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IRC Log for 2012-12-22

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[0:00] <slang> fmarchand: yeah the samba server/ceph client
[0:00] <fmarchand> mmmm ubuntu 12.04/10 I think
[0:01] <sstan> slang : it's new ? I see old files.
[0:02] <slang> fmarchand: http://gitbuilder.ceph.com/samba-deb-precise-x86_64-basic/ref/ceph/
[0:02] <slang> you can try that deb
[0:02] <slang> please keep in mind this is only just now started to be tested
[0:02] <fmarchand> oh sorry slang the samba server will be on a windows 3.1 :)
[0:03] <slang> fmarchand: you are my guinea pig :-)
[0:03] <slang> fmarchand: oh
[0:03] <slang> fmarchand: how were you planning on using it over ceph then
[0:03] <slang> ?
[0:03] <sstan> the samba server should be on the same machines that run a Ceph client ...
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[0:04] <slang> sstan: its a clone of the samba repo with the ceph module added
[0:05] <sstan> I see. But since we have FUSE, isn't it easier to just use FUSE??
[0:05] <fmarchand> slang : :) I don't even remember what it looks like ...
[0:05] <sstan> I wasn't even born ...
[0:05] <slang> sstan: you can use fuse - this avoids the roundtrip from userspace to kernel and back
[0:06] <fmarchand> sstan : fuse is a bit more complicated to configure no ? I'm more familiar withh samba ...
[0:06] <slang> sstan: but yeah, if you're looking for something stable, use fuse
[0:06] <sstan> exactly ... so I'd use FUSE and then start the samba server... If I needed to
[0:06] <sstan> using fuse requires only one command ...
[0:08] <sstan> slang : I'm curious; what's the point of a module then?
[0:08] <sstan> (.. for samba)
[0:08] <slang> sstan: it bypasses the roundtrip through the kernel, like I said
[0:09] <slang> sstan: it also avoids whatever other fuse specific performance bottlenecks exist
[0:09] <slang> sstan: doing lookup/getattr multiple times, etc..
[0:10] <sstan> slang: dmick said "the upside [to using FUSE] is, since you're not going through the kernel, you gain some performance"
[0:11] <sstan> maybe I misunderstood something, but isn't that in contradiction with what you said?
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[0:12] <slang> sstan: I think that was in a completely different context
[0:12] <sstan> we were comparing RBD blocks with FUSE I think
[0:13] <sjust> sstan: I think he meant that using the samba module avoids the fuse roundtrip through the kernel
[0:13] <sstan> we were talking about weather we should run OSDs and CLIENTS on the same machine (exit samba)
[0:13] <sstan> the conclusion is : no if it's rbd blocks (rbd module) ... but YES with fuse
[0:13] <sstan> because :(see the quote)
[0:14] <slang> sstan: yeah that's a different context
[0:14] <slang> sstan: both statements are true :-)
[0:14] <sstan> 0.0
[0:15] <sstan> so both the rbd module AND FUSE interact with the Kernel
[0:15] <sstan> but dmick makes a distinction that, perhaps, I didn't understand
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[0:23] <sstan> slang : but anyways , I see the interest, thanks for the information
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[0:23] <fmarchand> slang, sstan, dmick janos : thx a lot for your patience ! I'm gonna try the rbd ! Now I have a better picture of what I have to do !
[0:24] <sstan> all right ! good luck
[0:25] <sstan> I have to go, TTYL
[0:25] * slang waves
[0:29] <fmarchand> gn sstan !
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[0:42] <dmick> fmarchand: you're welcome, and good luck
[0:43] <dmick> sstan: my distinction was about using rbd (kernel driver vs. userland)
[0:43] <fmarchand> thx :)
[0:43] <dmick> wasn't talking to cephfs or samba
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[0:59] <fmarchand> I'm back for a little question : is bobtail in the ubuntu 12.04 stable release repository ?
[1:00] <fmarchand> bobtail is not a stable release yet ? it's a dev release ... ?
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[1:04] <dmick> bobtail is being worked on right now; not yet released
[1:05] <dmick> it's the next stable release of Ceph, so definitely won't be in 12.04, no
[1:05] <dmick> you should get the Ceph packages from the ceph distribution site
[1:05] <Aiken> fmarchand, I had been playing with a 12.10 system and I think it had 0.48
[1:05] <dmick> http://ceph.com/docs/master/install/debian/
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[1:24] <fmarchand> oki
[1:27] <fmarchand> dmick : if I ask to create a 600GB block device then if the replica is 3 then It will take 1.8GB in my cluster ? that makes sense ?
[1:27] <fmarchand> block device image
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[1:32] <dmick> fmarchand: yes, basically, for a fully-populated image. The images are thinly-provisioned...that is, the space isn't actually used until written to
[1:32] <fmarchand> oki doki :) let's try it
[1:32] <fmarchand> thx
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[2:54] <fmarchand> oki last step : I'm trying to use ceph-fuse but it seems that I miss something
[2:54] <fmarchand> it says starting client .... and that's it
[2:54] <fmarchand> is it normal ?
[3:00] <iggy> why are you trying to use ceph-fuse?
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[3:09] <fmarchand> I have a ceph cluster and I want to mount the block device using fuse from a client
[3:09] <fmarchand> I copied the ceph.conf and ceph.keyring to the client
[3:10] <fmarchand> but ceph-fuse does not display the "starting fuse" line ... only "starting client"
[3:15] <fmarchand> iggy : do I need to configure something on my cluster machine to accept fuse connection ?
[3:25] <iggy> fmarchand: you don't mount rbd volumes with ceph-fuse
[3:25] <iggy> ceph-fuse is for the filesystem
[3:26] <fmarchand> so I need to mount it in my cluster and access it through fuse ?
[3:27] <iggy> fuse is for cephfs, not rbd
[3:28] <iggy> if you are just using rbd, ignore the fact that ceph-fuse even exists (in fact you probably want to do that anyway)
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[3:30] <fmarchand> so what should I do to access from another machine ?
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[3:42] <dmick> how do you want to access it?
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[4:33] <yeukhon> can ceph manage file lifetime? e.g for scientifc stuff, we have cluster of machines. but we don't always run the same job on the same machine. so we need to learn the closest machine to get data from, and also manage how long those cache files will exist on the machine. possible? or ceph is different?
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[5:18] <iggy> yeukhon: no
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[14:08] <nhm> good morning #ceph
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[18:17] <CloudGuy> hi
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