matter what the cost. ok, I'll stand back
[1:21] <bens> i want to fix this and learn something
[1:21] <bens> any suggestions?
[1:21] <bens> lspools shows those pools.
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[1:21] <bens> in both ceph osd lspools and in rados lspools
[1:21] <bens> i feel like my map is messed up because i am having other troubles, too
[1:23] <dmick> I'd probably try to bump up some debug and watch logs, perhaps on the cmdline for ease of experimentation
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[10:01] <Kioob`Taff> Hi
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[10:01] <Kioob`Taff> is there a way to reduce the load thrown by snapshot removing ?
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[10:05] <Kioob`Taff> I suppose that increasing "osd disk threads" is a very bad idea ?
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[10:14] <Kioob`Taff> the documentation say that "osd disk threads" is used to perform background disk intensive operations, such as scrubbing and snap trimming.
[10:14] <Kioob`Taff> great.
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[10:14] <Kioob`Taff> but, in this article http://ceph.com/community/ceph-bobtail-jbod-performance-tuning/, increasing "osd disk threads" seems valuable for normal use too.
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[11:30] <Kioob`Taff> mmm, if I increase "osd disk thread" to 24, my sequential writes (from bonnie++) jump from 60MB/s to 100MB/s :/
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[14:06] <joshuay04> Question, when doing rados bench write what is considered a good Bandwidth MB/sec for hosting 30 vm? Thanks
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[14:09] <andreask> exactly that bandwith your user don't complain about
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[14:11] <andreask> ... this depends a lot on your usage patterns
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[14:11] <joshuay04> andreask: Users will always complain, I am at the point now where I am getting forced to dismantle ceph/kvm and move to Hyper-V with snapshots. Ceph is running at 90MBs, is this good/worth fighting to keep or is this slow and should make changes to fight of Hyper-V?
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[14:12] <andreask> 90MBs for what? 1 thread, 16 threads, 4MB object size, from the hypervisor host or on an osd?
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[14:13] <joshuay04> that was the result of rados bench -p data 50 write
[14:13] <joshuay04> 5 hosts, 20 osd (20 X 1tb 10K), 10GB nw
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[14:13] <andreask> that is quite low
[14:14] <andreask> ssds for journals?
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[14:14] <joshuay04> Yes, every osd has 20GB journal on 100K IOP ssd
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[14:15] <andreask> how many journals share a ssd?
[14:15] <joshuay04> 4
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[14:15] <andreask> and the ssd can handle that sequential read load?
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[14:16] <joshuay04> OCZ Vector 150 Series
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[14:17] <joshuay04> and the osd backend is WD1000DHTZ
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[14:19] <jerker> The link on the page http://ceph.com/docs/master/install/manual-deployment/ with name "Monitor Config Reference - Data" which leads to http://ceph.com/docs/master/rados/configuration/monitor-config-ref#data is a 404
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[14:20] <andreask> joshuay04: have you seen the ssds utilization being a problem during benchmarks ( e.g. in iostat ...)
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[14:21] <andreask> joshuay04: 2 or your SATA disks seem to be able to saturate one SSD in worst case ... according to specs ...
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[14:22] <joshuay04> so should I raid 0 my disks into 10 osd? iostat for ssd is around 200
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[14:26] <andreask> joshuay04: I mean you should verify if the SSDs are not at 100% utilization ... 200?
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[14:27] <joshuay04> oh 4%
[14:27] <darkfader> 200 iops
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[14:27] <andreask> while benchmarking?
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[14:27] <joshuay04> 1 sec let me perform another
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[14:29] <joshuay04> 6%
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[14:34] <andreask> and also the SATA disks are bored?
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[14:34] <joshuay04> yes, not never above 20%
[14:35] <joshuay04> and network iperf gives me just about 10GB between all hosts
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[14:35] <darkfader> 10GB or 10MB?
[14:35] <joshuay04> so I have no idea why it is running so slow?
[14:35] <joshuay04> GB
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[14:35] <darkfader> ah, i see as max bw
[14:35] <jerker> is there any other fs than zfs that supports compression? do ceph in itself support compression now?
[14:35] <darkfader> is *anything* not idling during that bench?
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[14:36] <darkfader> i.e. cpu on the mon?
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[14:37] <joshuay04> lately using htop I have seen the cpu (E3 quad 3.3Ghz) read 80% during random times, lasts maybe 30 min then goes back down
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[14:37] <joshuay04> normally at any moment the whole cluster gets between 200 - 800 OP/s
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[14:39] <joshuay04> However during high CPU times the osd is consuming 100% cpu
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[14:40] <andreask> joshuay04: and the OSD processes consume that cpu?
[14:40] <joshuay04> yes
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[14:42] <andreask> what numbers give: ceph tell osd.0 bench .... assuming you have an osd.0 ...
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[14:43] <joshuay04> All 20 come back around the same, i did one by one last night. - bytes_per_sec": "49147615.000000
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[14:43] <andreask> oh ... thats low
[14:44] <joshuay04> I know, but how could 20 raptors all go bad at the same time?
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[14:44] <andreask> I'd give different journal options a try
[14:44] <joshuay04> what kind of option?
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[14:45] <andreask> changing usage of direct and async io
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[14:45] <joshuay04> what is it by default?
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[14:48] <andreask> puh ... best to check via admin socket
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[14:49] <joshuay04> Do I make the change in ceph.conf?
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[14:51] <andreask> If you like, you can change the setting only for one osd in ceph.conf and restart only that osd and rerun the osd bench
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[14:53] <joshuay04> what would be the exact command to put into ceph.conf for osd.3?
[14:53] <joshuay04> Sorry I get very scared when working in ceph.conf
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[14:57] <andreask> like "journal_dio = false" and "journal_aio = false"
[14:57] <joshuay04> how do I apply that to only 1 osd?
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[14:57] <andreask> write it only to that osd section in the ceph.conf on that node
[14:57] <joshuay04> my current ceph.conf only has global section
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[14:58] <janos> you'd need a section headed with [osd.3]
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[14:59] <andreask> yep .. just add it below the global settings
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[14:59] <joshuay04> Ok 1 sec let me give it a try
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[15:03] <joshuay04> I use both at the same time correct?
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[15:04] <andreask> one possible scenario, yes
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[15:04] <Kioob`Taff> (14:35:51) jerker: is there any other fs than zfs that supports compression? do ceph in itself support compression now? <== btrfs. And ceph OSD can use btrfs as a backend, but not sure it's production ready.
[15:04] <jerker> Am i just totally lost or where are the cephfs-module-install-instructions on the webpage?
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[15:05] <andreask> jerker: cephfs module comes with your kernel
[15:05] <jerker> andreask: yeah right?
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[15:05] <jerker> modprobe ceph FATAL Module ceph not found.
[15:05] <jerker> CentOS 6
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[15:05] <andreask> well
[15:05] <jerker> :)
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[15:06] <andreask> use an upstream kernel
[15:06] <jerker> or cephfs or rdb or whatever
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[15:06] <jerker> So no kernel module soruces or DKMS from ceph?
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[15:06] <andreask> no
[15:06] <jerker> :(
[15:07] <janos> centos is its own alien world
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[15:07] <andreask> havent tried the rhel 7 beta ....
[15:07] <janos> i like centos, but it's the same deal with many other pakcages, like kvm
[15:07] <jerker> janos: indeed, but RHEL/SL/CentOS is what is mostly run in the HPC area
[15:07] <joshuay04> ok just made change and benched bytes_per_sec": "54020407.000000"
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[15:08] <joshuay04> that was using both flags
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[15:08] <janos> that's still not too hot
[15:08] <janos> about 50MB/s?
[15:08] <joshuay04> yes not so good
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[15:08] <andreask> joshuay04: try only disabling dio
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[15:09] <joshuay04> I have both dio and aio as false
[15:09] <jerker> There is something fishy with the manual instructions for installing ceph. I get error when creating leveldb for the mon. However, running ceph-deploy seems to work fine. More tested maybe.
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[15:09] <joshuay04> oh only
[15:09] <joshuay04> 1 sec
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[15:10] <topro> FYI, I'm getting "bytes_per_sec": "59172050.000000" on a 10k velociraptor with default aio dio settings over here (journal on same disk as osd)
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[15:11] <joshuay04> So you are dio only has me lower, bytes_per_sec": "48893174.000000
[15:11] <jerker> andreask: it is then not so easy to both run ZFS and Ceph kernel client on the same server...
[15:11] <andreask> have here "bytes_per_sec": "74554511.000000" with 7200rpm SATA and journal on (not so fast) SSD
[15:11] <jerker> andreask: if one is depending on both
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[15:11] <joshuay04> hmmm I wonder if it is a raptor issue
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[15:12] <joshuay04> topro what do you get for average MB/s when you do rados bench -p data 50 write?
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[15:13] <topro> only cephfs over here so not sure if rados bench would work
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[15:14] <andreask> jerker: sorry, can't follow you
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[15:15] <joshuay04> topro: it should. What is your hardware config?
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[15:15] <topro> 3 hosts, 3 mon, 9 osd
[15:15] <joshuay04> all osd raptors?
[15:16] <topro> yes
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[15:16] <joshuay04> what about nw?
[15:16] <topro> 10k 500gb 2.5"
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[15:16] <topro> nw?
[15:16] <joshuay04> network connecting them
[15:16] <topro> network?
[15:16] <topro> 2x 1gb per host
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[15:16] <joshuay04> and you havent run rados bench?
[15:17] <topro> where 1 is public and one is ceph network
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[15:17] <topro> i did once doing performance estimation, but that has been a long time ago ;)
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[15:17] <jerker> andreask: ZFS depend on using the normal RHEL/CentOS/SL kernels to be running smoothly. Ceph depend on using an kernel.org kernel to get everything. I want to run Ceph on existing SL+ZFS boxes.
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[15:18] <joshuay04> any chance you could do a quick 50 write? I would like to see if we are around the same since we have same drives
[15:18] <janos> does that bench cleanup after itself?
[15:18] <joshuay04> yes
[15:18] <janos> nice
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[15:18] <joshuay04> if you want no cleanup use --no-cleanup at end
[15:18] <jerker> andreask: it seems like someone built packaged kernels for CentOS at Elrepo but I don't know if those work fine with ZFS. :(
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[15:19] <andreask> jerker: if you don't need cephfs you can run a rhel kernel
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[15:19] <jerker> I want cephfs.
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[15:20] <jerker> Its the only thing for me :) both for HPC and for backing up clients...
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[15:20] <topro> joshuay04: did a "rados bench -p data 50 write"
[15:20] <topro> Bandwidth (MB/sec): 49.723
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[15:20] <topro> maxing all osd raptors to 100% busy
[15:20] <janos> my cobbled together home cluster - Bandwidth (MB/sec): 84.884
[15:20] <janos> and i do mean cobbled
[15:20] <jerker> andreask: I can however run cephfs on another dedicated machine, but that is so ugly.
[15:20] <topro> but remember I have no ssds for journal
[15:20] <joshuay04> That is what I am getting, around 85 MB/s
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[15:21] <andreask> jerker: I think some people tried zfs with rados but don't think this is somwhow official supported ... and cephfs is "not ready but nearly there"
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[15:22] <joshuay04> janos: you are using 1GB nics right?
[15:22] <topro> so at least I know my bottleneck is disk I/O
[15:22] <jerker> andreask: I know that is not ready yet but this is my annual lets try ceph again.
[15:22] <janos> yep
[15:22] <andreask> jerker: ok ... see you next year ;-)
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[15:22] <joshuay04> So it appears as if purchasing 10GB network is not worth it. All of my hosts are using bonded 10GB cat 6 and I am still at 85MB/s
[15:22] <janos> man how i wish 10G gear was home-priced ;)
[15:22] <jerker> andreask: NAY wrong answer!
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[15:23] <topro> andreask: come on, I'm using cephfs rather succesful in production environment. quite stable since 0.72.2
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[15:24] <andreask> topro: I know, if you use it within some limits it works fine
[15:24] <jerker> Have the CTDB and Samba folks made any progress since last spring?
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[15:24] <topro> stick with only one active MDS i.e.
[15:24] <andreask> ... but definitely not on a rhel 6 kernel
[15:24] <jerker> topro: i believe is may be stable enough for me for the moment, at least for testing.
[15:25] <joshuay04> So the end question comes to should I raid 0 my raptors into 10 OSD or have then all standalone at 20 OSD?
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[15:25] <janos> i prefer to keep it as simple as possible
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[15:25] <janos> 1 osd = 1 drive
[15:25] <jerker> andreask: any kernel with both ZFS and Ceph would be fine. Gah. I was just hopeing for some prepackaged stuff.
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[15:26] <janos> jerker, is your nick a reference to the desk?
[15:26] <topro> jerker: use kernel 3.14 or at least 3.13. anything below will blast your cephfs for sure
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[15:26] <andreask> joshuay04: so no luck with journal options?
[15:26] <jerker> janos: the desk is a reference to my name :-)
[15:26] <janos> haha
[15:26] <joshuay04> andreask: no, it didn;t make much difference
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[15:27] <jerker> janos: but is it actually better nowadays that english speaking folks make references to the desk rather to the english verb
[15:27] <janos> oh yes, very much so
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[15:28] <topro> joshuay04: i dont think this is a raptor issue as my raptors get used up to 100%. if you cannot see any component on your cluster going to 100% usage (cpu, IO, netw. bandwidth, ..) i would think about a latency issue, maybe
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[15:28] <andreask> joshuay04: whats your kernel and osd fs?
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[15:29] <joshuay04> That could be it, is it true 10GB has much higher lat than 1gb? XFS Linux version 3.8.0-31-generic
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[15:29] <andreask> you mean lower latency?
[15:30] <topro> AFAIK 10GB has even lower latency than 1GB
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[15:30] <andreask> definitely
[15:30] <jerker> topro: I have to options I guess - dont bother running cephfs on the same machine that is running ZFS (gahhh i hate extra physical machines or VMs running Samba/etc) or build a custom kernel with ZFS and Ceph modules (which in the long run is heavy maintenance since currently a "yum -y update" will fix everyghing) Grrrr.
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[15:30] <joshuay04> during rados bench Average Latency: 0.904994
[15:30] <jerker> s/to/two/
[15:30] <kraken> jerker meant to say: twopro: I have two options I guess - dont bother running cephfs on the same machine that is running ZFS (gahhh i hate extra physical machines or VMs running Samba/etc) or build a custwom kernel with ZFS and Ceph modules (which in the long run is heavy maintenance since currently a "yum -y update" will fix everyghing) Grrrr.
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[15:31] <joshuay04> topro: what was your Average Latency
[15:31] <topro> jerker: you could also get rid of ZFS
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[15:31] <janos> ugh can someone kick davidzlap?
[15:31] <topro> joshuay04: ping latency?
[15:31] <janos> and ban for a while
[15:31] <jerker> topro: then I wont get compression and checksums on a stable file system
[15:31] <joshuay04> no from rados bench results
[15:31] <janos> the constant jion/parts
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[15:32] <jerker> and I was hoping to run Ceph on the same boxes as I am currently running rsync-to-zfs backups on....
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[15:32] <topro> joshuay04: Average Latency: 1.28105
[15:32] <topro> jerker: well, thats a point
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[15:33] <jerker> Did anyone know if there are any reasonably current plans to include compression in Ceph itself?
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[15:36] <andreask> joshuay04: your journals are on raw partions, correct?
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[15:36] <jerker> There might be the option of running a VM with XFS on top of a block device in ZFS that is running the OSDs, but then the installation is getting too complicated. It should be stable though.
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[15:37] <topro> jerker: isn't there a more recent kernel for centos supporting ZFS and CEPHFS?
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[15:38] <jerker> topro: There is the Elrepo repository that seem to be supporting Ceph but I have not tried the ZFS DKMS packages with those kernels.
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[15:38] <topro> whats the stock kernel with centos6?
[15:38] <topro> ^version
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[15:38] <jerker> 2.6.32-358.23.2.el6.x86_64
[15:39] <topro> aehm... ok
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[15:40] <topro> and i thought debian was late on versions ;)
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[15:40] <topro> s/late/conservative/
[15:40] <kraken> topro meant to say: and i thought debian was conservative on versions ;)
[15:40] <andreask> that kernel is far away from a stock 2.6.32 ....
[15:40] <joshuay04> andreask: yes all raw
[15:40] <jerker> Fitting new hardware and drivers into SL/CentOS have always been a pain, but then with DKMS at least there is a workable solution.
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[15:41] <jerker> I thought it stood for "Dell kernel module support" in the beginning but that might have been some kind of pun.
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[15:42] <joshuay04> does anyone here get anything significantly higher for MB/s when running rados bench?
[15:42] <topro> jerker: and I thought 'd' would refer to debian, but actually it is 'dynamic'
[15:42] <jerker> strange
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[15:42] <jerker> who whould have thought
[15:43] <andreask> joshuay04: sure, though not with such a small setup
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[15:44] <joshuay04> So should I put more money into additional disks? Right now I have 20B of space and I am using 4
[15:44] <joshuay04> TB
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[15:44] <joshuay04> I don't want to import additional KVM machines until the speed issue is addressed
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[15:45] <andreask> you have 3 copies for your pools?
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[15:45] <joshuay04> 2
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[15:45] <andreask> oh
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[15:47] <andreask> some more numbers: ~630MB/s with two servers, 4 samsung ssds each 4 journals on it, 16 osd disks per server, 2x10Gbit (LACP) for each network (public, cluster)
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[15:48] <jerker> thank you all for your help today, have to rethink strategy if ZFS wont fit. :(
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[15:48] <andreask> ... though with that disks we only got performance with journals as files on the ssd disks not with raw partitions
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[15:48] <janos> andreask? are the mons on those two machines or separate?
[15:49] <andreask> 3 separate mons
[15:49] <janos> how beefy are they?
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[15:49] <andreask> nothing special
[15:49] <janos> cool, glad to ehar that
[15:49] <janos> *hear
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[15:50] <topro> would running MONs on same host as OSDs imply performance issues?
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[15:50] <janos> it could, but running anything has some perf drain
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[15:50] <topro> ^^ while MONs and OSDs have seperate disks
[15:50] <janos> i'm not sure how much though
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[15:51] <topro> ok
[15:51] <andreask> not recommended when it comes to high load on osds ... that can affect complete cluster stabilitiy
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[15:52] <andreask> joshuay04: hmm ... your xfs mount options?
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[15:52] <joshuay04> all default
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[15:57] <andreask> joshuay04: not even a chance there is 1gb network involved?
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[15:58] <joshuay04> no chance, 0.0-10.0 sec 9.64 GBytes 8.28 Gbits/sec
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[16:04] <saturnine> IS there a way to only have ceph report the usable space to a client?
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[16:06] <saturnine> e.g., ceph os pool set-quota <pool>, user --cap osd rwx pool=<pool>
[16:06] <saturnine> Client only sees quota of <pool> as being usable
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[16:26] <madkiss> loicd: do you have a direct contact number of luis lavile?
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[16:41] <joshuay04> Ok so planning on adding a new server then. Should I use (8) 300GB 15K at $300 or (8) 900GB SSD at $500. Which can handle the load better a consumer ssd or enterprise 15K?
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[17:05] <joshuay04> What is the best ssd to use as an osd?
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[17:15] <dmsimard> 900GB SSD at 500$ ? You have to tell me where you're buying these :)
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[17:18] <joshuay04> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148696
[17:18] <joshuay04> Would this be a good ssd to use for an osd?
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[17:18] <janos> i think you get more bang for your buck using ssd's as journals and getting bigger, slower spinners as the osd's
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[17:21] <dmsimard> joshuay04: Dang, consumer SSDs are getting affordable ..
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[17:22] <joshuay04> janos: i would agree however this 1tb ssd is the same price as a spinning 1tb disk... so would this ssd keep up?
[17:22] <joshuay04> dmsimard: Samsung has a good 1tb one also
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[17:22] <janos> i assume you mean a spinning 15k 1tb?
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[17:23] <janos> if same price, then yeah, go for it
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[17:23] <dmsimard> janos, joshuay04: With firefly they're bringing tiering to ceph, so you could have slow disks for data and SSDs in a cache tier for warm data.. a bit like SSD caching for desktops
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[17:23] <fghaas> joshuay04: I'll almost guarantee that in the long run (i.e. after 6 months), that SSD will be nowhere near its spec performance
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[17:24] <joelio> feasible to create another host alias/bind another IP and use the same system service OSD spinners, to create an SSD only pool. Or do they have to be sperate systems?
[17:24] <joshuay04> fghaas: that is what I was thinking, in the long run maybe 10K sas is still better?
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[17:24] <janos> fghaas: is that correctable? ie: decommisioning it, wiping, recommissioning?
[17:24] <fghaas> janos, I appreciate your satire
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[17:25] <janos> well i wasn't sure if it was a fragmentation issue, or an intrinsic hardware issue
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[17:25] <janos> sounds like hamburger #2
[17:25] <fghaas> joshuay04: in the long run getting a decent (but smaller) enterprise SSD plus a big fat slow spinner is currently your best option
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[17:25] <fghaas> do not, repeat do not, put a consumer SSD in a Ceph OSD
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[17:26] <joshuay04> crap maybe that is why my cluster is running slow. I have a consumer 100K iop ssd for the journal
[17:26] <joshuay04> Been running for 1 year
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[17:27] <fghaas> joshuay04: "ceph osd tell X bench" is your friend
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[17:29] <joshuay04> right, earlier today a bunch of nice people helped me to see how slow my raptors are running. I wonder if it is because the journal ssd has degraded
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[17:48] <joshuay04> fghaas: can you recommend a good ssd for a journal?
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[18:05] <mo-> Hi, Im currently looking at a ceph mon which is failing to start for unknown reasons. the ceph-mon.log file says "AdminSocket: request 'mon_status' not defined" once per second while the other terminal appears to be stuck at "Starting ceph mon ..."
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[18:25] <mo-> ok so that AdminSocket message doesnt appear anymore, but the mon is still stuck at starting, log doesnt say anything apart from the usual "process ceph-mon, pid soandso"
[18:26] <mo-> I tried starting it with -d before, no output whatsoever besides aforementioned pid line there either
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[18:58] <hasues> When I deploy my first monitor in a ceph cluster, it looks like it completes but then it states Unhandled exception in thread started by Error in sys.excepthook
[18:59] <hasues> Is this a firewall issue? When the monitor is deployed, does the host that runs ceph-deploy expect to communicate to this host via a certain port?
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[19:24] <pmatulis_> hasues: there is MON:MON and MON:OSD and OSD:OSD communication. and, yes, they use certain ports
[19:24] <hasues> pmatulis_: should OSDs communicate to other OSDs with the passwordless ssh key for the user account as well?
[19:24] <pmatulis_> hasues: no
[19:25] <hasues> thanks!
[19:25] <hasues> pmatulis_: So upon issuing "ceph-deploy mon create <node1>", does the host issuing mon create attempt to communicate to those ports?
[19:26] <pmatulis_> hasues: no
[19:26] <hasues> drat
[19:27] * hasues scratches head.
[19:27] <pmatulis_> hasues: but you could invoke tcpdump to make sure. my understanding is that ceph-deploy host, what i call the admin host, just uses ssh to issue command remotely
[19:27] <hasues> I don't understand why I'm getting this exception then.
[19:27] <pmatulis_> hasues: what distro?
[19:27] <hasues> CentOS
[19:28] <pmatulis_> hasues: ugh, try 'buntu
[19:28] <hasues> oh lord.
[19:29] <hasues> pmatulis_: Hey, if Ceph is only going to Ubuntu, then it shouldn't have packages listed for other platforms :)
[19:29] <janos> it's fine on fedora too
[19:29] <pmatulis_> hasues: not saying that bruh
[19:29] <janos> which is what i would recommend to stay in the same vein as centos
[19:30] <janos> centos/RHEL is its own creature
[19:30] <pmatulis_> hasues: just that if it works on buntu then you have a valuable datapoint that could help diagnose things
[19:31] <mo-> do you guys have some rough figures on the space required for a mon? because I am seeing the mons of a 3-node cluster using 16gig of space each for only 6x80GB of total used osd data across the cluster
[19:32] <pmatulis_> mo-: sounds like a lot indeed. do you have debugging dialed up? where does that used space reside?
[19:33] <mo-> var/lib/ceph/mon/mon-b/store.db
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[19:34] <mo-> doing a debug run now. since the mon will crash in a minute anyhow
[19:35] <SvenPHX1> trying to setup a rados gateway and i have the user side of it working, but I am trying to write code to administer users and whatnot via the API
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[19:35] <pmatulis_> mo-: i have 17 MB store.db on a monitor with a cluster of this status:
[19:35] <pmatulis_> 25555 MB used, 32745 MB / 58301 MB avail
[19:35] <SvenPHX1> I believe I've worked out the URI for the admin, but I don't know/can't seem to find what the admin credentials would be
[19:36] <SvenPHX1> I wish there was an example or something I could plagiarize in the documentation
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[19:37] <SvenPHX1> I can administer users using the radosgw-admin utility of course, but that's not ideal for a commercial service
[19:38] <SvenPHX1> any pointers?
[19:38] <mo-> pmatulis_: I also tried starting the mon with --compact. It didnt terminate itself for the lack of space, but it didnt free up any space either
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[19:43] <mo-> any ideas on how to shrink the mon cache/db?
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[19:51] <mo-> also. any idea what to do when ceph-mon -i something -d doesnt output ANYTHING but an initial pid line?
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[20:01] <hasues> Hm, so essentially, when ceph-deploy mon create <node1> runs, it has issues running the sudo ceph command to check the monitor status.
[20:01] <hasues> oh, this is relating to my issue earlier.
[20:03] <hasues> If I run it on the host itself it is fine.
[20:08] <pmatulis_> hasues: prolly a sudo configuration issue on the remote end then. the ssh-connecting user needs passwordless sudo
[20:10] <hasues> pmatulis_: Oh it has that, but it the sudoers config does not need to have requiretty in the config, and that wasn't in the preflight checklist. So I'm curious if there is more needed there.
[20:13] <hasues> Eh, that sentence didn't make sense. Essentially having "Defaults requiretty" was causing issues in sudoers
[20:13] <hasues> But there is something else as well, I guess.
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[20:14] <dmick> hasues: the other common candidate is visiblepw
[20:14] <dmick> (default is !, should be no-!)
[20:15] <hasues> dmick: I had just commented that out, but it sounds as if you are more versed in sudoers than I am, so a "Defaults no-!visiblepw" is what I should have?
[20:16] <dmick> no no
[20:16] <dmick> remove the '!'
[20:16] <dmick> and always edit sudoers with visudo, because if you screw up you can make a situation that's hard to get out of
[20:17] <hasues> dmick: good tip.
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[20:17] <dmick> ask me how I know.
[20:17] * darkfader is gonna bring some extra beers to ceph day tomorrow
[20:17] <hasues> dmick: ha! sounds like my experience with PAM
[20:18] <darkfader> helps against sudo ;)
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[20:29] <JoeGruher> still no ubuntu 13.10 support? is the plan to just skip to 14.04?
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[20:31] <mo-> thing is, 13.10 is completely worthless with its support lifespan being shorter than 12.10's
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[20:35] <pmatulis_> JoeGruher: what do you mean by support?
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[20:37] <pmatulis_> mo-: that's not true
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[20:45] <JoeGruher> pmatulis
[20:45] <JoeGruher> oops
[20:45] <JoeGruher> pmatulis_, i guess i just mean being recommended, per http://ceph.com/docs/master/start/os-recommendations/
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[20:53] <pmatulis_> JoeGruher: ok
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[21:15] <dereky> so I have been trying to get my ceph/openstack integration working (cinder and glance are working) but when trying to startup a rbd backed instance on nova-compute I am getting a failure of running 'rbd -p volumes ls' which is because it doesn't have the right cephx authentication which I know
[21:16] <dereky> i have a cephx file /etc/ceph/ceph.client.volumes.keyring and configured nova-compute's nova.conf with rbd_user=volumes
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[21:17] <dereky> and I can run 'rbd --id volumes -p volumes ls' and it will return the volumes list
[21:18] <dereky> does the nova-compute node need to have a admin cephx secret? because without specifying the --id it will default to admin correct?
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[21:55] <cmdrk> hi all, anyone ever see this problem before?
[21:55] <cmdrk> error: unpacking of archive failed on file /usr/lib64/librados.so.2.0.0;530e5368: cpio: read librados2-0.72.2-0.el6.x86_64 was supposed to be removed but is not!
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[21:56] <cmdrk> I'm trying to upgrade my testbed from 0.72.2 to 0.77. curious error
[21:57] <cmdrk> http://fpaste.org/80692/44825313/
[21:58] <cmdrk> easily worked around, but most curious
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[22:10] <joshd> dereky: that and a few other issues with ephemeral rbd in havana are fixed in https://github.com/jdurgin/nova/commits/havana-ephemeral-rbd
[22:21] <dereky> joshd: thanks I will check this out
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[22:27] <zoltan> hi guys
[22:27] <zoltan> let's say I'd like to change my replication to occur between racks - put one copy of the data into one rack and the other copy into the other rack
[22:27] <zoltan> to achieve this is it enough to change the crush rules from "step chooseleaf firstn 0 type host" to "step chooseleaf firstn 0 type rack"? :-)
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[22:37] <bandrus> zoltan: yes. Make sure you have enough racks to equal or exceed n replicas, or you will have to get more complicated with your crush rules to place a few copies in one rack, and the remaining in the other.
[22:38] <zoltan> my current problem is that initially I had 2 hosts each with 8xSSDs but we have started running out of space
[22:38] <zoltan> and while in the second node I can add more disks (it has space up to 24), in the first node I cannot
[22:39] <zoltan> so what I'm trying to do is to add a 3rd server, treat the two small nodes as one "failure zone", and put one copy into any of that 2 and one copy into the other 24-drive system
[22:40] <zoltan> just until my other storage boxes arrive...
[22:40] <bandrus> zoltan: should be fine, just place your nodes in your desired virtual racks in the crush map. also keep in mind that changing your crush rule in that manner will result in a large amount of data movement
[22:41] <zoltan> yeah, moving data is fine
[22:41] <zoltan> I generally see data shuffling in the >500MB/s range
[22:41] <zoltan> so it's fine
[22:41] <zoltan> and they are over 10GbE
[22:44] <zoltan> so for a short period of time while the old ruleset is in effect it will actually go into a very degraded state (since it will need to have the copy inside the rack, right?)
[22:45] <zoltan> but then after assigning the pools to the ruleset it should start to get better?
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[22:52] <zoltan> is it better to add a new rule for this or just to edit the current ruleset?
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[23:08] <bandrus> zoltan: doesn't particularly matter if you retain the original rule or not - up to you. As far as the cluster going degraded - yes, it will need to recalculate placements based on your newly defined rules.
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[23:15] <zoltan> but I should not loose any availability while it is moving data around due to this, right?
[23:15] <zoltan> it services quite a bit of VMs :-)
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[23:19] <zoltan> and currently if you select the leafs of a "host" you get osds
[23:19] <zoltan> if you select leafs of a rack, you'll get hosts
[23:19] <zoltan> is that a problem?
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[23:29] <bandrus> chooseleaf from type rack would still be device (osd). The leaf node is always the lowest denomination in the hierarchy. You may experience degraded performance as a result of your entire cluster reshuffling data. You might want to give more priority to client ops vs recovery.
[23:29] <bandrus> zoltan: ^
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[23:31] <bandrus> if you were to use choose (not chooseleaf), it would simply select the bucket-type you specify
[23:31] <zoltan> but I do want chooseleaf then. :-)
[23:32] <bandrus> likely
[23:32] <zoltan> ok, thanks
[23:32] <zoltan> I'll give it a try soon
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[23:53] <zoltan> ok, it started rebalancing
[23:53] <zoltan> ~1GB/s isn't bad
[23:53] <zoltan> :-)
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