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IRC Log for 2013-03-29

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[0:00] <sjustlaptop> yeah, that makes sense
[0:00] <sjustlaptop> 56.4 should improve that behavior
[0:00] <Kioob> �stuck peering� problem ?
[0:01] <sjustlaptop> PerlStalker, Kioob: we weren't trimming pg log entries while the pg was unclean
[0:01] <sjustlaptop> this was necessary prior to backfill, but now we can trim more freely
[0:01] <sjustlaptop> in 56.4 and master, we do
[0:02] <Kioob> ok, I will try to deploy 0.56.4 then
[0:02] <Kioob> thanks :)
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[0:05] <Kioob> I have very "erratic" performances... but don't know if it's because of my hardware, my network (my provider is... "joker" that week...), snapshots, or just a bad setup. Not easy to debug that stack
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[0:23] <pioto> so, cephfs... it seems that, while you can set a different pool for the data for some sub-tree, and thus can restrict read access to their actual file contents, there seems to be no way to limit access to metadata, am i right?
[0:25] <pioto> so if, say, you had a shared ceph cluster where many different servers were given different subtrees of their own... you couldn't do anything to stop them from effectively deleteing all the rest of the data in the entire filesystem
[0:25] <pioto> by destroying metadata
[0:25] <pioto> as soon as they gain access to their own secret
[0:25] <pioto> right?
[0:25] <pioto> but, with rados and rbd, you can totally compartmentalize someone in a pool, and avoid this, right?
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[0:38] <gregaf1> right ploto, but the mdses should all be trusted anyway
[0:39] <PerlStalker> Does that mean that there can be exactly one cephfs in a cluster?
[0:40] <gregaf1> yes, as it currently stands
[0:41] <PerlStalker> okay
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[0:41] <pioto> gregaf1: yeah, the mds's are trusted
[0:41] <pioto> it's the clients' that aren't
[0:42] <pioto> imagine you're trying to provide storage for some VPS
[0:42] <pioto> and that VPS gets compromised
[0:42] <pioto> currently, that means any other CephFS data from any other VPS is now compromised, too
[0:43] <gregaf1> yeah, but the clients don't access the metadata pool
[0:43] <pioto> they do get unrestrtirected access to mds, though.
[0:43] <pioto> example....
[0:43] <pioto> $ ceph auth list
[0:43] <pioto> client.myvps
[0:43] <pioto> caps: [mds] allow
[0:43] <pioto> caps: [mon] allow r
[0:43] <pioto> caps: [osd] allow rw pool myvps
[0:43] <gregaf1> ah, yeah
[0:44] <gregaf1> that is a hole
[0:44] <pioto> yes, a gaping one, i think
[0:44] <pioto> local root compromises aren't that hard to come by
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[0:45] <pioto> so, while i normally would just have something like: mount -t ceph -o name=myvps,secretfile=... [monips]:/myvps /mnt
[0:45] <pioto> and that's all good
[0:45] <pioto> as soon as they get root, or otherwise snoop the secret file
[0:45] <gregaf1> CephFS is neither production-ready nor a hardened system; that sort of thing will come farther along in development ;)
[0:46] <pioto> yeah.
[0:46] <pioto> well. i wish it said that more promanently in the docs...
[0:46] <pioto> would've saved me some time :\
[0:46] <pioto> unfotrunately, i haven't had much luck finding anything else that seems to fill that gap well either
[0:47] <pioto> i don't think nfs can scale in the way i need it to
[0:47] <pioto> even this doesn't very clearly say "this isn't production ready" http://ceph.com/dev-notes/cephfs-mds-status-discussion/
[0:48] <pioto> so... well, if you can recommend anything else that may fill a similar role to cephfs... i'd appreciate it
[0:48] <pioto> in a "let several VPSs potentially share the same data, but others not have any access to it, all in a POSIX filesystem candy shell"
[0:49] <gregaf1> GlusterFS might, depending on what you need?
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[0:49] <sjustlaptop> is there a way to pass a host directory tree to a guest os?
[0:49] <sjustlaptop> in qemu?
[0:49] <sjustlaptop> that would get around the trusted vm problem
[0:50] <pioto> hm
[0:50] <pioto> well. you mean like rbd
[0:50] <pioto> but, in a sharable way
[0:50] <pioto> hrm
[0:50] <sjustlaptop> no, I mean a tree mounted on the host
[0:50] <sjustlaptop> meh, there isn't a way to do that
[0:50] <dmick> guestfs lets you go the other way: write into the guest's fs (and god help you if the guest is running at the time, I assume)
[0:51] <sjustlaptop> short of spinning up an actually trusted vm and samba/nfs sharing a cephfs sub tree
[0:51] <pioto> yeah. guestfs has other uses
[0:51] <pioto> but i don't think it fills this need
[0:51] <pioto> it looks very useful for spinning up new nodes quickly
[0:51] <dmick> I'm surprised that there isn't a "export host subtree to VM" mech, actually
[0:51] <pioto> well, maybe ppl just run nfsd on their host, and have the guest mount that?
[0:51] <joshd1> look up virtio-9p
[0:52] <sjustlaptop> see, if we could hook libcephfs into that...
[0:52] <pioto> huh....
[0:52] <sjustlaptop> ahah, cool
[0:52] <pioto> intriguing
[0:52] <pioto> thanks, joshd1
[0:52] <pioto> i may not have to give up on ceph yet :)
[0:52] <joshd1> :)
[0:53] <dmick> surprise ameliorated: achievement unlocked
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[0:56] <pioto> yes. 9p looks very promising. thank you
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[0:57] <pioto> so basically, your VPS hosts have access to both rbd and cephfs, and your VPS guests have direct access to neither
[0:57] <joshd1> you're welcome. it doesn't get enough attention imo
[0:57] <pioto> what doesn't, 9p?
[0:57] <joshd1> yeah
[0:58] <pioto> well... that may mean it may not work well either.... but, it seems like it's much more restricted in scope, so hopefully the implementaiton doesn't have to be as complex
[0:58] <joshd1> I'm not sure how well it performs or anything, and it does require guest support... but it's pretty useful
[1:00] <pioto> at a glance, a sample guest has the kernel module for it
[1:00] <pioto> so, it may fit. thanks again.
[1:00] <sjustlaptop> joshd1: do you know how whether the filesystem provider could be plausibly swapped out for libcephfs?
[1:02] <pioto> it may be... i think it's this setting in libvirt... http://libvirt.org/formatdomain.html#elementsFilesystems
[1:02] <pioto> looks like it already has "options"
[1:03] <joshd1> sjustlaptop: I think it would require rewriting a bunch of the 9p driver in qemu. doesn't look like there's a separate backend concept, it just uses whatever fs you point it at
[1:03] <sjustlaptop> ah
[1:03] <sjustlaptop> bummer
[1:04] <joshd1> oh, maybe it does actually
[1:04] <sjustlaptop> I would have guessed that they would have anticipated wanting to slap a cifs or nfs client there
[1:05] <joshd1> why? they could just interact with those via posix
[1:05] <sjustlaptop> true
[1:05] <joshd1> looks like there's synth, dummy, local, and handle, so no other real backends so far
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[14:03] <BillK> what kernel version supports rbd images format 2?
[14:03] <BillK> and can images be converted?
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[14:33] <elder> BillK version 2 image features (layering) are not yet supported in kernel RBD.
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[15:02] <loicd> sjust: LFN
[15:02] <loicd> ooops :-D sorry.
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[15:03] <loicd> I was about to say that I would appreciate a quick look at https://github.com/ceph/ceph/pull/161
[15:04] <loicd> just to let me know if I'm in the right direction
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[15:22] <lxo> does a pool min_size affect how soon an osd can confirm an operation as completed and committed?
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[15:23] <lxo> I ask because I am re-creating a couple of metadata-only OSDs, that held 2 out of 3 online replicas, and the filesystem came to a complete halt even though they're now both online and recovering
[15:24] <lxo> I suspect it has to do with the fact that they're degraded and backfilling, so the current master won't complete the operations before it the objects make to at least one of the backfilling replicas
[15:26] <lxo> I've now bumped min_size down from 2 to 1, and there seems to be signs of life in the cephfs again ;-)
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[15:30] <lxo> I'm a bit surprised the primary won't replicate objects out-of-order to backfilling replicas, though. this would help responsiveness during recovery.
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[17:08] <scheuk> question about radosgw, I am trying to uplaod a 5GB file, and radosgw is loging a HTTP 400 EntityTooLarge, is there a size limit in rados/radosgw (I am running ceph 0.48.3)
[17:12] <sagewk> scheuk: are you on i386 or x86_64? iirc there was a bug on 32-bit archs there..
[17:12] <scheuk> 64bit
[17:12] <scheuk> x86-64
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[17:14] <sagewk> scheuk: are you doing a multipart upload?
[17:15] <sagewk> (that's required for large objects)
[17:15] <mattch> does ceph.conf need to be laid out 'properly nested' - i.e do I need to do [mon] then [mon.0] etc then [osd] then [osd.0] etc or can they be stuck in wherever?
[17:17] <scheuk> sagewk: probably not, I used cyberduck to upload the file, I'll verify if that is doing a multipart upload
[17:17] <sagewk> mattch: nope
[17:17] <sagewk> mattch: only create the sections you want/need
[17:17] <sagewk> scheuk: that should do the right thing, then. are you using apache2?
[17:17] <sagewk> and our modified mod_Fastcgi?
[17:18] <gregaf> scheuk: in particular 5GB is the limit for an object size (S3 protocol specifies that) so your file might be sized a little too large, or maybe there's an off-by-one error somewhere (but I believe we have tests that check that, so probably not)
[17:19] <mattch> sagewk: which of the 2 options was the nope to? :) (I'm playing with a config mgmt system where I can't guarantee any order to the resulting sections in the config file)
[17:19] <sagewk> order doesn't matter
[17:19] <sagewk> and sections can be missing
[17:19] <sagewk> the only time a section has to exist is if you want to tell /etc/init.d/ceph that a daemon instance exists (in which case you need [osd.NNN] section and a host = ... line in it)
[17:19] <mattch> sagewk: Thanks - I knew about missing sections - was just checking that the hierarchy in the file wasn't important
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[18:06] <Psi-jack> Hmmm, now where's Florian Haas when ya need him? LOL
[18:10] <Psi-jack> This is a remarkably thin client layer at just 17,000 LOC (compare to GFS2 at 26,000 and OCFS2 at 68,000). <-- That LOC, does it mean Levels of Complexity by chance?
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[18:16] <gregaf> Psi-jack: Lines Of Code
[18:16] <Psi-jack> Ohhhh
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[18:16] <Psi-jack> okay, that makes a LOT of sense now! :)
[18:16] <gregaf> is that ceph-fuse he's talking about?
[18:17] <Psi-jack> Ceph (the filesystem), so yes.
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[18:21] <Psi-jack> I'm mostly trying to get ahold of fghaas to see if he has those VM images available somewhere that he used on his slides for https://github.com/fghaas/lca2013
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[18:31] <gregaf> Psi-jack: they were hosted on the linux.conf.au site at one point
[18:32] <gregaf> you could check Florian's public Google+ posts; the link was there
[18:32] <gregaf> or possibly in his hastexo blog
[18:35] <sjust> loicd: looking
[18:35] <loicd> sjust: thanks !
[18:35] <sjust> sure, thanks for the tests!
[18:36] <sjust> sorry I didn't get to it yesterday
[18:36] <loicd> np :-)
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[18:39] <loicd> It's getting late here in France : I need to leave the office. But I'll read your comments this evening, if you have any sjust.
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[18:48] <gregaf> sagewk: sjust: can one of you throw me an ack on this so I can just put it in master? http://pastebin.com/M01sGFuv
[18:49] <sjust> slow pastebin is slow
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[18:49] <sjust> really?
[18:49] <sjust> you pastebined a diff?
[18:49] <sjust> ok
[18:49] <sjust> ack
[18:49] <gregaf> *shrug*
[18:49] <sagewk> slow slow
[18:49] <sagewk> fpaste.org!
[18:50] <gregaf> I'll keep that in mind for the future
[18:50] <gregaf> it was plenty fast for me :(
[18:50] <slang> gregaf: that just papers around the issue, doesn't it?
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[18:51] <sjust> slang: in a way, but it seems appropriate that mark down all could be used with a null connection
[18:51] <gregaf> slang: no; the Connection* was never initiailzed because it was a replayed Session that never was actually communicating with the client
[18:51] <slang> gregaf: the connection shouldn't be getting marked down twice
[18:51] <gregaf> I was wrong about that guess
[18:52] <gregaf> (that would have manifested differently; I forgot it was actually a NULL pointer)
[18:52] <slang> gregaf: why don't we see that more frequently when we restart the mds?
[18:53] <gregaf> because it only happens if the client doesn't reconnect before the MDS marks it down for being stale
[18:53] <gregaf> and apparently we don't have any tests which do this
[18:53] <sagewk> shouldn't the caller just do an if (con) ... ?
[18:53] <gregaf> also this bug's only been in the code base for about two weeks
[18:53] <slang> gregaf: yeah - I guess not
[18:53] <sagewk> aside from making the caller look buggy, this changes seems fine.
[18:53] <gregaf> sagewk: it could, I was trying to figure out which was most appropriate and it seemed more elegant to do it in the messenger (though a lot of users do so)
[18:53] <gregaf> it's analagous to what the addr-based mark_down does, though
[18:54] <sagewk> a reader in teh calling code may assume that con is always non-NULL
[18:54] <gregaf> well the msgr documentation now specifies that it isn't the case; I guess we can do it the other way around if it seems important
[18:55] <gregaf> but I have trouble imagining how this could mask real bugs instead of NULL-checking bugs
[18:55] <sagewk> yep
[18:55] <gregaf> shoot, I've forgotten the magic flag to git-show that lets me know what tags the commit is in
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[18:57] <sagewk> git [tag|branch] --contains <sha1>
[18:58] <Psi-jack> gregaf: Poifect! I found it thanks to his G+ posting, with links to all the qcow2 disks and all.
[18:58] <gregaf> thanks sagewk
[18:58] <gregaf> don't need no backports then
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[19:10] <scheuk> @gregaf: the file I am trying to upload is a little larger than 5GB
[19:10] <scheuk> that would make sense that I am seeing that error
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[19:42] <Guest481> is there a procedure i can use to do a complete swap out of a new mon/mds server
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[19:42] <tchmnkyz> basically i have a old mon/mds server that died and i want to replace it
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[20:22] <gregaf> tchmnkyz-: depending on what you're able to do you can add the new one and remove the old one (if you have two other servers also running monitors) and it will do all the migration it needs
[20:27] <sagewk> dmick: https://github.com/ceph/ceph-deploy/pull/7
[20:32] <wido> sjust: I'll build the packages to test the fix for #4572
[20:33] <sjust> ok
[20:33] <wido> Didn't see the crash last couple of hours, when I started everything one by one
[20:33] <sjust> it would have been timing based
[20:34] <sjust> I think the longer an OSD is down, the more likely it would be to happen
[20:34] <sjust> and would require multiple OSDs in such a situation
[20:35] <wido> sjust: Ok, I'll try the fix anyway
[20:35] <wido> see if it all stays up
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[20:49] <sagewk> elder: there?
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[21:05] <josef> sagewk: do i need to update everybody to 56.4?
[21:05] * josef checks to see if that logrotate thing is fixed in 56.4
[21:06] <josef> nope
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[21:07] <sagewk> which logrotate thing?
[21:07] <sagewk> radosgw?
[21:07] <sagewk> josef:^
[21:08] <josef> d02340d90c9d30d44c962bea7171db3fe3bfba8e
[21:08] <josef> that
[21:08] <josef> i'm just throwing it into the rpm
[21:08] <sagewk> k
[21:08] <sagewk> i'll make sure it goes into .5 :)
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[21:08] <josef> thanks
[21:08] <josef> do you want me to update el6 to .4?
[21:08] <sagewk> that would be awesome, thanks!
[21:08] <josef> k
[21:09] <gregaf> does anybody ever answer "no" to that question?
[21:09] <sagewk> hah
[21:10] <josef> just making sure its really a stable version
[21:11] <josef> since apparently i shouldnt be pulling the latest and greatest in anywhere?
[21:12] <gregaf> well, the latest and greatest shouldn't be pulled into a stable repo as they get less release testing
[21:12] <gregaf> but these days it seems like if it has a point release it's a stable version, and those should be available ;)
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[23:38] <iBooter-us> You hate someone ? ibooter.us attack your targets now !
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