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IRC Log for 2011-01-19

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[0:25] <Tv|work> libvirt needs cow support soo bad :-/
[0:25] <Tv|work> the kind of cow where you don't need to promise to never mutate the base image
[0:31] <cmccabe> tv: the qcow2 image format supports copy-on-write, but there are other image formats that don't
[0:32] <cmccabe> tv: I guess if they did add an API it would only work for some configurations
[0:32] <cmccabe> tv: I'm not sure what their philsophy is about stuff like that
[0:49] <Tv|work> cmccabe: qcow2 still requires you make the base image holy; it was no provision for cow when the parent changes
[0:51] <cmccabe> tv: I'm a little bit embarassed to admit this, but in the past I've always just used the raw format so that I can loopback mount the image
[0:55] <cmccabe> tv: I suppose you could always use btrfs :)
[0:56] <cmccabe> tv: to do cow at the filesystem level
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[2:17] <Tv|work> whee autotest stuff working
[2:17] <Tv|work> next up, pile more vms and see how it allocates them
[2:26] <cmccabe> :)
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[11:10] <stingray> huh huh
[11:34] <jantje> hi !
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[11:40] <stingray> jantje:
[11:40] <stingray> how's going
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[14:46] <jantje> stingray: good, i'm currently in the process of creating 5x2OSD nodes + 1xMDS+MON
[14:46] <jantje> (and 4 clients)
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[17:49] <wido> jantje: 5x20 OSD's? 5 machines with 20 OSD's? So 100 in total?
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[17:59] <darkfader> i tihnk it was 5x2
[17:59] <darkfader> and the "O" from OSD
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[18:32] <wido> darkfader: Oh, yes...
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[18:59] <darkfader> do you know how often the testing/unstable .debs are updated?
[18:59] <sagewk> when i randomly need one and do it.
[18:59] <darkfader> because i always got old stuff when i tried the apt sources
[18:59] <darkfader> ah
[18:59] <Tv|work> yet one thing on my todo list ;)
[18:59] <darkfader> sagewk: would you mind if i change the wiki text to something closer to that?
[19:00] <sagewk> hope to set up nightly autobuilds of the packages on all branches of interest soon...
[19:00] <sagewk> yeah go for it
[19:00] <darkfader> sagewk: i would enjoy helping to set up the autobuilds
[19:00] <darkfader> at least one can do that in ksh
[19:00] <Tv|work> gitbuilder looks pretty good for any kind of "for all the branches and tags" logic, btw
[19:01] <darkfader> oooh sounds fancy
[19:01] <darkfader> but over my head probably ;)
[19:01] <darkfader> i also don't think it matters too much if the binaries are current, it was just misleading to read they are current if they're not
[19:01] <sagewk> currently i'm using the bash scripts in the root of ceph.git
[19:01] <darkfader> building isn't much of a problem
[19:02] <darkfader> so basically you just lack a cronjob? :)
[19:03] <Tv|work> if you give cron a job like that, now you have two problems
[19:04] <darkfader> Tv|work: you mean that there will be a broken distribution once it doesnt build? and it might incomplete?
[19:04] <sagewk> the main problem i have are with the sid pbuilder tarball getting out of sync (and sometimes being broken in the upstream repo)
[19:04] <Tv|work> cron has a tendency to cause things like runs in parallel
[19:04] <darkfader> well then let an admin look at it ;p
[19:05] <darkfader> if i may pun - coders handle servers the way admins code
[19:06] <Tv|work> well i have a background of both, so i'm as disgusted by either side being sloppy ;)
[19:06] <darkfader> hehehe
[19:06] <gregaf> I have to do admin stuff here sometimes
[19:06] <gregaf> it makes my head hurt
[19:06] <darkfader> we should save sage's time for something better anyway
[19:13] <darkfader> if i had vm's with i386+x64 and ubuntu+debian and 10.04-10.10 and lenny+squeeze would that be the needed combinations/
[19:13] <darkfader> i figure crosscompiling would not be too much fun
[19:14] <gregaf> darkfader: needed combinations for what?
[19:15] <darkfader> gregaf: for building all the funny .debs
[19:15] <darkfader> so that the apt sources from http://ceph.newdream.net/wiki/Debian would be current
[19:16] <gregaf> hmm, I'm not sure what .debs we actually build, but I think that would do it
[19:16] <gregaf> though we've had users running older versions of Ubuntu, and of course there's all the other packaging systems in use ;)
[19:17] <darkfader> <- oracle vm user, needing speciail oooooold versions
[19:17] <darkfader> err no, i wont really try running ceph on that :)
[19:19] <darkfader> Tv|work: did you already try gitbuilder?
[19:22] <stingray> does anyone here uses gerrit for something?
[19:22] <darkfader> i'll start trying to make a script that can tear up and down all the build vms. if i manage to do that i'll come back
[19:22] <stingray> s/something/anything/
[19:23] <gregaf> darkfader: sorry, tv's doing interviews now — we have QA candidates in today!
[19:23] <gregaf> I don't think he's tried it yet, though
[19:23] <darkfader> ah cool
[19:23] <darkfader> i read your discussion about the QA people one of the last days
[19:23] <darkfader> was interesting
[19:23] <gregaf> stingray: we've looked at using it but haven't put in the effort to do so yet
[19:23] <darkfader> ok i'll try to get a hold of him some time later. it would be best if i don't mess around with it on my own
[19:24] <gregaf> stingray: also, did Sage talk to you at all about your mds journal problem?
[19:24] <darkfader> bus factor and all that ;)
[19:34] <stingray> gregaf: no
[19:34] <stingray> gregaf: he didn't
[19:34] <gregaf> okay
[19:34] <gregaf> we spent some time looking at it yesterday
[19:35] <gregaf> and best we can tell the OSD lost some commits because there's a big hole where there shouldn't be :/
[19:35] <gregaf> we'd done some work in that area which apparently didn't get enough testing
[19:36] <stingray> gregaf: did it lost them out of order?
[19:37] <gregaf> no, they actually got lost — it isn't something I'm familiar with myself but sage did some refactoring and seems to have introduced a race
[19:37] <stingray> hm
[19:37] <gregaf> yeah :/
[19:37] <gregaf> anyway, we can hack together something to make your cluster come back up if you like
[19:38] <gregaf> just as a one-off, to make it skip the zeroed section
[19:38] <stingray> well, recovery from journal corruption could be nice in any case, no?
[19:39] <gregaf> yeah, and it's on our to-do list but it's not going to happen very quickly
[19:52] <bchrisman> How does ceph support sparse files/thin provisioning? In some basic testing, a sparse file on ceph reports the final offset of a file as its size (via du). I tested by creating a file, seeking to 1GB, and writing 1MB of roughly-random data. The actual storage used by ceph is small (definitely not 1GB), but a 'du' reports the file length rather than the size of the actual contents of the file.
[19:53] <Tv|work> darkfader: i have a gitbuilder for ceph running, will install it on a proper server in the coming days
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[20:03] <stingray> gregaf: I don't know. We can try skipping the damaged part and then see if anything else will appear, if that's useful for debugging
[20:03] <stingray> if it's too much work I'll just regenerate the cluster
[20:04] <gregaf> stingray: I think I've whipped up a simple fix but I need sage to get out of an interview as I'm not certain about one of the interfaces
[20:04] <gregaf> there is useful data after the zeroed portion though I'm not sure if it'll work or not
[20:04] <gregaf> though if you can regenerate the cluster that'll probably be safest in the long run
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[20:18] <stingray> ok
[20:18] <stingray> I'll do it tomorrow, I guess
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[20:47] <gregaf> stingray: if you want to try recovery, I think the patch at http://pastebin.com/qkwLyGSY should work for that
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[22:02] <wido> hi
[22:03] <wido> the btrfs bug I noticed (#715), should I report this at #btrfs?
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[22:29] <yehudasa> wido: about #727, can you try the patch in http://ceph.newdream.net/git/?p=ceph-client.git;a=patch;h=766fc43973b16f9becb6b7402b3e052dbb84adee?
[22:29] <yehudasa> wido: but you'll have to reboot that client machine
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[23:40] <bchrisman> Can't tell from the mailing lists… have subdirectory/folder quotas been implemented? And if so, are they supposed to be obeying the user.quota extended attribute such as setfattr -n user.quota -v 30 /fs0/quota_test_dir?
[23:41] <bchrisman> (with fs0 being a mounted ceph filesystem)
[23:41] <sagewk> no, and no.
[23:41] <sagewk> the recursive stats give you the accounting half, but not enforcement.
[23:41] <sagewk> the tcloud guys have some patches to add enforcement, but they're not upstream
[23:42] <bchrisman> ahh ok… thanks
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