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IRC Log for 2013-03-09

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[0:09] <ShaunR> Whats the deal with 10GE, it's all the rage apparently but it's expensive as hell, seams like infiniband would be a most cost effective solution?
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[0:09] <jmlowe> it's ethernet
[0:09] <noob21> infiniband i think is cheaper on a per port basis
[0:10] <ShaunR> jmlowe: and?
[0:10] <noob21> at least it is against cisco stuff
[0:10] <jmlowe> there are shops where they won't buy anything that isn't ethernet, even if it isn't actually ethernet
[0:13] <gregaf> also it's definitely still cheaper than IB — I hear it's a lot easier to get deals on than IB stuff is, and the NICs especially are a lot cheaper anyway aren't they?
[0:16] <ShaunR> whats cheaper than infiniband, 10ge?
[0:17] <jmlowe> It's pretty hard to span campuses with infiniband
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[0:21] <mjevans> http://tracker.ceph.com/issues/4395 Documentation: how to pass qemu discard_granularity (to enable TRIM) from libvirt
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[0:23] <dmick> mjevans: looks useful, thanks
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[0:27] <mjevans> dmick: You're welcome. It's the very least I could do to save those who follow me the grief of finding the fragmented shards of diamond among the rough.
[0:29] <mjevans> Now if only there were a good alternative to libvirt; virtually everyone uses that, or something that costs money, or something that's absolutely massive scale (wants more infrastructure than the small buisness I'm at will probably ever have)...
[0:30] <iggy> kind of miss the bad old days of there being a wiki
[0:30] <iggy> but then I'm a sucker for instant gratification
[0:34] <joshd> github does have a web editing ui: https://github.com/ceph/ceph/edit/master/doc/rbd/libvirt.rst
[0:35] <ShaunR> mjevans: you could aways not use libvirt, i dont.
[0:36] <mjevans> ShaunR: You just use qemu directly?
[0:36] <ShaunR> ya
[0:37] * rturk is working on a replacement for the wiki
[0:37] <rturk> (coming soon)
[0:37] <mjevans> I think if this were a personal thing, or my own company (sort of the same but a bit different?) I probably would. However as I might be replaced by someone else eventually and since libvirt will hopefully eventually have easier ways of defining TRIM for guests I think I'll stick with this for now.
[0:50] <dmick> between "file a bug" and "github edit" there's always "github fork, local edit, push, make pull request", too
[0:50] <dmick> just to be complete
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[1:04] <noob21> does ceph's ods service implement erasure code under the hood?
[1:08] <mjevans> noob21: what kind of 'erasure' secure erase of somekind, something else?
[1:09] <noob21> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erasure_code
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[1:09] <mjevans> (I don't know my self, but clarifying would help others who might; and I'd assume that no, it does nothing for 'erasing' data in stripe files that are removed)
[1:09] <noob21> or this: https://github.com/datalab-bcn/glusterfs-ida
[1:09] <noob21> i believe it has to do with recovering information
[1:11] <mjevans> noob21: in data storage this is usually called other things. Often parity, sometimes error correction. Ceph presently supports raid1-n style duplication across backing OSDs (that is store to more than one OSD), IIRC it defaults to n=2 (mirroring).
[1:11] <noob21> yes i believe it does default to n=2
[1:12] <dmick> noob21: no, no erasure coding. just replication/mirroring.
[1:12] <gregaf> erasure coding is pretty prevalent among many circles actually; it's just that we're only starting to move past RAID
[1:12] <mjevans> I am unsure, but it is my belief that other forms of raid, such as raid5 or raid6 or something more exotic; are things considered to be properties of the underlying storage.
[1:13] <gregaf> (as an industry)
[1:13] <noob21> i see
[1:14] <mjevans> Performane on raid5/6 across multiple hosts would probably be either abysmal or absolutely dangerous.
[1:14] <noob21> yeah i think we're all starting to realize that raid is becoming a problem
[1:15] <mjevans> It's been a problem for a long time... ZFS and developmental features of BTRFS are temporary solutions
[1:17] <noob21> right
[1:18] <noob21> i'm hoping that btrfs moves along quickly
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[1:19] <mjevans> Me too; BTW, don't use anything < Linux 3.8 or that one patch (findable via the Ubuntu bug report linked from a bug entry in ceph's tracker) that fixes corruption in sparse files/holetrimmed files
[1:20] <noob21> good to know
[1:23] <mjevans> The wording could have been a little more clear on that; make sure you're using >= Linux 3.8 or that one important btrfs patch
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[3:28] <janos> playing with ceph-fuse for the first time. i'm confused - so used to thinking about pools, but i see not -p flag for ceph-fuse
[3:28] <janos> also, getting FAR better speed from a fuse mount exported via samba than i am with rbd exported via smaba
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[3:29] <gregaf> you're probably just hitting extra caching with the fuse mount that you don't have with rbd (though maybe not)
[3:29] <janos> i'
[3:29] <janos> i'm not sure why my rbd perf is so bad
[3:29] <gregaf> and the filesystem can span multiple pools so you don't mount a pool, but the hierarchy might say "all data in this subtree goes to this pool"
[3:30] <janos> the pool-less feel ofit is bugging me
[3:30] <janos> i might get over it ;)
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[3:37] <janos> ah strange. how does fuse determine how much space it has? this fuse mount only says it has about 21GB (?) when exported through samba
[3:38] <janos> mean while my 3TB rbd mounts report fine
[3:38] <gregaf> the real space available is fine
[3:38] <gregaf> let me find the bug
[3:39] <gregaf> http://tracker.ceph.com/issues/3793
[3:39] <gregaf> and http://tracker.ceph.com/issues/37934
[3:40] <gregaf> *http://tracker.ceph.com/issues/3794
[3:40] * janos looks
[3:40] <janos> ah party
[3:40] <janos> i'll shelve this for now and come back i think
[3:41] <gregaf> :)
[3:41] <janos> just need to figure out my bad rbd speeds when exported
[3:41] <janos> more tests!
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[4:00] <Kioob> Hi
[4:01] <Kioob> is it �normal� that an OSD doesn't use the same port on �public� and �private� clusters ?
[4:01] <Kioob> because it seems to confuse clients : I have a lot of �wrong node� in logs
[4:02] <Kioob> → connect claims to be 192.168.42.2:6806/26527 not 192.168.42.2:6806/21648 - wrong node!
[4:02] <Kioob> and :
[4:03] <Kioob> tcp 0 0 192.168.42.2:6812 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 26529/ceph-osd
[4:03] <Kioob> tcp 0 0 10.0.0.2:6812 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 20507/ceph-osd
[4:03] <Kioob> tcp 0 0 192.168.42.2:6806 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 26529/ceph-osd
[4:06] <dmick> ip:port are independent on the multiple networks, yes
[4:06] <dmick> but that message is warning you about the same ip and port
[4:07] <Kioob> ok dmick
[4:07] <dmick> usually that's "someone died, and I haven't yet heard about it"
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[4:07] <dmick> the number after the slash is the "nonce", which is more or less a serial number of connections
[4:07] <dmick> so there used to be someone at 192.168.42.2:6806/26527
[4:08] <dmick> sorry, used to be at /21648....but apparently they died, because now I'm connecting to 192.168.42.2:6806 again, but this time he claims his nonce is 26527
[4:09] <Kioob> it's strange, I haven't seen any osd restart
[4:09] <dmick> same ip and port, but different serial number
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[4:09] <dmick> if none of the ones on 192.168.42.2 did, that's strange all right
[4:09] <elder> dmick is there anyone still around the office that could recommend a good, known working, teuthology test of ceph fs?
[4:10] <elder> I'm looking for general exercise of functionality, not necessarily performance (but stress is fine).
[4:10] <dmick> my best call would be joshd1
[4:10] <elder> Is he there?
[4:10] <elder> joshd1, are you there joshd?
[4:10] <dmick> there is a josh-shaped object near me
[4:11] <elder> Is its shape remaining relatively stable? Any sheen or other anomalous artifacts?
[4:11] <Kioob> in fact that OSD restart, 4 hours ago. It can be the problem ?
[4:11] <dmick> "unremarkable"
[4:11] <elder> That was my nickname in high school.
[4:11] <dmick> Kioob: are the messages from four hours ago?
[4:12] <Kioob> I have that messages now
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[4:13] <Kioob> mmm you're right, I have messages in logs since 4 hours
[4:13] <joshd> elder: I guess I'd recommend using bobtail, and a simple test like the kernel untar build workunit
[4:14] <Kioob> but it still not fixed after 4 hours :S
[4:14] <joshd> elder: https://github.com/ceph/ceph-qa-suite/blob/master/suites/kernel/cephfs/tasks/kclient_workunit_kernel_untar_build.yaml
[4:14] <dmick> Kioob: yeah, that's odd.
[4:15] <dmick> if you grep for the 'old' entity address (that's ip:port/nonce), does it stop four hours ago (except for the warnings)?
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[4:19] <Kioob> if I do a grep /21648 in logs on all osd from 192.168.42.2, I see �wrong node� errors, �fault�, �peer reset�, �reader got old message�
[4:19] <elder> thanks joshd
[4:19] <Kioob> all errors start and stop 4 hours ago, except the �wrong node� which continue
[4:21] <dmick> hm. so it seems like something's not allowing the map update to propagate correctly
[4:21] <Kioob> then, if it's a map update problem, I have an other "strange" problem
[4:22] <Kioob> I switch to �per osd redundancy� to �per network�. And now, on an host I have OSD with 25% usage and an other with 86%
[4:23] <Kioob> the data are no longer "equitably" dispatch
[4:23] <Kioob> don't now if it's related
[4:26] <Kioob> → I restart one of the client OSD, which was reporting that «wrong node» error, and now it's ok for him
[4:26] <dmick> yeah, restarting will fix it
[4:26] <Kioob> should I do same thing for others ?
[4:26] <dmick> the question is why is it happening; seems like it's got to be a bug
[4:27] <Kioob> ok
[4:27] <Kioob> can I help identify that ?
[4:27] <Kioob> (all instances are 0.56.3)
[4:28] <dmick> I don't know enough about the mechanisms to know what to look for
[4:28] <dmick> let me check bugs
[4:29] <dmick> http://tracker.ceph.com/issues/4006 is still open
[4:30] <Kioob> What I did : 4 hours ago, I tried to change ruleset (5). As it throw a lot of backfilling, production was down, so I switch again to the default ruleset (2). And 30 minutes ago, I switch to the first ruleset (5).
[4:31] <Kioob> ok thanks dmick
[4:31] <Kioob> so for now I will restart that nodes
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[6:32] <nz_monkey_> nhm: Hi Mark, I just noticed Wolfgang's post on ceph-users about jumping cursor/time loss in VM's stored on RBD with QEMU/KVM. Just wanted to let you know we too are seeing the same problem, so it may be a "feature" of this sort of configuration.
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[7:09] <iggy> nz_monkey_: do you have the ability to test a VM with it's rootfs on a local image and some other connected rbds?
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[11:13] <lkeijser> hi, I'm trying to unmap a mapped rbd and get an error: /dev/rbd/20-cust-b/20-cust-b-01 is not an rbd device
[11:18] <lkeijser> what is weird, is that rbd showmapped shows a different rbd device than the one under /dev/rbd/
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[11:29] <lkeijser> don't know if anyone here is actually listening, but here is the showmapped output and ls on /dev/rbd: http://dpaste.com/1017108/
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[12:23] <Gugge-47527> I get these errors in dmesg, and ceph-osd.3.log, what is it trying to tell me? http://paste2.org/p/3092188
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