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IRC Log for 2012-11-10

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[0:10] <benpol> So is placement group "splitting" the intended resolution for the current "fixed number of pgs in a pool" issue?
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[0:16] <joshd> benpol: yes
[0:16] <benpol> ..and when splitting is enabled will it be triggered with a command like "cph osd pool set rbd pg_numb XXX" ?
[0:17] <joshd> I think it will be manual like that at first, although the goal is to automate it eventually
[0:17] <benpol> Until then is the current workaround to just create a new pool with the desired number of pgs and then migrate data into the new pool?
[0:18] <joshd> yeah, or use more than one pool at once, which isn't quite as good for data distribution
[0:19] <benpol> joshd: ok, thanks
[0:20] <benpol> joshd: I don't see the word "split" on the roadmap, any idea when it might become available?
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[0:20] <benpol> aside from "when it's ready" ;)
[0:21] <joshd> heh
[0:21] <joshd> it's the next big osd project afaik after bobtail, so I think it's slated for a few releases after that
[0:22] <benpol> thanks, good to know
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[1:11] <sjust> benpol: I am just now checking back out the split branch I shelved a few weeks ago!
[1:12] <benpol> sjust: rock on man
[1:12] <benpol> you guys realize you're working on one of the cooler pieces of software out there, right?
[1:14] <rweeks> we do, actually
[1:15] <pedahzur> Distributed object store, auto-failover, infinite scalability....wheeeeeee!
[1:19] <dmick> and it tastes of nature's bounty
[1:19] <dmick> and leaves a sparkling shine on your kitchen counter and appliances
[1:19] <rweeks> it's so round, so firm, so fully packed?
[1:19] <dmick> ITMFDS
[1:21] * benpol snickers
[1:21] <pedahzur> dmick: That's a new one...care to enlighten? :)
[1:21] <dmick> rweeks was quoting Lucky Striek
[1:21] <dmick> Strike
[1:21] <pedahzur> inside joke?
[1:21] <dmick> they had LSMFT on the side: Lucky Strike Makes Fine Tobacco
[1:22] <rweeks> old old old tobacco advertisment
[1:22] <pedahzur> ah
[1:22] <dmick> rweeks watches Mad Men, I'm betting
[1:22] <rweeks> actually I have not seen it yet
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[1:22] <rweeks> it is on my list of things to watch eventually
[1:22] <rweeks> but I _have_ seen old TV episodes with that advertisement
[1:23] <dmick> so anyway
[1:23] <dmick> InkTank...
[1:23] <rweeks> I hear it's nice.
[1:23] <pedahzur> That's what I hear too.
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[1:24] <rweeks> speaking of, it's time for Inktank happy hour.
[1:24] <rweeks> :)
[1:25] * rweeks wanders down to Lily Macs
[1:25] <sjust> we have a happy hour?
[1:25] <rweeks> we do in Sunnyvale
[1:26] <sjust> nice
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[1:26] <dmick> sjust: in LA we don't have to leave the office :)
[1:26] <sjust> that's true, we have the dev bar
[1:26] <sjust> /dev/bar?
[1:27] <dmick> dd if=/dev/bar bs=4oz count=1
[1:27] <sjust> of=/dev/dmick?
[1:27] <dmick> stdout was assumed
[1:27] <Meyer___> dd if=/dev/clue of=/dev/drunk bs=1k count=31337
[1:27] <Meyer___> but once again, i am just a stupid swede
[1:28] <Meyer___> dont listen to me
[1:28] <dmick> if only one could just inject clues into drunks
[1:28] <dmick> generally one has to observe the timeout there
[1:28] <pedahzur> dmick: dd if=/dev/tequila bs=4oz count=1
[1:28] <dmick> /dev/bar includes several different content types
[1:29] <pedahzur> dmick: Hmm...yeah...but how to you specify in a dd command?
[1:29] <sjust> /dev/bar/tequila
[1:29] <dmick> one of them, in fact, is a nice little aƱejo
[1:29] <pedahzur> dmick: /dev/bar/tequlia?
[1:29] <pedahzur> Right.
[1:29] <Meyer___> It is a hard thing
[1:29] <dmick> iflag=agave
[1:29] <Meyer___> we would need to..
[1:29] <Meyer___> oh, dmick got it
[1:32] <dmick> dammit rweeks has made me thirsty now
[1:33] <jefferai> hey guys, anyone willing to help me out with getting openstack working nicely with ceph?
[1:33] <jefferai> :-)
[1:33] <jefferai> I followed instructions to the T
[1:33] <jefferai> but something isn't right
[1:34] <joshd> jefferai: what's going wrong, and are you using cephx?
[1:34] <dmick> question 1: are you using cephx JINX
[1:34] <jefferai> when I run the command in the installation guide to verify glance image service is working (glance image-create....) then it just hangs
[1:34] <jefferai> yes, using cephx
[1:34] <jefferai> keys are distributed
[1:34] <jefferai> owned by the glance user
[1:34] <dmick> ok joshd it's all yours
[1:34] <jefferai> I know glance works because if I change it to a file backend all is well
[1:35] <joshd> hanging usually indicates a problem connecting
[1:35] <jefferai> maybe, although ceph -s on the box is fine
[1:35] <joshd> does the glance-api log show anything rbd-related?
[1:36] <jefferai> http://paste.kde.org/601148/
[1:37] <joshd> well, that shows it getting to upload and nothing afterwards
[1:37] <jefferai> part of "ceph auth list" : http://paste.kde.org/601160/
[1:38] <joshd> do client.volumes and client.images have no caps?
[1:38] <jefferai> apparently not
[1:38] <joshd> that would do it
[1:38] <jefferai> but if so they were created that way
[1:38] <jefferai> "ceph auth get-or-create client.images"
[1:38] <jefferai> that's how that got created
[1:38] <jefferai> as in http://ceph.com/docs/master/rbd/rbd-openstack/
[1:39] <joshd> with " mon 'allow r' osd 'allow rwx pool=images'" at the end of that, right?
[1:39] <joshd> err, without the =
[1:39] <jefferai> Nope
[1:39] <jefferai> not on that page
[1:39] <jefferai> at least
[1:40] <jefferai> see for yourself...
[1:40] <joshd> it's showing up for me...
[1:40] <jefferai> oh, doh
[1:40] <jefferai> that's in the previous section
[1:40] <joshd> ah
[1:40] <Meyer___> hey
[1:40] <Meyer___> spotify:track:0osPX8TruIebOhKuG6GK8C
[1:41] <jefferai> totally missed it
[1:41] <joshd> also it should be "mon 'allow r' osd 'allow rwx pool images'" for 0.53
[1:41] <vhasi> Meyer___: srsly dude, go to bed already
[1:42] <joshd> some cap parsing stuff only got partially included, accidentally breaking 'pool=foo'. it's fixed for 0.54
[1:42] <jefferai> okay
[1:42] <Meyer___> vhasi: Well. Good advice
[1:42] <jefferai> another question: any reason I can't use the same pool for both?
[1:42] <joshd> jefferai: you can just 'ceph auth del client.images', and re-create it
[1:42] <jefferai> looks like I should be able to "ceph auth caps"
[1:43] <jefferai> unsurprisingly, that fixed it
[1:43] <jefferai> :-)
[1:43] <joshd> cool
[1:43] <jefferai> thing is, I already had a pool set up
[1:43] <joshd> there's no reason you can't use the same for both
[1:43] <jefferai> so I totally skipped that section
[1:43] <jefferai> and went straight to configuring the clients
[1:44] <joshd> yeah, that should probably be moved down to the client config section
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[1:58] <jefferai> joshd: just to check, because the openstack docs are not very helpful here: openstack + rbd supports live migration between compute nodes, right?
[1:58] <jefferai> not configuring it yet, just want to make sure I don't need to set up iscsi/nfs/some such thing
[1:59] <joshd> rbd does, but I think openstack live migration will still try to detach/reattach all volumes
[1:59] <jefferai> huh
[1:59] <jefferai> that's not necessarily a problem is it?
[2:00] <jefferai> because it will stop the instance on one node, detach volumes, attach on the other node, start up again?
[2:00] <joshd> it might work in some cases, I haven't tested it much myself
[2:01] <jefferai> Ah.
[2:01] <jefferai> Huh. I do hope I don't need to end up setting up rbd -> iscsi exports just to do migration :-(
[2:01] <joshd> but I'd expect the guest to get confused when its disks disappear from under active filesystems
[2:01] <jefferai> if the guest is running
[2:02] <jefferai> Ideally I guess the guest would be paused before that happened
[2:02] <jefferai> since you'd need the state of the volume to be consistent across the nodes anyways
[2:02] <joshd> well the new guest doesn't start doing i/o until the migration is finished
[2:02] <jefferai> right, so ideally openstack migration on RBD would just basically be instant
[2:03] <joshd> yeah, to transfer the memory contents
[2:03] <jefferai> I guess I'll find out...Folsom made a lot of noise about its RBD integration, so one would hope they sorted out migration as part of that
[2:03] <joshd> I've done it plenty with plain libvirt
[2:03] <jefferai> right
[2:03] <jefferai> if libvirt can do it, openstack just needs to delegate that activity to libvirt
[2:03] <jefferai> maybe it does
[2:05] <joshd> iirc openstack 'live migration' wasn't even using the right libvirt flags to do a truly live migration anyway, so it may do some kind of pause and continue already, I'm not sure
[2:05] <jefferai> ah
[2:05] <joshd> it was a configurable for which flags to use too
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[6:31] <phantomcircuit> how do i add another osd to a cluster?
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[8:17] <s_parlane> phantomcircuit: http://ceph.com/docs/master/cluster-ops/add-or-rm-osds/#adding-osds
[8:18] <s_parlane> i can explain any steps you want/need
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[20:17] <d3llf> hello; in ceph documentation there is info, that cephfs should not be mounted from cluster itself, but i can't find detailed description why i should not do that?
[20:18] <joao> iirc, you should not mount it on the same machines as the osds, as it you could incur in troubles with loops withing the kernel's cache
[20:20] <d3llf> i found on irc archive some references to nfs, but AFAIK this problem has been resolved - this is probably related: https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/663481/
[20:20] <joao> would not be able to say, really
[20:20] <d3llf> is this something that will be resolved in some future?
[20:21] <joao> don't know either, and the people that would probably be able to give you the answers you're looking for are certainly enjoying their weekend away ;)
[20:21] <joao> you could always try the mailing list
[20:22] <joao> or hang around and see if someone else more informed on that matter pops up
[20:22] <d3llf> sure, thanks - till now i've only managed to read irc logs ; i'll try to break few things myself at first, then look for similar problems
[20:23] <d3llf> one more thing - is there any description on production implementation of rbd?
[20:25] <d3llf> google is not very talkative at this (;
[20:25] <joao> right, I don't think so
[20:26] <joao> at least none that crosses my mind at the moment
[20:38] <d3llf> oh, also i have noticed, that ceph does not check if osd's are created on one partition - if they are, ceph reported space is double and it should not be. i suspect when i will try to add some data, it will be also doubled
[20:39] <joao> I'm not sure what you mean, but osds will take their infos from their underlying fs
[20:40] <joao> it's usually advised to have one osd per disk, but you can have an osd running on a partition or even a directory
[20:40] <d3llf> joao: i know about recommendations - i just have created one partition before getting to this
[20:41] <joao> oh, so I definitely didn't get what you meant :)
[20:41] <d3llf> i'll show you in a sec ...
[20:42] <joao> kay
[20:46] <d3llf> http://pastebin.com/P0Ryc6Jg
[20:46] <d3llf> /var/lib/ceph is 20g partition
[20:47] <d3llf> s/partition/disk
[20:47] <joao> and your replication is set to 2?
[20:48] <d3llf> how can i check this?
[20:48] <d3llf> i just started hands on ceph ;)
[20:48] <joao> ceph osd dump (I think)
[20:48] <joao> there will be a 'data' pool and somewhere a 'rep' or 'replication' field
[20:48] <d3llf> rep size 2
[20:49] <joao> yeah, well, then I guess you were right
[20:49] <joao> I just find it odd
[20:49] <joao> I must have misread the osd's code
[20:51] <d3llf> ok i have loopbacked, and everything is working ;]
[20:51] <joao> yeah, I think the problems are with rbd anyway, but am not even sure about that
[20:53] <joao> d3llf, are your two osds 20GB in size each?
[20:54] <d3llf> can i define osd size - i thought it's being defined by size of underlying partition ...
[20:54] <joao> yeah, that's what I mean; each partition
[20:54] <d3llf> osd's are on same partition
[20:54] <joao> sorry for the confusion :)
[20:54] <joao> oh
[20:54] <joao> different directories then?
[20:55] <d3llf> yes, var/lib/ceph/osd/osd-{1,2}
[20:55] <joao> yeah, makes sense; I just never realized before this total disk size mismatch
[20:55] <joao> and was digging trying to figure out why it was reporting 40GB instead of 20GB
[20:56] <joao> well, will have to look into it later on; have to get ready to go out have dinner
[20:56] <joao> bbl
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[21:17] <d3llf> joao: about production implementations - dreamhost has built dreamobjects on ceph
[21:18] <d3llf> it's on inktank webpage
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[21:22] <d3llf> also bmw has deployed ceph for their lab infrastructure
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[21:37] <joao> d3llf, I thought you were looking for implementation details
[21:38] <joao> yeah, DH's is probably the biggest ceph deploy we know of to date
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[22:42] <d3llf> osd crush set weight how does impact on osd? how does it change how data is placed?
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